Retoucher

Oana T

Posts: 220

Deva, Hunedoara, Romania

Hi there!

Please, can someone explain how to use the color scheme http://colorschemedesigner.com/csd-3.5/ and how to apply a color palette resulted from there on an image ?

Thanks!

Dec 01 16 09:29 am Link

Photographer

P R E S T O N

Posts: 2603

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

Dec 01 16 12:04 pm Link

Retoucher

a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

It's a good idea to get to know about colour theory, but there are caveats. What applies in theory with blocks of pure or solid colour, is less relevant when it comes to the complex tonalities and subtle, desaturated colours that are prevalent in most photographic images. Also, the nature of the subject matter has a great influence on how colour works in photographs. Skintone is a good example - if you follow theoretical principles and end up with skin tone that looks unhealthy, then the theory isn't helpful. I think it's good to constantly develop your judgement by feeding it and by trusting it. Feed it by viewing as many examples of good work as possible - not only photographic, but also check out Western figurative painting, from Renaissance onward. Trust your instincts and they will grow and develop. The Colour Scheme Designer software is a fantastic tool for designers, but less useful to retouchers.
Above all - If you want to develop a firm grasp of matters relating to colour, the relationships of Red-Cyan, Green-Magenta and Blue-Yellow should be firmly embedded in your consciousness. This is the basis of modern colour theory.

A word of caution - avoid any colour theories that are based on the premise of Red, Blue and Yellow as the three pigment primaries.

Dec 01 16 12:46 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Augustine

Posts: 1153

Los Angeles, California, US

a k mac wrote:
A word of caution - avoid any colour theories that are based on the premise of Red, Blue and Yellow as the three pigment primaries.

Interestingly that's the opposite of what is in the Natalia T video. She seems to think RYB are somehow more psychologically useful. At least that's what I got from it.

Also I think RYB primaries make more sense if you assume by R they mean M and by B they mean C, the way [painter James Gurney sees it. And the way printers see it.

Dec 01 16 01:04 pm Link

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a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

Augustine wrote:
Also I think RYB primaries make more sense if you assume by R they mean M and by B they mean C, the way [painter James Gurney sees it. And the way printers see it.

Your above statement is a good example of how easy it is to become confused.
If you're working on the basis of R meaning M and B meaning C, what hope can you have of making sense of things?

That's why i said previously, "Above all - If you want to develop a firm grasp of matters relating to colour, the relationships of Red-Cyan, Green-Magenta and Blue-Yellow should be firmly embedded in your consciousness. This is the basis of modern colour theory."

PS Natalia isn't always right.

Dec 01 16 01:14 pm Link

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Augustine

Posts: 1153

Los Angeles, California, US

a k mac wrote:
Your above statement is a good example of how easy it is to become confused.

I'm sorry if I confused you.

Dec 01 16 01:22 pm Link

Retoucher

a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21186335/Colour%20Wheels.jpg

The one on the left is the accurate model. The one on the right is the flawed traditional model.

Dec 01 16 01:48 pm Link

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Augustine

Posts: 1153

Los Angeles, California, US

a k mac wrote:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21186335/Colour%20Wheels.jpg

The one on the left is the accurate model. The one on the right is the flawed traditional model.

And if the "red" you casually tell people to use is quinacridone red and the "blue" you tell people to use is cerulean blue then you are pretty much giving them the wheel on the left. Which is what I said earlier.

https://images-nitrosell-com.akamaized.net/product_images/13/3086/large-hwc-quinacridone-red.jpg
A red close to magenta

https://www.quartoknows.com/blog/quartocreates/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2014/03/cerulean-blue-color-mixing-2131.jpg
A blue close to cyan

Augustine wrote:
I think RYB primaries make more sense if you assume by R they mean M and by B they mean C

Dec 01 16 04:12 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Augustine

Posts: 1153

Los Angeles, California, US

Extremely talented painters work with the wrong color wheel all the time. When they try to mix a particular color their theory gets them in the ballpark and from there they make the necessary adjustments without thinking too deeply about it.

Dec 01 16 04:18 pm Link

Retoucher

a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

Augustine wrote:
Extremely talented painters work with the wrong color wheel all the time. When they try to mix a particular color their theory gets them in the ballpark and from there they make the necessary adjustments without thinking too deeply about it.

What you say is perfectly true. The whole of the European art tradition was based on the Red/Blue/Yellow model. Up to fairly recently the palette available to painters was limited and imperfect, and the anomalies inherent in the RBY model (e.g. the fact that IN REALITY you couldn't mix a pure green from blue and yellow, and the fact that IN REALITY you couldn't mix a pure purple from blue and red) were accepted as just the way things were in this imperfect world.

Nowadays we work with devices based on the RGB colour model, and produce images to be printed using CMY(k). If you believe that colour theory is important, then surely you should adopt a model which reflects the realities of the world you live in.

A good theory is one that gets you good results.

PS -  Photoshop's Color Balance is a handy visual reminder of the three pairs of complementary primaries.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21186335/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-02%20at%2020.51.13.png

Dec 01 16 11:39 pm Link