Gaylord Hill wrote:
Actually I think the subject matter of my avatar and the 1st shot in my port are worse than porn. What do you think?

Uh, whatcha smokin' there?

CareLyn Anita wrote:
um I suppose it depends  how you look at it ,I don't think porn is bad in the first place .... although there is bad porn , and I dont think an adult chosing to smoke is bad either.

I suppose that makes me neutral....

I would have to say that cigarette companies exploit and shed harm with no consciousness more than adult entertainment companies , but they are much larger corporations  with much more money...so of course they would.

Yeah, the "worst" needs to be in quotes. Porn is a "badboy" concept and a punching bag for comment. Porn in and of itself has no inherent bad qualities, but only the way its users respond to  it.

Tiff Marie wrote:
i think that you think that you're much more badass than you really are. i mean, she's not like injecting with a dead prostitute in the corner.

Sorry--misplaced anger! This photo not about me. Read the question!
Damn, I had to come back to this. Me--badass? Injecting what and why a dead prostitute? What the f**k are you talking about??

Vivus Denuo wrote:
Posing for porn and smoking can both be dangerous.  The statistical probability of harm from smoking is greater, I'd say.  You can protect your self from harm while making porn.  The only protection against smoking is to not do it.

I see your point but do know of several porn actors and actresses whom , taking all precations to protect themselves from harm still got harmed , some physically... so i mean really , i also had an aunt who smoked until she died , of old age , with no real problems relating to her respiratory system... smoking does not offend me , neither doe s good porn ( althought there is so little ) bad porn doesn;t even offend me it just bores me to tears and i suppose it insults my intellegence in some way or another.... whatever....

To some people smoking is porn... and thats kinda hot

CareLyn Anita...
Smoking Fetishist...

DonaldUla wrote:
It all seems sort of silly to me. People think many things are porn like. It depends more on one's personal fetish. Perhaps the founder of this thread views smoke as being so sexy that it amps up their personal sexaul/porn experience. The worse than porn thing...I don't think so. It's a good headline to entice people to write about it though.

Can pictures of feet fall into the same category? Check it out at https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=73687

Its the "Foot Photos" forum under General Mayhem. Lots of good images.

To the smoke fetish photographers I say, "Viva the smoke." Crank it up and lets see some more.

Naw, my thinking is much more simple. People bad mouth porn as having no pupose and is even a sick process with no socially redeeming purpose and leads to all kinds of abherrEnt behavior. I was just contrasting those parameters to the process of smoking. NO I DON'T SMOKE!

CareLyn Anita wrote:

I see your point but do know of several porn actors and actresses whom , taking all precations to protect themselves from harm still got harmed , some physically... so i mean really , i also had an aunt who smoked until she died , of old age , with no real problems relating to her respiratory system... smoking does not offend me , neither doe s good porn ( althought there is so little ) bad porn doesn;t even offend me it just bores me to tears and i suppose it insults my intellegence in some way or another.... whatever....

To some people smoking is porn... and thats kinda hot

CareLyn Anita...
Smoking Fetishist...

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTERESTING COMMENTS.

Jeff Marsh wrote:
clever way to get views

I don't NEED views, but I do like conversation about ideas!!
Does your viewing mean you were LOOKING for something worse than porn, but was let down?

vanscottie wrote:
I watched my dad die of lung cancer

fuck smoking, fuck smokers, and fuck people who glamourize it

Somewhat hit my personal sentiment. That is what the original question is about! To explore a topic photographically no much of how taboo it is!

You are not the only peson to suffer the agony of watching someone loved die potentially from smoking. Both my mother AND father died of lung cancer or its complications!!

Sorry about your dad. Strong reaction is what I seek from my photography!

Gaylord Hill wrote:
Can a Subject Be Worst Than PORN?

Sure.  Weddings.

Gaylord Hill wrote:
Actually I think the subject matter of my avatar and the 1st shot in my port are "worse" than porn. What do you think?

Why... just because the subject matter is smoking? 


I happen to think that all porn is not created equal.  There's fairly awful porn out there.  Then there are some that I wish I could view 8 days a week.  Your photos are bound to be worse than some, but better than others.

But if it means anything to you, I'm much rather look at porn that people smoking.  That's just me...

bobby sargent wrote:
I think having plastic boobs are worse than PORN.  bs

amen amen amen....I can't understand photographers displaying disfigurement as though
it's attractive.

Ransom J wrote:
Porn is bad?

Nothing is bad. It is only how it is used. Of course some of your shots do incite to sexual riot though!

Gaylord Hill wrote:
Actually I think the subject matter of my avatar and the 1st shot in my port are "worse" than porn. What do you think?

So why'd you shoot them?

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
So why'd you shoot them?

I shot to explore a taboo. Not meccessarily cause I like OR agree with the subject matter!

BTW--you say you put your hair in Dreads. I have locks, but didn't put my head in locks--my hair just locked!! it is what hair does!!

James Graham wrote:
WAR is way worse than PORN.

Legitimate Conscientious Objector here--when people knew what that meant!!

Glitz Batty wrote:
Just my opinion, but actually I don't think the smoking photo really glamorizes smoking at all. The smoke obscures the model as the camera takes an unflattering angle to reveal her in "raw pleasure. It leaves me wanting to see the attractive model without the cigarette and the smoke. I'm curious as to what this photo was taken for...portfolio, commercial, children's magazine ; ) ?
I really think it is not so much the subject matter but how/why/where it revealed that determines it's judgement, and then again it is half up to the viewer anyhow, as not only your photo but your query has brought up here. Same with porn vs nudity vs erotic...whew, I feel a headache coming on...

Glitz

I DO NOT  photograph to supply answers--but to "instigate"  questions!!

Thank you for your insight.

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
If smoking's the worst thing that somebody's done, they have relatively little to worry about.

Rhetorical question: since when did our society begin to place health choices at the top of the morality scale?

(This post does not address question of porn the least little bit.)

Yeah--I guess health and morality ARE on different scales--to be measured and discussed using different parameters!!
Thanks Marko for chiming in!

Gaylord Hill wrote:
Actually I think the subject matter of my avatar and the 1st shot in my port are "worse" than porn. What do you think?

I think genocide, bigotry and hate crimes are much worse

Greybeard Images wrote:

I think genocide, bigotry and hate crimes are much worse

All subjects of great photographs. So much suffering!!

Jack North wrote:
my new years resolution is to NOT ask models to smoke for photos.

This was of deep concern in this series of photos. The model had given up smoking and was on her one month anniversery! She did not inhale ala Clinton. She actually quickly realized what a sickening addiction she once had as she begn to cough several times with the smoke JUST in her mouth.