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Model Mayhem Edu

Posts: 1525

Los Angeles, California, US

This latest change could have a major impact on the model/photographer community on Instagram. Posts that are sexually suggestive, even those that don't depict a sex act or nudity, could be hidden from view for most users.

Instagram says, “this type of content may not appear for the broader community in Explore or hashtag pages,”
https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/10/instagram-borderline/

Apr 11 19 12:35 pm Link

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DR Boisvert Photography

Posts: 560

San Antonio, Texas, US

Yeah, I noticed this the other day. People can search for my profile specifically if they know what to look for but none of my images show up in hashtags, even if the image is completely benign: I have some hashtags specific to my dog and if I click on it in my own post it shows that there are images linked to the tag but they don't show, just a message that some images may have broken community guidelines. Apparently if you're judged to be in violation of their guidelines, though it may not be enough to actually have the offensive image removed or even be warned about it, all your hashtag images are shadow banned.

Apr 11 19 12:54 pm Link

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Znude!

Posts: 3388

Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US

Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

Apr 11 19 04:06 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

DR Boisvert Photography wrote:
Yeah, I noticed this the other day. People can search for my profile specifically if they know what to look for but none of my images show up in hashtags, even if the image is completely benign: I have some hashtags specific to my dog and if I click on it in my own post it shows that there are images linked to the tag but they don't show, just a message that some images may have broken community guidelines. Apparently if you're judged to be in violation of their guidelines, though it may not be enough to actually have the offensive image removed or even be warned about it, all your hashtag images are shadow banned.

It started for me on Sunday.   This official link explains it all.

https://help.instagram.com/613868662393739

What gets me fired up the most is this part:

"Not all posts or accounts are eligible to be surfaced in Explore and hashtag pages. We use a variety of signals, for example, if an account has recently gone against our Community Guidelines, to determine which posts and accounts can be recommended to the community."

You don't have to worry about just certain post not showing up your entire account can be made invisible to the community outside of your current followers.  I'm one of these accounts.

I'll take this time to share my account @superdimensionfoto because nobody is going to discover it on Instagram.  If do take a look you'll notice my account is typical of many photographers and model accounts.  There's a number of implied and censored nudes.  Nothing too extreme or that questionable.  Yet I've been labeled too hot for Instagram.  If it can happen to me it can happen to any of you.

Apr 11 19 06:36 pm Link

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TEB-Art Photo

Posts: 612

Cary, North Carolina, US

Best to steer clear of Facebook and FB companies. They've shown their colors. They are not there for your benefit.

Apr 11 19 06:41 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

There's a few places like that already and they're not all porn sites.  Many appeal to select audiences only or you be vetted as being worthy enough to post.  Twitter seem pretty chill, has mass number of users but I think it is too wild.  The masses like to stick to the mainstream platforms.  I was totally cool with making sure that all eye candy was safe for Instagram.  This new policy is saying no more eye candy.

The largest Instagram accounts built their massive followings on eye candy.  Without eye candy there would be no accounts with millions of followers.  Celebrity as you know it is shaped these days by social media.  If Instagram started with these rules on day one it would have never grown to the scale it is now. 

This could be a career killer for many models.  Not the ones with followers in the six digits.  I'm talking about models who are starting to gain enough traction to the point where modeling full time seems like a viable job.  With this policy could make that goal out of reach.

For a new platform to be successful it needs to attract plenty of big name celebrities to promote the hell out of it.  My gut tells me Instagram isn't going to hide eye candy from the big names that would drive these celebs and their millions of followers to a different platform.

Apr 11 19 07:01 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

TEB-Art Photo wrote:
Best to steer clear of Facebook and FB companies. They've shown their colors. They are not there for your benefit.

That's something we all known for years but they've got all the eyes on their platforms.  If you want to been seen you pretty much have to use their platforms.  I'm curious to see how this will effect Instagram's overall traffic as posting and liking eye candy is one of the top reasons people use it.

