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I am a bit confused. I get a lot of enquiries re tfp/cd, a lot of replies to ads to shoot tfp yet when I post paid gigs I get very few. Do the models here prefer working for art and pictures? Dec 05 06 08:30 am Link gdsandy wrote: I'm assuming by 'paid gigs' you mean that you would be getting paid. If that's the case then the answer is that they'd rather get the pics than have to pay you. Dec 05 06 08:32 am Link Mark Reese Photography wrote: No that's not the case at all. I will pay them. That is made clear in the forum notice I hope. It must be as I did get 2 replies. Dec 05 06 08:36 am Link Sorry, I misunderstood. Dec 05 06 08:38 am Link The type of model I need is: -Age around 18-25 -Very beautiful, with clean, happy looks. Good complexion. -Expressive, not camera-shy. Good full lips, smallish breasts. -Proportionately long limbs, though height is not important. -Unless supplied for a commercial shoot, wardrobe is your responsibility. Please make sure it is well ironed. -Must be comfortable with artistic nudity (though I never shoot glamour or anything tacky). -Slim, verging on the thin, (more fashion looks than glamour). -Intelligence. -Very reliable. I also asked for nudity, not that I give a hoot about nudity, but I detest intensly all this nonsense about 'levels' - for Christ sake, this is so pathetic. I just want to shoot completely unrestricted with models who trust my judgement and refinement. A model should be confident about her body, full stop! Either she likes what I do and wants to shoot with me, or forget it, but don't give me this 'levels' nonsense (it's so internet!) When I shoot nudes The type of model I need is: -Age around 18-25 -Very beautiful, with clean, happy looks. Good complexion. -Expressive, not camera-shy. Good full lips, natural breasts -Wardrobe (still a factor in some nude shoots) is your responsibility. Please make sure it is well ironed. -No or unobtrsive tattoos or piercings -Proportionately long limbs, though height is not important. -Must be comfortable with artistic nudity (though I never shoot glamour or anything tacky). -Slim, or well proportioned, (more fashion looks than glamour or more arty than Playboy). -Intelligence. -Very reliable. ....... from your page, sounds demanding, esp the paragraph i italisised.. Dec 05 06 08:41 am Link Maybe it takes the "fun" out of it for them and being paid they'll feel the pressure f them having to do what you want? Who knows. Dec 05 06 08:42 am Link lotusphoto wrote: You may have a point. I just got fed up to the back teeth with models not fully understanding what I wanted and getting precious about "revealing" their bodies. I would rather have someone work below his/her limits so that they and I am comfortable than have a model who thinks she may if she pushes herself fit the level I want. Dec 05 06 08:57 am Link dup Dec 05 06 09:34 am Link Depends what you're offering to do TFP wise. If it's something they could use (your port isn't the standard GWC that runs around here all the time) then they SHOULD want to trade pictures with you- especially if you're above the level they are used to shooting at. But if you come to NYC anytime, don't worry, there are plenty of girls willing to take your money. Dec 05 06 09:41 am Link I agree that the nudity clause is a bit odd... and I'm a nude model..... if this is editorial you have no hight requirments? Dec 05 06 09:43 am Link Okay, removed the nudity thing for the fashion/editorial. Put in after a horror stroy of a shoot where the model expected me to leave the room while she adjusted her undone blouse. Iona, I don't have a height requirement in fact I say "-Proportionately long limbs, though height is not important." I think proportionality is key. Thanks for the feedback though (much appreciated) Dec 05 06 09:50 am Link My experience has been...models with the look, height, for fashion, don't shoot nudes. ( unless it's very artistic, implied... then just maybe. Unless you're able to pay them agency rates- I'm certainly not. Most models I've met who do nudework don't have a runway, fashion look. I've worked with 3 or 4 outstanding exceptions , but that's my experience. The societal fear of nudework is so prevalent, I'm always delighted to meet anyone suitable , and go the extra mile to satisfy them with edits, prints & modest cash, to assure a continued working relationship. Dec 05 06 10:12 am Link I'm not asking for mannequins to shoot nude though. just good looking well proportioned girls. Dec 05 06 10:34 am Link Honestly, the long list of requirements in your bio section is rather confusing. Would it not be possible to minimize that as much as possible and simply screen each model on an individual basis, and politely decline the ones that you can't use or don't want? As a model, I might be likely to nix myself off of your list simply by reading your requirements and not thinking that I live up to them. Your judgement might be different, and thus you would have missed me because I thought from your list that I wouldn't be appropriate. Other than that, I don't know. I can't really tell you. Since you didn't copy your casting call wording, I can't tell if maybe there is something in your call that is putting models off. The simpler you can make it for models to contact you and inquire about your project, the more chances you'll have for getting models to respond at all. From there you can do the weeding. If you're getting none now, then doing a little weeding wouldn't