Forums > General Industry > An agency question that HASN'T been asked yet

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I already browsed through the previous agency threads, and I'm all but positive this stuff hasn't been asked. That said, I'm interested in getting local representation in hopes of scoring some local fashion shows, or maybe some little advertising stuff...the things that I'm not sure how to do as a freelance model. I'm not delusional enough to think that with my measurements I'd be able to get into Ford or Elite or anything, but I was wondering...to those who know:

How lenient are local agencies about stats? Are they as strict as the big agencies, or is it plausible that someone with my stats (5'7", 28-23-33) could be signed to a smaller local agency?

I fully plan to check out some agencies, do my research, see who could really help me meet my goals, and go in and try my luck. I just wanted to get a first opinion here in the comfort of my big pleather recliner. Also, (I know this isn't a critique thread, but just for kicks) if anyone here feels compelled to give me their opinion on whether or not I have a chance with small local (but legit) agencies based on my look and the quality of my work, feel free to throw in your 2 cents about that. It'd be good for me to know how high I should get my hopes smile Thanks folks!

Dec 09 06 09:06 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

BTW, just realized I forgot to mention...I'm looking for fashion work

(and bump)

Dec 09 06 09:14 pm Link

Photographer

David Gabel Photography

Posts: 454

Skippack, Pennsylvania, US

Well, I can direct you to the agency that hires me to shoot for them. They are small, starting out in this area (Frazer, PA), need a model base, and so on. I have nothing to do with them except the shooting, so if you want their info, I'd be happy to send it to you. I think what you are asking should be answered by a hiring agent, not other models and photographers. Bottom line, they are the ones banking on you getting picked for jobs and representing you. As for my opinion, it's not about the numbers but your over all look and if it fits the needs of a paying client.

David

Dec 09 06 09:26 pm Link

Model

Leah Michelle

Posts: 2056

Venice, Florida, US

I was going to go to Reinhart in Philly, it is reputable. But to answer you question, no they don't rely on height much at local agencies. Actually, if you check out their models, many are 5'3-5'6 or 5'7, but, they do require a portfolio. Because local agencies are smaller, they won't lend you the money until you get jobs for test shoots (which is how some in LA and NYC do it). Hope I helped! Good luck!

Dec 09 06 09:37 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Kaitlin Lara wrote:
How lenient are local agencies about stats? Are they as strict as the big agencies, or is it plausible that someone with my stats (5'7", 28-23-33) could be signed to a smaller local agency?

Kaitlin, I know some models who are in your area, and I'll try to induce one of them to answer you more directly.  However, let me give you a generic answer that likely applies to your situation.

Agencies in small markets are torn by three different tendencies:

1.  They can't have a huge number of people on the roster.  There isn't enough work to keep a large number of models happy.  So they want to focus on those who are in the heart of their market, and able to do as wide a variety of jobs as possible.  That means their preferences run to tall (5'9" and up) women, who can do almost any commercial job.

2.  They do have a fair amount of "fashion print" (local retailer ads, mostly) jobs, some commercial print jobs, and virtually no "editorial fashion" in the NYC sense.  That means their preference is for "catalog" types and "real people/lifestyle" types.

3.  Preferences be damned, they are in a small market with a relatively small selection of applicants to choose from.  So they take what they can get.  That usually means they have some shorter models on the rolls.

If you want to apply to be with them, I would suggest two things to you:

1.  Get some "standard" commercial and "catalog" type pictures.

2.  The hard part:  gain some weight.  What works for art and editorial doesn't work as well for mainstream commercial.

If you can do both of those, I don't see any reason why you couldn't be with a local agency.

Dec 09 06 09:40 pm Link

Model

Catriona

Posts: 3674

Portland, Oregon, US

As usual, TX's advice is sound. I know a friend of a friend who just got signed to a local agency after one photoshoot and is now appearing in "fashion print" all over town (retailer ads and newspaper gift guides). She's maybe 5'7", reasonably pretty, and honestly not great at modeling at all - she was in three full-page spreads in one of the local papers a couple of weeks ago, and her expressions were all so wooden and forced that it was a little painful to look at. I suspect your market and mine are of fairly similar sizes, so if she can do it, why not you?