Apr 11 19 07:12 pm Link

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G Reese

Posts: 927

Marion, Indiana, US

coughMeWEcough    :-)

Apr 11 19 09:09 pm Link

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Photo Jen B

Posts: 358

Surprise, Arizona, US

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

I think you have nailed the reason. Instagram isn't an adult or private media, it is filled with kids and online predators, (and subsequent censorship.)

Jen
edit: and here we used to have people reporting on each other, banishments too, just like IG but here we pay for membership levels

Apr 12 19 06:24 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Super Dimension Foto wrote:
For a new platform to be successful it needs to attract plenty of big name celebrities to promote the hell out of it.  My gut tells me Instagram isn't going to hide eye candy from the big names that would drive these celebs and their millions of followers to a different platform.

I said the same thing when I saw this
Kim's butt implants will still be prevalent on instaspam since she brings in so much $$$
Her semi neekid selfies will be fine but a bikini shot from an unknown will be banned

Apr 12 19 12:48 pm Link

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Chuckarelei

Posts: 11272

Seattle, Washington, US

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

Fetlife.

Apr 12 19 05:18 pm Link

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Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

It was invented a couple decades back, i believe it was called the internet. However, without censorship, the transference of basic drives to product purchases that enable mercantile economies doesn't occur, so...

Apr 15 19 07:01 am Link

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MN Photography

Posts: 1435

Chicago, Illinois, US

I'm not sure what instagram is hoping for here.  It seems like it's going to be impossible to avoid being banned from using hashtags.  My account has been shadow banned.  I've never had a photo removed for any reason and any of my photos on my IG could probably have been published in Life Magazine in 1965 without raising an eyebrow. 

IG apparently has a large and secret list of banned hashtags.  If you used one, your image was banned.  Most of these hashtags are pretty benign and have little or no sexual connotation.  According to some online articles, hashtags like #bikinibody, #curvybody, #attractive and even #happythanksgiving are banned.  I used #lingerie one time on one post about a month ago and that image was shadow banned.  Now, apparently, my entire account has been permanently banned from using hashtags because I once used a banned hashtag. 

I would start a new account and be more careful, except with secret policies like this, it seems impossible to know how to be careful.  If IG wants IG to be nothing more than cute puppy photos and travel snapshots, then maybe spell that out.

Apr 15 19 07:33 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9782

Bellingham, Washington, US

"Social" media.

You are not the customer. You are the product.

Same as it ever was.

I have a Fakebook account under a false name. I added 2,600+ "friends" in less than 2 weeks. I don't know these people and I don't care. I generated 200 "likes" on my event page in 3 hours with a single mass "share".

Meaningless unless some of them show up to the next event. Then it's a win.

I want it to promote an occasional event. I log in for 5 minutes once a week. I don't look at other people's stupid posts or respond to anything, ever. Update event page, go away, done.

Total waste of time, a rabbit hole. Still, slightly better than stapling flyers to phone poles and less work.
Game the advantages, ignore everything else.

Apr 15 19 09:45 am Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

I'd like to again point out how serious this new policy could be for models and photographers. During these last few days I've notice that some professional traveling models and publications have been hit by this.  Not sure if they're even aware of it.  If you ever been shadow banned for using the wrong hashtag or had a picture removed in the past chances are you've been demoted by Instagram.

To see if you've been demoted search the lesser known or hashtags that you've invented for yourself.  For example publishers will use their name as a tag.  When I search by their tags the publishers own posts didn't show up.  Here's a site to play around with:

https://www.isitnude.com/

It was created in few years ago.  Feed it a picture and the algorithm will determine if there's nudity or not.  It isn't perfect and it's not the algorithm used by Instagram but it will give you an idea how these things work.  From my own testing it will still read censored nudes as nude and it will read covered nudes as nude.  It also read clothed but suggestive pose as nude.  Assuming that Instagram's works in a similar way I would take care of what you post and what hashtags you add.

