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What do you do to ensure the models to be there?
Besides payment  , what steps do you take to make sure the model will show up? Any liability aggreements? I have a big shoot (non-pay) coming up involving agency models w/out the agencies. But it will bring some recognition. I just want to minimize the gamble. Thank you for any ideas. Dec 11 06 02:27 pm Link Dawnie wrote: abduct them the night before. Dec 11 06 02:28 pm Link Daniela V wrote: Good idea...I usually promise a few baggies of coke, but your way is much cheaper!! Dec 11 06 02:31 pm Link Ed Remington wrote: I'm all about saving money Dec 11 06 02:33 pm Link I send out at least one, usually two, confirmation emails with all the details I've/we've discussed and ask the model to reply Confirming Recepit of the email and that they'll be there as outlined in the email. I request they notify me of any cancellation at least 24 hours in advance. It works pretty well, but I still get the odd flake now and again. I just don't use or work with them in the future. My flake rate has been reduced a great deal. Cheers, Tim Dec 11 06 02:37 pm Link Dawnie wrote: you're kidding right? Dec 11 06 02:37 pm Link Daniela V wrote: LOL! Dec 11 06 02:38 pm Link Jphoto wrote: Umm...no. Serious question to professionals. Thanks. Dec 11 06 02:40 pm Link Tim Baker wrote: Thank you for the serious answer. Dec 11 06 02:40 pm Link Dawnie wrote: *smack* Dec 11 06 02:41 pm Link Dawnie wrote: *double smack* Dec 11 06 02:42 pm Link i was editing my answer....but the phone rang.... actually.....email AND call them 36 to 18 hours before...if you don't get a response right away, consider the shoot a dud.... ...... Dec 11 06 02:44 pm Link I would say: Check references. That should give you a good idea of what to expect. Dec 11 06 02:46 pm Link I try to stick to models with good references and also follow what's been suggested about follow up. The ones who are serious about their work take it seriously regardless if they do it for a living or do it for extra spending money. There are thousands of top notch models out there. Life's too short to chase down flakes! Dec 11 06 02:48 pm Link Daniela V wrote: Oooo, I've been meeting them pre-shoot & LoJacking them with an exploding bracelet. Dec 11 06 02:52 pm Link I check references from at least two former photographers and I also charge a $250 retainer - the models show up for their shoots Dec 11 06 02:53 pm Link SLE Photography wrote: True true. Never thought of that. Dec 11 06 02:54 pm Link Dawnie wrote: *tumbleweed rolls by* Dec 11 06 02:54 pm Link C R Photography wrote: lol Dec 11 06 02:54 pm Link Jphoto wrote: This is good advice. Tim Dec 11 06 02:54 pm Link KoolGirlieStuff wrote: I'm surprised you get girls to pay that. Dec 11 06 02:54 pm Link As I have mentioned is several other threads and still beleive it that we are at the mercy of the model. If she doesn't show then...so what? Unless there is a formal contract she is totally in control and the photographer is SOL. Just make phone calls ahead of time is about all I do and somtimes they still flake. Dec 11 06 03:00 pm Link Daniela V wrote: well that`s JUST the retainer.....not the full fee Dec 11 06 03:07 pm Link Ed Remington wrote: Thank you so. Your work is outstanding as well Dec 11 06 03:22 pm Link KoolGirlieStuff wrote: Sorry- I thought we were talking exclusively about TFCD shoots and that's why I said $250 was high. Dec 11 06 03:22 pm Link Daniela V wrote: I thought that as well since the OP stated it was a non-pay shoot. Dec 11 06 03:27 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: k. glad it wasn't just me Dec 11 06 03:28 pm Link Dawnie wrote: Few questions come up to help define the loss potential. Dec 11 06 03:28 pm Link Daniela V wrote: ohhhhh I didn`t see that - I didn`t have my reading glasses on, I thought this was just a general discussion ~ sorry bout that Dec 11 06 03:36 pm Link Dawnie wrote: Work with me. I love your work and always show up on time and ready to go. ;-) Dec 11 06 03:37 pm Link i tell them what the "vig" will be if they dont show up Dec 11 06 03:54 pm Link Promise hair, makeup, wardrobe... any or all of the above! A girl likes to be taken care of! Dec 11 06 03:55 pm Link Veronica Villa wrote: Someone just posted this in another forum- a photographer specifically...he/she (don't remember) hired all of the stylists (i.e. the model's job for a TFP shoot in my opinion) and had two models flake. Dec 11 06 04:00 pm Link Dawnie wrote: I've been shooting tfcd for a few years and I haven't had a model flake yet. Your work is very good and I would think you shouldn't have a problem with no-shows. Dec 11 06 04:22 pm Link I listed some ideas to help motivate people to be on time to shoots like; (1) Get the people invested in the shoot. If money is being exchanged, she or he is more likely to show up on time! It's a serious loss if you show up late to court or the hospital. So if "serious loss" of money, freedom or life is involved, we show up!  (2) Be sure you have exchanged cell phone numbers AND that directions are CLEAR. I have a minutes plan that allows for up 5,000 minutes and long distance so I don't care if I talk to someone while giving them directions. (3) Have alternative plans or things to do available to you so that you are not bored (which contributes to mad moods.) I like to have several people around so that I can put someone in right away to check lighting, warm up, etc. ... before the model gets there. Then when the model arrives, they jump in! It works that way in Hollywood! If you can find something else to occupy your time, you'll feel better. (4) Car pool or make arrangements for transportation. This is a good thing to do, especially when it's critical to have everyone there about the same time. Traffic becomes less of an "poor" excuse when we are together in it! LOL For those who do "TFP" and complain ... all I can say is what does the photographer and model have to lose? It's part of the risk you take in doing "TFP" ... it's better to pay the models! Edit; I've posted the above tips numerous times on the 'net. I've not had a complete "no show" except for one who was booked to do a Hot Import Nights show .. being at my booth with a dozen other models. She was not missed, but her grandpa had died the day before, so I understood. Sometimes I am late .. correction! Many times I'm late! LOL It's a bad habit that I'm working on. So far I have been successful at beating the bad habit by leaving earlier and giving myself plenty of time for traffic problems. Dec 11 06 04:28 pm Link Charge a refundable $5. deposit. Five dollars is nothing but you can be sure the model will show up to get it back. If not, you made a whopping $5 profit!! d:-) Bob www.bobpardue.com Dec 11 06 06:24 pm Link duct tape.... Dec 11 06 09:08 pm Link |
