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Page Views - vs. - Comments ?
Some people will say that the number of page views or comments an image gets in your Model Mayhem portfolio doesn't matter at all. For those people, you can stop reading here. Please go to another thread that will interest you more.  My questions here are directed toward those people who do place some meaning or value on page views and comments. Which is generally considered better or most important: 1) A photo with a far larger number of page views than your average, but fewer comments than the average image in your port. 2) The opposite condition: A photo with a larger number of comments than your average, but fewer page views than the average image in your port. Also, what weight would you place on the ratio of comments to page views? I personally think that's a fairly good measure of an image's success. If most of the page views resulted in a comment (a very rare situation), I would say that image was very successful in "selling itself" to the Model Mayhem public, and motivating them enough to make a comment. On the other hand, an image with a staggering number of page views, but only one or two comments, might be considered mediocre, or even a failure, in comparison to the image with a high ratio of comments, even if the high-ratio image has fewer page views. This is because the image with the very low ratio of comments failed to motivate the audience sufficiently to make a comment. They might actually like the image with the low ratio, but it still failed to motivate them as much as the image with the higher ratio of comments. One last thing: For the sake of discussion, let's assume that all hypothetical images have been in the portfolio for the same amount of time, and that all of them have had an equal chance to be seen by the public. It's obviously harder to compare an image that's only been in your portfolio for a few hours with one that has been there for an entire year. Like I said earlier, for those people that think page views and comments are irrelevant, just let this thread pass on by. I realize how the number of page views can be manipulated, and I realize that even at best, this is the realm of nebulous speculation. I also realize that page views doesn't put rent money in your pocket, or models in front of your camera (at least, not directly.) So, please don't waste your time reminding me of all this. I happen to think there is some statistical value to be gleaned from the views and comments. I realize it's nebulous, but I do believe it has a certain value. I look forward to hearing people's comments. thanks, Glen Dec 09 06 10:24 am Link I think the content of the image has a lot to to with views, for instance my photos with the most views tend to be those of scantily clad or nude models. These have very few comments. Portraits for instance tend to get more comments with a much lower amount of views than those outlined above. So I often wonder just what type of person is viewing the photographs here? For me comments are more important than views because I can learn from them as long as they say more than "hot model" "who is she?" or "like it!" Dec 09 06 10:36 am Link the subjectivity of page views and comments frustrates me, but I don't have a better solution to offer. most of my comments have been of the "return the favor" variety, after I've said something nice about someone's work. that's cool, but not always useful. most of my page views come after I've posted a link in a forum. I wouldn't expect many comments then, because people are bouncing around a lot. page views at least show me that people are looking. what matters most, to me, at least, are comments with substance, however they come. funny, my shot that has the most comments is maybe the strongest artistically and also one of my weakest technically. while we're on the subject, it would be nice to have a way to read comments without increasing my own page view count. Dec 09 06 10:39 am Link Some people like to get an eyeful of certain images but are afraid to leave evidence of it Dec 09 06 10:45 am Link How about the picture that has high page views in both the photographers and models portfolio, but no comments in one port and lots of comments in the other port. What does this say"? Or does it mean nothing at all? Dec 09 06 10:49 am Link mr. wizard wrote: That would indeed be a great improvement on the current system. I've wished for such a thing since I first started using Model Mayhem. Dec 09 06 10:52 am Link digital Artform wrote: Yes, I think that happens with a lot of bondage portfolios, and with images that really push the sexual envelope of what can be shown here on Model Mayhem. Such images often get lots of hits, but a relatively low ratio of comments for all those hits. I often wonder if many people are too self-conscious or embarrased to make a comment on such an image, even if they really like the image? Dec 09 06 10:56 am Link It is interesting to see the differences when the photographer & model have the identical photo in their portfolios. I have a photo in my portfolio that has received 100 views and a couple of comments. The identical photo in the model's portfolio has over 600 views and 18 comments. Dec 09 06 11:02 am Link Chris Macan wrote: I've seen that happen before with sexy glamour images. The photographer would get fewer hits, and practically no comments. My theory is, the photo probably wasn't a technical or creative tour de force on the part of the photographer, but everyone thought the model was sexy and they wanted to shoot with her. So, the photographer gets a lot of views, because everyone wants to see the hot model up close and personal, (and they might be looking for the model's link as well), but they don't comment on the photography, because it's the model that has their attention, and not the photographer's skills. Meanwhile, on the model's portfolio, she gets a lot of views AND comments, because lots of people are wanting to shoot with her next, hoping their images will also look as sexy as that one. Dec 09 06 11:06 am Link Jim Ball wrote: Photographers are mostly looking for models to work with and will comment more on a models port than a photographers port as that is someone they wish to work with. Dec 09 06 11:19 am Link A few other factors that affect the number of views and comments on images that exist in more than one portfolio: 1) One of the portfolios could simply have more visitors in general. Maybe the model, the MUA, or the photographer is simply more established and more well-known? Maybe their portfolio just gets more traffic in general? 