Now to show a double standard.  When I Googled Instagram news stories this recent article came up.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-bo … ram-photo/

She's a celeb with 338K followers.  She using implied nudity as marketing tool.  The same way accounts of all sizes use it and US magazine made article praising her.  With the current situation on Instagram smaller accounts risk getting demoted if they try to recreate this.

Apr 16 19 10:01 pm Link

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Eye of the World

Posts: 1402

Corvallis, Oregon, US

What are the tell tale signs to determine one has been shadow banned?

Apr 19 19 08:26 am Link

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R.EYE.R

Posts: 3439

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

There are quite a few, but nobody cares.
Instagram got most users and everyone will whine about censorship while continuing posting there.

Apr 19 19 09:49 am Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Eye of the World wrote:
What are the tell tale signs to determine one has been shadow banned?

Review your hashtags right after making a new post.  If you can't find that post it usually means one of the tags was banned.  Wait a couple days make another new post.  This time verify all your tags are good before posting.  If this the same things happens chances are you've been shadow banned.

That's how it worked in the past.  With it only affecting your new posts.  Now it could hide all of your previous posts too.  Dig through your old posts and do a hashtag search with them.  Best to use a post that you used with a not very popular hashtag.  This will make trying to find your posts easier.  If there's suppose to be 10 results and your 2 posts aren't among 8 they show you've been demoted.

R.EYE.R wrote:

There are quite a few, but nobody cares.
Instagram got most users and everyone will whine about censorship while continuing posting there.

You post where the people are.  No point in posting a censorship free platform if nobody is there to see it and this isn't just normal censorship.  People on IG who something against the rules usually get their accounts suspended.
Here we have people who aren't breaking the rules and getting their posts hidden from Explore and Hashtag search functions.  IG isn't clear on what type of post will get demoted.  Say you're a physical trainer do you now have to be afraid to post because IG might think pics of you in yoga pants are too sexy?

Apr 19 19 07:27 pm Link

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Eye of the World

Posts: 1402

Corvallis, Oregon, US

Super Dimension Foto wrote:
This time verify all your tags are good before posting.

OK, and how do you verify the tags are good *before* posting?

Apr 19 19 09:41 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Eye of the World wrote:

OK, and how do you verify the tags are good *before* posting?

Do a hashtag search of the tags you're planning to use and see what results show up.  If it doesn't show up at all it is completely banned.  A tag may have results under TOP but not under RECENT.  You want to use a tag that will show both TOP & RECENT results.

Apr 20 19 09:57 am Link

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Model Mayhem Edu

Posts: 1525

Los Angeles, California, US

Eye of the World wrote:
What are the tell tale signs to determine one has been shadow banned?

Here's a good article on being shadowbanned and how to fix it.
https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/instagram-shadowban

Apr 22 19 09:41 am Link

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Evil Laugh Photography

Posts: 110

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Znude! wrote:
Maybe someday someone will create a social media platform for adults without censorship.

It now exists. Cocoscope. Created by a model/social media trending woman who got demotized by youtube once they fully realized she was also a collared submissive, camgirl and was using their platform to increase membership to her own website. But not before they invited her as a vip to one of their content creator / maker centers due to the sudden explosion in subscribers and viewers of her channel and took advantage of her videos going viral to generate a lot of extra ad views. One video in particular did about ten million views in its first two or three days as I recall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxajnypzxh0

Apr 24 19 03:48 am Link

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Evil Laugh Photography

Posts: 110

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Eye of the World wrote:
What are the tell tale signs to determine one has been shadow banned?

If you're someone who has a lot of followers, and you put up a post that's the same sort of content as you often post, and there are very few likes & new followers gained afterwards, then that would be a big sign something is afoot in algorithm land.

