Photographer
matt h
Posts: 138
Oakland, California, US
This is, I suppose, a variant on the "no show model" theme, but it's a recurring issue. (I'm just analyzing--I think the only response is to move on...).
Model: Love your work, want to shoot, can't wait.
Me: Sounds great..here are some ideas.
Model: Ok, that's fabulous, can't wait.
Me: Here are some potential dates,
Model:
One photographer likened this to the brass ring. The attention that the model gets through the adulation and back and forth is affirmation of her attractiveness, and allows her to feel desired and beautiful. At the end of the day, that is what she really wants. Once she has it, she needs little more.
Is that it?
discuss.
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
so how do you explain it when the situation is switched? why do photogs do that too?
Photographer
matt h
Posts: 138
Oakland, California, US
The brass donut?
Bad manners?
Hard drive crash?
Photographer
darkfotoart
Posts: 982
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Jessalyn wrote:
so how do you explain it when the situation is switched? why do photogs do that too? i had a model fail to tell me she was a slut , i found out about it and lost interest.
Photographer
Food 4 Less
Posts: 378
Los Angeles, California, US
darkfotoart wrote:
i had a model fail to tell me she was a slut , i found out about it and lost interest. is this a reinterpretation of
"i learnt that a photographer is a pervert"?
somebody's sensitive
Photographer
MartinImages
Posts: 3872
Los Angeles, California, US
Slut?
What does that have to do with anything?
I thought you were shooting her, not dating her.
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Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
martinimages wrote:
I thought you were shooting her, not dating her. or boinking her.
Photographer
darkfotoart
Posts: 982
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Renata Brazilia wrote:
is this a reinterpretation of
"i learnt that a photographer is a pervert"?
somebody's sensitive to be blunt , she did a shoot with a friend , before me a guy ive known 20 years. after the shoot she asked if he wanted a B.J. for a extra hundred bucks. she even told him he could be messy if he wanted. call me old fashioned but thats not a model i want to work with.
Model
Kayla Donia
Posts: 185
Vancouver, Washington, US
darkfotoart wrote:
i had a model fail to tell me she was a slut , i found out about it and lost interest. yeah... can't say that someones promiscuity has anything to do with whether they're a good model or not, unless she was like how about I screw you instead of paying you... that would make sense.
Photographer
darkfotoart
Posts: 982
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
its innaproppriate to boink the model , thats why you have them bring a female escort. you boink the escort while the model takes the pictures.
Photographer
MartinImages
Posts: 3872
Los Angeles, California, US
who, how often, or with what someone is screwing someone else has nothing to do with shooting them. I just plain don't get it.
I think you're working in a very gray area there, mister.
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Model
NC17
Posts: 1739
Baltimore, Maryland, US
darkfotoart wrote:
to be blunt , she did a shoot with a friend , before me a guy ive known 20 years. after the shoot she asked if he wanted a B.J. for a extra hundred bucks. she even told him he could be messy if he wanted. call me old fashioned but thats not a model i want to work with. She probably does it because it works. Do you blame her for seeking some extra cash? She wouldn't continue asking if it wasn't a successful tactic.
Photographer
GianCarlo Images
Posts: 2427
Brooklyn, New York, US
Interesting topic. A psychological one I think; complex.
Yes some people do need constant validation and praise. They seek attention, that's a big part of the fake boob market. A big part of wanting to be the Maxuim cover, the pin up, even when there's no chance of it. Even a big part of collecting tags and comments on this site.
Don't think it was about you. You just have to read between the lines and realize who you were dealing with; what makes them that way is very complicated.
Photographer
Aaron Schomburg
Posts: 31
Hastings, Minnesota, US
Just when I get bored, some one starts a great thread.
Photographer
darkfotoart
Posts: 982
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
NC17 wrote:
She probably does it because it works. Do you blame her for seeking some extra cash? She wouldn't continue asking if it wasn't a successful tactic. so you have no problem with getting x rated for extra money ?
Photographer
Sockpuppet Studios
Posts: 7862
San Francisco, California, US
ARNO!!!!
*runs by and hugs*
iona
Photographer
matt h
Posts: 138
Oakland, California, US
Experimental Photoworks wrote:
ARNO!!!!
*runs by and hugs*
iona Hey You! I still have prints (but no brass ring) for you. *hug*
Model
TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
arno wrote:
One photographer likened this to the brass ring. The attention that the model gets through the adulation and back and forth is affirmation of her attractiveness, and allows her to feel desired and beautiful. At the end of the day, that is what she really wants. Once she has it, she needs little more.
