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Hello MM
I recently posted a casting for a Swimwear Fitting, (I do know what is a Fitting just being Sarcastic ). So one thing that I encountered is that the chosen models for it are always asking for Swimwear Photoshoot rates. So I decided to ask the Great Forum MM Oracle, is it me or is it the weather ? Why do (some) models charge Swimwear Photoshoot rate for a Fitting ? I think a Fitting is where the designer sees how the outfits look on a model to make alterations, period. No Photos or MakeUp Involved am I wrong or is the Gold Digging Virus spreading ? Btw is a Paid Fitting Please Advise Aug 08 19 05:52 am Link They could be doing paid work in the time it takes for a fitting. Are you saying the model's time isn't worth anything?
If I were a model reading this, you having to ask would be a huge red flag. Aug 08 19 07:01 am Link G Reese wrote: I guess You didn't read the part that says, "" It's a ' Paid Fitting' "
Aug 08 19 07:18 am Link MortArt wrote: What You're saying is the Model is asking for Her full Swimwear rate to attend a fitting?
Aug 08 19 08:07 am Link How significant was the fitting pay and was there more related work for the model on the project beyond that?
Most likely a cautionary approach since it could be interpreted as a means of simply getting a model into some swimwear for an hour or so with no real intention of doing anything but that. If it's a fitting for a designer (who'll make alterations to a new line or design) then the model is still "modeling" basically, photos taken or not. If it's a wardrobe adjustment (i.e., switch medium bikini bottoms out for small or large...) that is something that can be done - and is usually planned for - at the time of the actual shoot. Creep Factor 8 approach: "That looks pretty good. Say, let me grab a couple of quick photos to show the designer...Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'll be in touch once I hear back from the designer regarding the shoot...But - sign this..." Creep Factor 9: "Let's see what that looks like without the swimsuit..." Creep Factor 10: "You don't mind if I try that on for myself, do you?" Anyway, depends on the conditions and terms of the project. Was it just a fitting or was the fitting a prelude to a larger scope of work? Aug 08 19 08:24 am Link It's the same argument about models charging the same for both clothed and nude work. Or nude versus erotic nude work. I have several figure models I work with that charge the same whether they have clothes on or not. To them time is time regardless of what they are doing. The funny thing to me is they charge $100 an hour for photography but charge only $25 an hour for modeling for a figure drawing class, in either case they are naked.
The other issue is while she is charging you $25 an hour for a fitting she could be getting $100 an hour for a photo shoot. And as they say, time is money. Aug 08 19 08:40 am Link MortArt wrote: So you have a casting advertising it as a Paid Swimsuit fitting session.
Aug 08 19 09:13 am Link I agree with vector one. If the person is in demand and is making $100 an hour to stand in front of a camera, she can charge $100 for standing there not in front of a camera. But, as he pointed out with the figure modeling, not all jobs are worth the same amount of money. Figure modeling can be harder than modeling for a photographer. It can be painful to hold a pose and the artist bitch about the model changing positions. Despite the difficulty and the fact that an hour is an hour, figure models are very unlikely to get $100 an hour.
If the model isn't busy or is hurting for money, then she should adjust her rate to the value of the job and her costs to do it, including travel expenses. Does your casting call clearly state there will be zero photographs; that the designer (noting the gender of the designer) may need to be touching the model, the duration of the fitting and amount to be paid? I know not everyone reads the information provided. Even if they do, it may not be clear. How many models do "fitting" jobs with any kind of regularity? Aug 08 19 09:18 am Link Red Sky Photography wrote: I did tell the candidates that the Fitting was 2 hours $70 - $80 , then every single one of them right away said , $70 an hour ?
Aug 08 19 09:56 am Link Why hadn't the designer put out the casting for a fit model directly? Aug 08 19 10:14 am Link ROUA IMAGES wrote: Not all designers in the world are related or have joined MM community, that is very logic.
Aug 08 19 10:34 am Link MortArt wrote: Are those "models you met" who charged $50-60/hour the same individuals who asked for more for a fitting, or were they different models?
That is why I pointed to ""Gold Digging""
Just because you value the models' time differently than they do, doesn't mean they're gold-diggers. But the fact that you hang such a demeaning tag on them shows how much you value them. Aug 08 19 10:35 am Link MortArt wrote: Defensive much? LOL. I said 'could be interpreted...', never said you OP were engaging in such. And not just designers, there's a whole industry of people out there creating work every day that are not involved in the MM community. Typically, the designer will direct request a model for a fitting - whether via MM or genuine agencies, management companies, etc. Was asking why they hadn't. Aug 08 19 10:49 am Link ROUA IMAGES wrote: I am part of the Project, Investing Money and my Skills. Trying to find a Model for the fitting on my side. Aug 08 19 10:58 am Link I guess no One can give me an answer related to my Question. in other words how much would you pay for a Swimwear Fitting
About Gold Diggers, the term has a Negative connotation. But I think that some models sometimes just try to see if there is a possibility to push for more money in a Project. I have worked with multiple models and so far all of them are happy with what I have paid It's like having a Project Budget, so if you have a Budget set up, ( at least in a serious production) you can't go higher from what has been established Aug 08 19 11:06 am Link MortArt wrote: Working within the limits of a budget is understandable. The requirements of the fitting seem slightly unclear (as per the casting notice and wording) or at least reasonably open to further questions for clarification.
Aug 08 19 11:44 am Link This or similar is often brought up. I get the point, and there is certain validity. But ...
"The other issue is while she is charging you $25 and hour for a fitting she could be getting $100 an hour for a photo shoot. And as they say, time is money." During that time I could be getting $10,000 per day shooting for Calvin Klein. But what is the likelihood of either? Likelihood is the major factor in the decision making. Same time, but different value to different buyers. Aug 08 19 11:50 am Link ROUA IMAGES wrote: Thanks , Liked this answer Aug 08 19 11:55 am Link MortArt wrote: I'm not clear. In your casting, did you just list the pay at $70 and the time required as 2 hours ?
Aug 08 19 02:16 pm Link A fitting may be pre requisite to a photoshoot or a fashion show ....
But to advertise a fitting as a stand alone event - may give some models the idea that you just want to see them in swimsuits Aug 08 19 11:53 pm Link Vector One Photography wrote: Classic straw man argument. To say she "could" be getting $100 an hour does not mean she "would" be getting that. She could also be sitting home getting $0 per hour. A model that has 100% of her available time booked at $100/hr should't take that job. For anyone else, the name of the game is maximizing total income. Airlines understand that concept. If they are not able to sell every seat at full fare then they are better off with some seats sold at a discount. Aug 10 19 08:21 pm Link |