But if you're someone with very few followers and isn't just over stuffing each post with hashtags trying to game the system you probably wouldn't notice if you were or not because there isn't going to be much difference one way or another in how many might join your list of followers or like your postings. I only got around to even joining IG about 5 months ago myself and it was really only to view posts of a few people I already subscribed to on youtube (who were moving away from that platform over its business & censorship practices). Originally my only "followers" were people I already knew in real life and who had my contact info in their devices and email accounts already and I  also had no intention originally of putting much anything up because i don't need "likes" to feel good about myself. However in the past week I've been putting up examples of previous photo shoots just to have an easy place to show someone if asked about what I like to photograph and using a few basic hashtags on them if they're relevant to the subject matter of the photo(s) and have basically doubled my follower count.

Apr 24 19 04:15 am Link

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Photo Jen B

Posts: 358

Surprise, Arizona, US

Facebook hid a post of mine saying it looked like spam, (I shared some pictures on a local photography group and then my own page.) When I went to edit my post FB warned me I couldn't because it was hidden as spam.
I was offered an option to request a review, which I did. That was 3 days ago. I'll upload a picture to my port and link it here. (unretouched.)

Go figure.
Jen

Apr 24 19 05:34 am Link

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gary yong

Posts: 51

Beijing, Beijing, China

go to twitter,that is the place where you can post adult contents freely .
my twitte      rhttps://twitter.com/garyyong20

May 05 19 06:19 am Link

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Michael DBA Expressions

Posts: 3734

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

May 05 19 02:51 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Sheer prudery strikes again: http://www.thenudeblogger.com/blurred-g … -accounts/

A few things I've notice about the massive and verified accounts is they'll often won't even use hashtags.  With 100K followers (even if half of fake) they don't need to.  Some accounts accounts belonging to very popular nude models are almost devoid of pictures even suggesting a career as nude model.  Then you have the celebrity covered nudes selfies.   They seem to get away posting pictures like this with no problem.  We are in a different class than the 100K and verified accounts.  When we try to dispute algorithm our complaints are ignored.  There's no hope at all.  You can't reach anybody.  The verified accounts have people assigned to help them.   A non-pornographic/non-nude body positive account in that link gets shutdown because they only person reviewing their account is a computer.

After having my account entirely demoted I started a 2nd account.  I already had 2 posts get demoted.  First posted the wrong picture.  Deleted it and posted the correct one all under a minute.  The algorithm detected it as spam.  I deleted the correct photo and re-posted it a couple hours later with no problems.  So if you make a mistake wait before you re-upload.  The 2nd post that got demoted involved a model wearing a bra that was only a few shades away from her skin tone.  This wasn't a sexy bra.  There wasn't a hint of a nipple or even cleavage.  Nothing sexual about the picture but the algorithm detected too much "skin" and that post does show up in any hashtag search.   Of course I have no real means of disputing this with the algorithm.

May 12 19 09:23 am Link

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ROUA IMAGES

Posts: 232

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Why exactly are we still contributing content, information, and data freely to supply and feed social media's third-party controlled platforms and chasing algorithms for footholds and visibility in their walled gardens, again?

May 12 19 10:51 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

ROUA IMAGES wrote:
Why exactly are we still contributing content, information, and data freely to supply and feed social media's third-party controlled platforms and chasing algorithms for footholds and visibility in their walled gardens, again?

Im not
Never have
Rumor has it that Tumblr might go on the auction block soon and Pornhub is looking at taking over
Tumlbr was a much more photo friendly site than Instaspam so Im hoping this could turn out yo be a good solution.

May 12 19 01:26 pm Link

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ROUA IMAGES

Posts: 232

Phoenix, Arizona, US

It'd be interesting to see how that unfolds. Initially, Tumblr was never horrible save for getting buried by more popular venues, but its gradually continual focus on porn issues (for or against) seem to keep its future questionable as a viable option for photographers/models/artists to showcase who do not shoot in those genres.  I'm not sure Pornhub's buying it out would make it any more a good choice than, say, Deviantart or another alternative to FG and InstaBook.  The good news is they may not be manipulating rankings and visibility off their own "pay for higher placement" algorithms, letting whatever content place where it should, but the concern is that search engines may omit Tumblr pages from search results based on its reputation as heavily porn friendly under Pornhub's ownership.  What's left?  Twitter?  Really?  My gosh we've descended...

