Top Gun Digital wrote:
I have seen models profiles where they have a blurb that says " I do not recommend Photographer So and So MM# 00000006".  In some cases they have given a generic reason such as not providing images from a trade shoot.

A reason is not allowed  on your profile.

ETA:  You definitely may share your experience with your local network of models.

PentaclePrincess wrote:
ok, Thanks for the info, Top Gun..

SO, I definately wont mention that the unprofessional/unreliable photog mentioned above is "Xxxxxxx Xxxx" mm#0000000..

Pretty hard to imagine that you didn't get the message that you are not allowed to "out" either a model or photographer in the forums.  It was pretty well spelled out for you.

It would probably be in your best interest to edit your post so that the photographer's name and MM # do not appear.  People have lost their accounts for less.

Ereka Marcelino wrote:
So you went ahead and just outed him even though it was explained that's not allowed???

Well, another example of unprofessionalism.  I guess even though she heard what the rules were, she doesn't feel that they apply to the Princess.

Mary Durante Youtt wrote:

Well, another example of unprofessionalism.  I guess even though she heard what the rules were, she doesn't feel that they apply to the Princess.

+1. Who looks unprofessional now? Pfffttt...

PentaclePrincess wrote:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to ask about the protocol in ... calling out an unreliable - unprofessional photographer.  ...

I want to post my dealings with this photog on MM, so that other models are aware, and dont waste a week of their time setting up something that obviously the photog had no intention of carrying through.

my question: Is this allowed on MM?

No, it's not allowed. 
1)  You are asking us to pass judgment without hearing the other side of the story.
2)  You potentially are creating a boatload of extra work for the moderators.
3)  Such "outings" can easily be abused.
We don't know you -- we have no reason to believe or disbelieve you.

So, sorry -- this is a grit your teeth & bear it sort of situation.

Here are some things you can do:
...  You don't have to work with this photographer ever again.
...  If you are asked for a reference, you can tell your sad story.
...  You can even tell your model friends (who know & trust you already) your story.
...  You can improve your screening process, to weed out these "unprofessionals".  For example:
     ---  Exchanging 50 e-mails to set up one session -- that's a yellow flag,
     ---  You can try checking references yourself,
     ---  There's a lot you can learn if you cast a critical eye on the photographer's portfolio.

In short, please find something more constructive to do with your time, and don't waste too much time punishing the photographers who disappoint you.

Mary Durante Youtt wrote:

Well, another example of unprofessionalism.  I guess even though she heard what the rules were, she doesn't feel that they apply to the Princess.

I guess that's the reason we need to have the rules.

PentaclePrincess wrote:
ok, Thanks for the info, Top Gun..

SO, I definately wont mention that the unprofessional/unreliable photog mentioned above is








OP...You  are getting great advice...Then to repost the photographer name and #number....

ontherocks wrote:
interesting that he bailed even after paying an upfront fee. it's hard for us to know because we usually don't get both sides and when we do it's often a big mess (get some popcorn).

the fact that it took 50 emails to book a shoot is also interesting. was he trying to talk himself into it? were you trying to talk him into it?

hope you have better luck next time.

Well, I would have been fine with 1 or 2 emails to discuss then book the date. Then perhaps a confirmation email or fone call
The nite before or day of.  This photog insisted on emailing me all throughout the week. I probably should've listened to my
Instincts and dropped the shoot..

PentaclePrincess wrote:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to ask about the protocol in dealing with and calling out an unreliable - unprofessional photographer. I'm a PROFESSIONAL Atl-fet model, and recently was booked by a photog thru MM.
We exchanged probably way too many emails (OVER 50), but eventually a specific time and date were decided upon; the photog even gave a $25 good will deposit via Paypal.

We emailed the nite before to confirm. He assured me everything was still on!

When the day of the shoot arrived, he was not responding to any messages, or phone calls, Eventually, i got ahold of him. We said he was 'running late', perhaps hours late. He then email me and said that he was still interested in photographing me, but he wasnt sure he was 'up for the drive'.

So, we had a written contract. and is comes down to him 'not sure if he feels up to the drive'.

I want to post my dealings with this photog on MM, so that other models are aware, and dont waste a week of their time setting up something that obviously the photog had no intention of carrying through.

my question: Is this allowed on MM? If so, what forum or other area would i post the SPECIFIC info on?

Thanks everyone, 
  much love,
                             Pentacle Princess

Did he get his $25 back?

PentaclePrincess wrote:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to ask about the protocol in dealing with and calling out an unreliable - unprofessional photographer. I'm a PROFESSIONAL Atl-fet model, and recently was booked by a photog thru MM.
We exchanged probably way too many emails (OVER 50), but eventually a specific time and date were decided upon; the photog even gave a $25 good will deposit via Paypal.

We emailed the nite before to confirm. He assured me everything was still on!

When the day of the shoot arrived, he was not responding to any messages, or phone calls, Eventually, i got ahold of him. We said he was 'running late', perhaps hours late. He then email me and said that he was still interested in photographing me, but he wasnt sure he was 'up for the drive'.

So, we had a written contract. and is comes down to him 'not sure if he feels up to the drive'.

I want to post my dealings with this photog on MM, so that other models are aware, and dont waste a week of their time setting up something that obviously the photog had no intention of carrying through.

my question: Is this allowed on MM? If so, what forum or other area would i post the SPECIFIC info on?

Thanks everyone, 
  much love,
                             Pentacle Princess

50 emails and phone calls, Seriously???  for booking a shoot?  Something is definitely not professional here, amateur at best.

Setting up a MM shoot should be done in 3 to 4 PM's.    The sad of part of this, no one knows who is telling the truth.  He said, she said, and they said.

Top Gun Digital wrote:
I have seen models profiles where they have a blurb that says " I do not recommend Photographer So and So MM# 00000006".  In some cases they have given a generic reason such as not providing images from a trade shoot.

While this might not seem fair, you need to understand that pretty much nothing that is written on this site is verified by anyone so any type of dispute is really just he said, she said.  If people could broadcast anything they wanted about anyone it would quickly become anarchy.  If you have a specific question about what you can say in your profile I would recommend that you contact a moderator.

You should also keep in mind that if you have a lot of negative comments in your profile about other people it may cause people to wonder if you're difficult to work with.  Just some food for thought.

Just to clarify, the part I bolded is against the rules.

Members are allowed to say something like "I do not recommend Joe Blow MM #123456"
but are not allowed to say why or give further details on their profile page.

adebellis wrote:
Things just got interesting...he replied?!

And right after that the OP removes 99% of their posts. Don't think this went the way the OP planed