Is that it?
discuss. I wonder what that photographer would say about the same situation but with roles changed:
Photograher: You are awesome! Would love to shoot with you.
Model: Yes, your portfolio looks very interesting. Let's do it.
Photographer: Great! When you are available?
Model: I am available on .....
Photographer: dead silence (or writing a day before "sorry I have to re-schedule")
I've been in this situation couple times and could never figure out why such a sudden change? Is it something I posted in my port ? Or he ate for the dinner that night ?
Until I realize that there are people with this attitude all over the place, not only models and photographers, so I should just take it easy.
Model
Revel
Posts: 563
Richland, Washington, US
arno wrote:
This is, I suppose, a variant on the "no show model" theme, but it's a recurring issue. (I'm just analyzing--I think the only response is to move on...).
Model: Love your work, want to shoot, can't wait.
Me: Sounds great..here are some ideas.
Model: Ok, that's fabulous, can't wait.
Me: Here are some potential dates,
Model:
One photographer likened this to the brass ring. The attention that the model gets through the adulation and back and forth is affirmation of her attractiveness, and allows her to feel desired and beautiful. At the end of the day, that is what she really wants. Once she has it, she needs little more.
Is that it?
discuss. Funny. I've seen Photogs do this often too. Could it be, just possibly, that the brass ring theory hold true for *people*, not only the model subset?
Model
NC17
Posts: 1739
Baltimore, Maryland, US
darkfotoart wrote:
so you have no problem with getting x rated for extra money ? Depends on the context. I have done pornography before, its not much fun honestly because I prefer to get into my partners mind and that can't be done in a matter of minutes. Doing it this way, no, I wouldn't do that, its unprofessional and not part of the negotiated shoot.
Seriously though, think about it. She wouldn't be asking if it didn't work. How many guys do you think go for it? Particularly the gwc types that are so thrilled to be allowed to take pictures of pretty girls anyway. She's smart enough to capitalize on a weakness. I don't think its a very good idea, but it obviously works. Can you blame her? Reverse it: Would you turn down $100.00 in cash if all you needed to do was get a blowjob?
Photographer
Aaron Schomburg
Posts: 31
Hastings, Minnesota, US
NC17 wrote:
Depends on the context. I have done pornography before, its not much fun honestly because I prefer to get into my partners mind and that can't be done in a matter of minutes. Doing it this way, no, I wouldn't do that, its unprofessional and not part of the negotiated shoot.
Seriously though, think about it. She wouldn't be asking if it didn't work. How many guys do you think go for it? Particularly the gwc types that are so thrilled to be allowed to take pictures of pretty girls anyway. She's smart enough to capitalize on a weakness. I don't think its a very good idea, but it obviously works. Can you blame her? Reverse it: Would you turn down $100.00 in cash if all you needed to do was get a blowjob? That's not my usual day rate. LOL
Photographer
Tom Winstead
Posts: 551
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
Jessalyn wrote:
so how do you explain it when the situation is switched? why do photogs do that too? Beats me. I've only had experience with flaky models, not photographers...
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
darkfotoart wrote:
to be blunt , she did a shoot with a friend , before me a guy ive known 20 years. after the shoot she asked if he wanted a B.J. for a extra hundred bucks. she even told him he could be messy if he wanted. call me old fashioned but thats not a model i want to work with. Interesting concept. You won't work with a model because she offers an optional service in addition to what you would be paying her for. Did "just say no" ever cross your mind? She seems to understand it as an option, and there is nothing on the record to indicate that she is insisting on the extra as part of a photography deal.
Model
NC17
Posts: 1739
Baltimore, Maryland, US
Aaron Schomburg wrote:
That's not my usual day rate. LOL LOL. If I'm gonna be easy, I'm definately not going to be cheap! 
Photographer
C R Photography
Posts: 3594
Pleasanton, California, US
arno wrote:
Is that it? Seasoned shooters will tell you yes, hence why I no longer do TFPâs 
Photographer
BlackWatch
Posts: 3825
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Jessalyn wrote:
or boinking her. She said boink...
Photographer
Lotus Photography
Posts: 19253
Berkeley, California, US
NC17 wrote:
LOL. If I'm gonna be easy, I'm definately not going to be cheap! like the old saw,
fast, neat, chrap.. you can have 2 out of three
/don't realy have anything nifty to add, thread was going to page two
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