It's really -  damn social media and the current paradigms...  What else is out there that people are turning to?

May 12 19 05:57 pm Link

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Ansel Sigmar

Posts: 1

Phnom Penh, Phnom Penh, Cambodia

Tumblr bombed me today for boobs covered with wet fabric. It was pretty hot, but really.

I appealed it of course, but doubt they'll change their minds. The same image went up on IG at the same time, and I heard crickets. Maybe they're just busy now, but I read somewhere that the fabric covering nullifies the tittiness of titties on the Gram.

May 13 19 12:40 am Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Just how strict is Instagram's algorithm in detecting nudes?

A picture I uploaded last week of a model wearing a bra few shades away from her skin tone was demoted from research results. I can see how that may have caused a false positive.  This week I shared pictures of a Caucasian model wearing black panties.  They didn't match her skin tone, you can't see anything, she's not doing the splits and the coverage is equal to most swimsuits.  Instagram hid it from search results.   Uploaded a front view - hidden, back view - hidden & side view - not hidden.

My meager following can still see these pics.  Nobody is going to find them in discovery or a hashtag search.  Another much larger Instagram account that follows me posted one of these pictures of mine (with credit).  They got 650+ likes for my picture compared to the 40+ likes I got on my own account.  Instagram's demoting posts doesn't hurt big accounts but it really limits the growth of smaller ones.

I've also reviewed some of the large photographer and model accounts I followed.  The one's who aren't at the top but have a really good following.  A few of these accounts have been completely demoted.  I doubt they are even aware of it.  With them having 50K followers there's still plenty of eyes seeing their posts.

May 17 19 09:07 am Link

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veypurr

Posts: 466

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

ROUA IMAGES wrote:
Why exactly are we still contributing content, information, and data freely to supply and feed social media's third-party controlled platforms and chasing algorithms for footholds and visibility in their walled gardens, again?

I don't know that is a good question, I guess because Instagram is the only game in town. I will say this, I have been using it less and less and viewing it less and less. I had forgotten there were other things in life besides getting likes. Now I remember!! Life is wonderful beyond the screen!!

May 17 19 11:49 am Link

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udor

Posts: 25257

New York, New York, US

Not sure what changed... but I have a lot of porn feed from accounts that were inactivated and my feed is almost back to normal!

May 17 19 09:25 pm Link

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ROUA IMAGES

Posts: 232

Phoenix, Arizona, US

veypurr wrote:
I don't know that is a good question, I guess because Instagram is the only game in town. I will say this, I have been using it less and less and viewing it less and less. I had forgotten there were other things in life besides getting likes. Now I remember!! Life is wonderful beyond the screen!!

That's great! It's amazing how much more productive one can be once outside of it.  Have you also noticed how much Pimpstagram "isn't" out there on the web once you break free?  Of course they want people on it daily, jockeying for likes, trying to get on that explorer page, hoping for more followers, playing all the games and tricks just to be "seen"...
Their platform, and goal is very Bacefookey (especially now) with that same tactic of presenting it as the number one place to market and advertise one's self for "free!" or just "share" with friends and family for "free" ::insert warm, fuzzy, feel good, FOMO, join the club, don't be left behind, start making money today, be seen by thousands, motivational coercion that triggers getting on board with the biggest community anywhere::

Then once everyone's been corralled in, adding tons of resources "for free!", and reliant on the system, it's now bait and switch "pay to play" and "money for positioning."

Yet, when I want to buy something I still go to Google and search it.  I don't hop onto social media and start typing in hashtags.

May 18 19 09:04 am Link