Dec 09 06 10:10 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

TXPhotog wrote:

Kaitlin, I know some models who are in your area, and I'll try to induce one of them to answer you more directly.  However, let me give you a generic answer that likely applies to your situation.

Agencies in small markets are torn by three different tendencies:

1.  They can't have a huge number of people on the roster.  There isn't enough work to keep a large number of models happy.  So they want to focus on those who are in the heart of their market, and able to do as wide a variety of jobs as possible.  That means their preferences run to tall (5'9" and up) women, who can do almost any commercial job.

2.  They do have a fair amount of "fashion print" (local retailer ads, mostly) jobs, some commercial print jobs, and virtually no "editorial fashion" in the NYC sense.  That means their preference is for "catalog" types and "real people/lifestyle" types.

3.  Preferences be damned, they are in a small market with a relatively small selection of applicants to choose from.  So they take what they can get.  That usually means they have some shorter models on the rolls.

If you want to apply to be with them, I would suggest two things to you:

1.  Get some "standard" commercial and "catalog" type pictures.

2.  The hard part:  gain some weight.  What works for art and editorial doesn't work as well for mainstream commercial.

If you can do both of those, I don't see any reason why you couldn't be with a local agency.

Yeah...I've always assumed the weight issue was more important than height. 5'7" is short for fashion...but it's not unheard of. For me though, gaining weight is nearly as impossible as gaining height. Regardless of how much I eat...what my calorie intake is...I can't seem to get past 95 lbs. Exercise helped me gain a little...but even that only put on like 2 lbs. That's why I asked about my measurements...because I've been unable to change them.

Dec 09 06 10:16 pm Link

Model

OC Girl

Posts: 1033

Costa Mesa, California, US

While you do have an edgy look, small markets are going to want you for more commercial jobs.

I think you would do great in a juniors/teen division.  You look young, and your height and measurements fit more with that genre than traditional "adult" model departments.  If you have any agencies with a junior's division, I'd look into them.

Dec 09 06 11:27 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

OC Girl wrote:
While you do have an edgy look, small markets are going to want you for more commercial jobs.

I think you would do great in a juniors/teen division.  You look young, and your height and measurements fit more with that genre than traditional "adult" model departments.  If you have any agencies with a junior's division, I'd look into them.

That's a great idea...especially since the main reason I want to get with an agency is to get some runway time. I've even seen runway shows for the junior's department in the King of Prussia mall for the department stores. I'll definitely check that out. That's one of the things I was worried about with small markets...that they'd be more interested in commercial looks. I might be just judging myself wrong, but I always thought I didn't really have much of a commercial look.

Dec 10 06 10:17 am Link

Photographer

Jim Ball

Posts: 17632

Frontenac, Kansas, US

Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Yeah...I've always assumed the weight issue was more important than height. 5'7" is short for fashion...but it's not unheard of. For me though, gaining weight is nearly as impossible as gaining height. Regardless of how much I eat...what my calorie intake is...I can't seem to get past 95 lbs. Exercise helped me gain a little...but even that only put on like 2 lbs. That's why I asked about my measurements...because I've been unable to change them.

Have you tried any of the mass gainer/protein supplements used by professional bodybuilders?  They pack a lot of calories into a small serving.  I recommend the Optimum Nutrition brand for good flavor.  (Some brands are rather nasty tasting and it takes considerable willpower to keep taking them)  Also, it would take a couple of months to "start" to see weight gain results, so don't give up after a week or two if you elect to try anything like this.

Dec 10 06 10:44 am Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Jim Ball wrote:
Have you tried any of the mass gainer/protein supplements used by professional bodybuilders?  They pack a lot of calories into a small serving.  I recommend the Optimum Nutrition brand for good flavor.  (Some brands are rather nasty tasting and it takes considerable willpower to keep taking them)  Also, it would take a couple of months to "start" to see weight gain results, so don't give up after a week or two if you elect to try anything like this.