2) Maybe one of the people involved does a better job of "promoting" their work? Some people post a lot in forums, make announcements on the main page, spend time in the Shout Box, send out lots of MM messages to friends and prospective collaborators, etc. All of these things will tend to get your portfolio more attention. If the image in question happens to be your avatar, this can especially be the case. 3) One person uses the image as their avatar, while the other person doesn't. Using the image as an avatar is a good way to get it noticed. Dec 09 06 11:28 am Link Glen Berry wrote: https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=42039 Dec 09 06 11:49 am Link to me its more who left the comment. i had a model leave a nice comment after we disagreed in a thread. so i know she was honest. i also had a really awesome proffesional photographer leave a nice comment and that made my day. some of the people who leave comments basically saying nothing i dont find a plus or minus , just a waste of time. i havent had that in my port but ive seen it in other ports alot. Dec 09 06 12:55 pm Link If I have an image with comments that are mostly 'hot!' or 'we should get together sometime babe' or if I get a lot more male models giving me comments instead of photographers or makeup artists then I know the image has passed artistic and is headed in the wrong direction. I apply this especially to nudes. And I do put more weight on an image that has more comments but less views. The whole point of the image is to be provoking, if it's not then it shouldn't be up. Dec 09 06 01:33 pm Link Certain photos I've posted in the "your favorite" kind of threads have had the views skyrocket astonishingly due to the exposure traffic  (I already took down the one with about 850 views)Dec 09 06 03:06 pm Link from my experiences ppl usually gravitate to the images that show the most skin... Dec 09 06 03:26 pm Link there are two horizontal images in the middle of your port page.....same setting, same model. Image on the left doesn't show boobs: 76 views. Image on the right shows boobs: 367 views. Do you reeeaaaaally need the pattern pointed out to you? Dec 09 06 07:20 pm Link Chris Macan wrote: Yeah I've wondered that too. I have an image on my page that has comments on it, but on the photog's page, no comments at all. Dec 09 06 07:39 pm Link My girlfriend is an accomplished artist.......She has said a few times that if eveyone likes your work then you are just average and that is not what you want....Meaning that the majority of people do not have a high artistic sense, kind of like (hope I am not offending anyone here but) Brittney Spears, millions of admirers but how much talent..........So if less people appreciate your work, but those few have a high sense of art, then that is what you are looking for. Dec 09 06 07:42 pm Link Jim Ball wrote: You can't be serious....everyone hits on hot models, and wants their attention. Dec 09 06 07:46 pm Link Funny, I wondering the same thing on the way home...if I should pay ANY attention to these things....images I really love get few or no comments, and others, cute or stylish get lots. I've see God awful, & unflattering images on other's pages get raves.... and really wonder what folks are seeing. Then again I regularly notice (womens) magazine covers, that feature dull,unflattering celebrity images....and wonder if the actor's publicist is brain dead. Dec 09 06 07:59 pm Link Studio Spike wrote: Thanks for visiting, but what does that have to do with my original questions concerning the relative importance or meaning of the ratio of page views versus comments? Dec 09 06 09:03 pm Link digital Artform wrote: VERY nicely put Dec 09 06 09:06 pm Link Glen Berry wrote: even the the most horrific, awful, amateurish shots here on MM manage to garner comments ( "that's hot!", "when are we doing a shoot together!" , etc. ). I think you need to give up on the idea of extrapolating any useful data from these numbers. Dec 09 06 10:51 pm Link Quotes: "Some people like to get an eyeful of certain images but are afraid to leave evidence of it" "Yes, I think that happens with a lot of bondage portfolios, and with images that really push the sexual envelope of what can be shown here on Model Mayhem. Such images often get lots of hits, but a relatively low ratio of comments for all those hits. I often wonder if many people are too self-conscious or embarrased to make a comment on such an image, even if they really like the image?"  This is true - voyeurs welcome!Dec 12 06 02:10 pm Link I find the numbers interesting, and most the points I would bring up have been brought up already. I probably comment more on model images, not sure, if I follow links to a photographer and like some of his work or the concepts I generally will leave a comment or a tag. I generally try to point out what or why I feel the image is good and why I'm taking the time to comment on it. The thing I like to do when I have to time to browse is to look at the photo comments of say a medium to low quality shot (imho) but thats lots of comments like "you so hot", "great shot", etc... and view the profile of those people. Now I know I need to work on several issues in my port, so I'm not dissing people its just fun to see. peace Dec 12 06 02:40 pm Link Really depends on whos looking at your pictures and why ir If a Photog like Talbot or were to look at /comment one of my photos - I would 100 x the weight of the average GWC Dec 12 06 04:20 pm Link It is simply a wank meter with a brown nose. So sad but true. Dec 12 06 04:44 pm Link Like any stat it requires interpertation, Nudes always get lot of hits, hot models ditto and nudes of hot models go off the chart but a great portrait with awxome lighting and composition will get few hits but maybe some thoughtful comments Dec 12 06 06:09 pm Link my pics that get the most views are the underwear/nude shots...... yet i barely get any GOOD criticism because it's usually smokeblowers...wont say any names... a few have been real honest about what i could change, and what else i need. Dec 12 06 06:33 pm Link This has always been of interest to me. My highest hit images (All of mine are pretty much nudes BTW) has 2215 hits and 7 Comments. https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=69556 . Except for a row of new images my lowest hit image (488) has 32 comments on it? https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=888592 And a new image with only 323 hits has 13 comments on it already!http://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1745921. go figure? And like another mentioned I do weight the comments on my perception of the model or photographer's talent. But I pretty much appreciate them all... Even "pretty cool"..as long as it's not something like "nice tits' or "fat cow" which I of course delete. Jan 04 07 05:08 am Link |