hurt you I suspect. Dec 05 06 10:34 am Link Okay, I have toned it downa notch "Experienced photographer. Live in Switzerland but shoot in London, Chicago and L.A. Had a year off, just starting back. Usually shoot to order or for specific projects. Happy to do occasional portfolio building if mutually beneficial.. When I shoot fashion/editorial The type of model I need is: -Age around 16-25 -Clean, happy looks. Good complexion. -Expressive, not camera-shy. Good full lips, smallish breasts. -Proportionately long limbs, though height is not important. -Unless supplied for a commercial shoot, wardrobe is your responsibility. Please make sure it is well ironed. -Slim, verging on the thin, (more fashion looks than glamour). -Intelligence. -Very reliable When I shoot nudes The type of model I need is: -Age around 18-30 -Very beautiful, with clean, happy looks. Good complexion. -Expressive, not camera-shy. Good full lips, natural breasts -Wardrobe (still a factor in some nude shoots) is your responsibility. Please make sure it is well ironed. -No or unobtrusive tattoos or piercings -Proportionately long limbs, though height is not important. -Must be comfortable with artistic nudity -Well proportioned -Intelligence. -Very reliable. More work on OMP 33551 and Net-model gdsandy " Dec 05 06 11:08 am Link I would work with you regardless of your wording; I understood you from the beginning. gdsandy wrote: Dec 05 06 11:14 am Link I can't speak for all of the models here (some are in it just for the money), but I tend to avoid paid work because it adds an amount of unpleasant pressure/expectation. But also because in Seattle, paid work generally only comes in 1 of 3 flavors: 1) promotional modelling/hostessing 2) out and out pr0n 3) "glamour" for some creepy dude's "personal collection" I don't care for those. Dec 05 06 01:03 pm Link gdsandy wrote: These three physical requirements are the glitch that I see. I don't have full lips, so I would rule myself out here. Whether *you* would rule me out is different. Why limit the number of models that contact you outright? You've stated here you're having a problem with the fact that they won't respond to your casting calls, so why would you continue to place pretty strict limitations on models responding? Again, the issue I see with these limitations is that a model reading it might automatcially rule themselves out of your pool just because of their own personal impression of their body. Why risk missing an opportunity? Dec 05 06 01:22 pm Link critiques taken on board and a complete revamp in style and tone. please let me know what you think. About me Experienced photographer. Live in Switzerland but shoot in London, Chicago and L.A. Had a year off, just starting back. Usually shoot to order or for specific projects. Happy to do occasional portfolio building if mutually beneficial.. I have a preference for outdoor editorial pictures which have a crisp and clean feel to them. I do not usually supply wardrobe. That is the responsibility of the model as I do not use stylists as it is a logistical feat getting a model MUA, myself and location organised at the same time and the stylist is just a step too far for me to attempt. If you have one and he/she is willing to do it either for their book or at low cost then great. When shooting in studios, I hire them by the day or half day. I use MUAs who work for kit fees or reasonable rates. I shoot a mixture of crisp clean sexy fashion which tends to blend with artistic nudes in the style of maybe Bailey or Swannell. Models I am always willing to discuss your ideas and desires when shooting. Especially if it is a collaboration tfp/cd. Although I do not accept cash for my assignments I am in all other regards professional and will treat you with courtesy but an expectation of professionalism. Ultimately, this is a means of expression and creativity for me. It is not my full time job so I expect to enjoy the shoot. That means I want you to enjoy the shoot too. Letâs have some fun and make beautiful pictures. Chaperones I am always amenable to chaperones attending shoots. Especially if they carry equipment and hold reflectors etc. I do not work for or hire art directors and do not expect the chaperone to act as one. More work on OMP 33551 and Net-model gdsandy Web site http://www.btinternet.com donât expect much as it is a 2 year old prototype and the web has come a long way since then. Maybe as a project over the holidays I will rewrite it. Dec 05 06 03:22 pm Link I dont care if I'd get paid or not but money would be nice, I really need it for college : 0 ) Massage Therapy any photog. that help gets free massages after I go to school for it of course lol : 0 ) Dec 05 06 03:34 pm Link Gary, terrific revamp! I think it looks much much better! Dec 05 06 06:38 pm Link Josie Nutter wrote: By "creepy" do you mean appearing like Charles Manson diving a 1972 black Chevy van with blacked out windows and a toxic aroma of Christmas Tress emulating with every left turn or a guy with a less than 10-mpxl camera? Dec 05 06 06:49 pm Link If you have all that extra money from not doing paid shoots you can always give some to me  Poor starving students need to eat too  Dec 05 06 06:55 pm Link lotusphoto wrote: yeah how come you wanna shoot me then?! Dec 05 06 08:41 pm Link I don't understand why. I would work with you! Dec 05 06 08:46 pm Link Josie Nutter wrote: Josie! Dec 05 06 11:25 pm Link Monica Jay wrote: yeah but you dont know about his perssssssssonallllllity Dec 06 06 01:38 am Link |
