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You are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The flake might not want to tell the other person about a cancel in fear of how the person will react to them. On the other side, people claim they want honesty all the time....that is until they get it. People get mega butt-hurt over a rejection. Denying someone for a shoot is a good way to find yourself put on blast with a fabricated story to try and hurt your reputation with negative reviews on your social media sites. Sure, not everyone will react that drastic, but the fact is that some do. It kind of goes back to that old analogy, that no response is a response. Jun 24 19 12:10 am Link Nogawd Photography wrote: Are you saying that people don't get mega butt-hurt over a no show ?
Jun 24 19 07:40 am Link I would honestly rather someone just tell me they won't complete the shoot than just be a no-show. If someone flakes I could lose half a day in lost productivity as well as studio fees. Jun 24 19 02:20 pm Link Nogawd Photography wrote: Yeah, you are right. Some people act like turds when the other person bails. That doesn't justify being the turd instead of them. I would hazard a guess that the percentage of people who would give someone a bad review on social media for canceling in plenty of time (plenty of time being subjective and dependent upon the preparations that are required) are far lower than the number of people who would react badly after being the victim of a flake. I understand the stress involved when you have to approach people in adverse conditions, but by not being a grown up and avoiding a potential confrontation for any particular instance, magnifies the fears of confrontation. One of the worst parts of my job is getting people to cooperate with me when they are neither my client or involved in the project. I cold call by knocking on their door. I hope my client has informed them in advance as instructed, and the aggressive, belligerent people are really few and far between. Not withstanding, the previous negative experiences take their toll and each door brings a sense of dread. But, really, there is no other option. My refusal to knock is likely to bring greater anger and wrath later. Much like a model, or photographer flaking instead of canceling. Jun 24 19 02:48 pm Link Nogawd Photography wrote: I believe the discussion is why models fail to show for a agreed upon shoot. However I also think while no response is a response its also not a wise one. In the past when I've asked models to shoot and they ignored me I didn't ask again and when I had projects that paid and they asked me to work I returned the favor. Perhaps not the most mature thing to do but I did it and I know for a fact others do as well. Yet this thread is about models who agree to shoot then flake. Cancelling isn't flaking but a no show or no call is. Its all very easy. Don't say yes to shoots you really don't want to do. If you change your mind just say you aren't coming. No need to lie about sick grannies. As for being blasted on social media. You can't stop people from being angry nor prevent them from talking shi#. Being honest, direct, polite and professional is always the best way. Jun 25 19 07:04 am Link Tony Lawrence wrote: It appears to me that all the sick grannies around the world, or grannies who have passed, have granddaughters who are models. Jun 28 19 02:39 am Link for about 7/8 years I never had a no show
but in the last 2/3 years as my work has got better i cant say the models have i have had several no shows last year or two there are more and more 'models' that have no idea how to behave in the most basic areas ... and there is more and more self absorbed, unprofessional conduct one hears about and experiences with an expectation from far too many that they can please themselves if they have any idea the upset they cause i dont know, but Im sure they don't care! i deeply value all the good models who are considerate professional hardworking and am blessed to find any kind patient sensitive and beautiful young women there still are available I just posted a lot here on MM for Madison Frapwell (in So Cal) whom I shot with last week. She was perfect As I say in many of my lectures - a great model is a Super Hero! Jul 25 19 12:11 pm Link Funny I can't even get them to the flake stage...I have been a commercial photographer for over 30 years shot N.Y. Fashion in the 80's worked for Playboy in the '90s and am massively experienced, kind of retired from the hustle and don't need to work anymore. I joined here to try to help both young Photographers and Models sort through their career paths. I send a polite request by message give them my website address to visit check out my work and about 80% of the time I don't even get a response, it's mindboggling. Even in the drug-fueled '80s, people had enough courtesy to say no if they didn't want to work with you.
rant over:) Aug 16 19 08:19 pm Link garybuntonfoto wrote: Models have Instagram, they dont need photographers anymore. Aug 17 19 12:31 am Link |