I was in the hospital for about a week after some rather nasty surgery, and was so sick from the anesthetics that I couldn't eat anything for a whole 5 days, and I lost some weight from that (this was at least 5 years ago...I've gained it back since then) and when I did, I started drinking some of those protein drinks with meals, but I found that they were really filling me up a lot, and I wasn't able to eat as much real food. I stopped because I was young and didn't think to check how many calories were in them, and it seemed like drinking more at the price of eating less was a bad idea tongue I don't know much about them...do they have more calories than most food? Is it okay to eat less food if you're drinking them? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to nutrition stuff.

Dec 10 06 11:34 am Link

Model

LorenzoPierre

Posts: 129

New York, New York, US

Kaitlin Lara wrote:

Yeah...I've always assumed the weight issue was more important than height. 5'7" is short for fashion...but it's not unheard of. For me though, gaining weight is nearly as impossible as gaining height. Regardless of how much I eat...what my calorie intake is...I can't seem to get past 95 lbs. Exercise helped me gain a little...but even that only put on like 2 lbs. That's why I asked about my measurements...because I've been unable to change them.

Sounds similar to me...it's very hard for me to gain weight also and I have tried almost everything.lol....fast food, junk food, lots of meat...nothing happens :-(

Dec 10 06 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

Zave Smith Photography

Posts: 1696

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Body type and size will vary from agency to agency.  The best thing to do is go see them and listen to what they say.

The important thing is to find a reputable agency.  How can you tell the good from the bad?  The biggest question is how does that agency make its money?  Do they make their money from selling models on classes or photoshoots or do they make there money by booking talent on paying gigs.  Place a couple of phone calls to photographers who book models and ask them who they book from will also be truth revealing.

Fashion is only a small part of the modeling world.  It is the most glamours and therefore the one that most people think about.  But the world of commercial modeling is much larger and much more varied on who they are looking for.  I just posted an article on my blog site about working with talent and it will give you an idea what buyers of talent are concerned with in the non fashion world.

Sincerely,

Zave Smith
www.zavesmith.com

Dec 10 06 04:25 pm Link

Photographer

Jim Ball

Posts: 17632

Frontenac, Kansas, US

Kaitlin Lara wrote:

I was in the hospital for about a week after some rather nasty surgery, and was so sick from the anesthetics that I couldn't eat anything for a whole 5 days, and I lost some weight from that (this was at least 5 years ago...I've gained it back since then) and when I did, I started drinking some of those protein drinks with meals, but I found that they were really filling me up a lot, and I wasn't able to eat as much real food. I stopped because I was young and didn't think to check how many calories were in them, and it seemed like drinking more at the price of eating less was a bad idea tongue I don't know much about them...do they have more calories than most food? Is it okay to eat less food if you're drinking them? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to nutrition stuff.

No, you should not eat less when using the weight gain supplements. You are wanting extra calories - not substitute calories.  Use them as a snack between meals, or drink one instead of reaching for a soft drink.  If you use the powders and mix your own, you can get two or three hundred extra calories of solid nutrition in an 8 oz glass of milk.  The canned pre-mixed drinks are expensive.  The powders are as cheap as a few cents per serving.  You are a very small person and probably have a very small stomach.  Combine that with a high metabolism and you are going to have to watch what you eat pretty closely to make any weight gains.  You may need to eat several small meals in a day instead of two or three "regular" meals.  Just like an obese person trying to lose weight, you should track every calorie you consume every day.  Keep a written log.  In your case, you would be trying to stay above a baseline daily calorie intake while an obese person is trying to stay below.  Like I said before, it will take time.  Be patient and go slow.  If you are serious, then talk to a nutrition specialist.  Go to a local gym and seek out some of the female bodybuilders and ask what they do.

BTW:  I'm offering you "How-To" advice.  I'm not trying to tell you this is something you "need" to do.  I'm just offering some advice to follow up what Tx said and your reply.

Dec 10 06 09:45 pm Link