Leah Manzari wrote:
I worked as a men's magazine model for more than 10 years and NO you should never shoot a full magazine spread on spec.  NEVER.  PM me if you want more information...

Hello Danni . . . . how nice to see you on the other side of the camera !

I've often spoke of you and how genius you were in your endeavors . . . !

Congratulations ! !

Ken Marcus . . .

P.S. . . . .To this day, I'm still using DHD to process my memberships !

Without your advice and encouragement, I wouldn't have started my website when I did . . . Thank You !!

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Hello Danni . . . . how nice to see you on the other side of the camera !

I've often spoke of you and how genius you were in your endeavors . . . !

Congratulations ! !

Ken Marcus . . .

P.S. . . . .To this day, I'm still using DHD to process my memberships !

Without your advice and encouragement, I wouldn't have started my website when I did . . . Thank You !!

Aww... Thanks Ken!  So nice to hear from an old friend   Are there any others here that I would know from the old days?  I heard Steve Hicks passed last year - so sad...

Leah Manzari wrote:

Aww... Thanks Ken!  So nice to hear from an old friend   Are there any others here that I would know from the old days?  I heard Steve Hicks passed last year - so sad...

Not that I'm aware of . . . . there are hardly any of us 'old timers' left that remember the days of using a chisel and a rock to carve out the pixels to make jpgs.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Not that I'm aware of . . . . there are hardly any of us 'old timers' left that remember the days of using a chisel and a rock to carve out the pixels to make jpgs.

That must have been difficult and time consuming.   

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Not that I'm aware of . . . . there are hardly any of us 'old timers' left that remember the days of using a chisel and a rock to carve out the pixels to make jpgs.

http://malibu.patch.com/groups/obituari … phen-hicks

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Hello Danni . . . . how nice to see you on the other side of the camera !

I've often spoke of you and how genius you were in your endeavors . . . !

Congratulations ! !

Ken Marcus . . .

P.S. . . . .To this day, I'm still using DHD to process my memberships !

Without your advice and encouragement, I wouldn't have started my website when I did . . . Thank You !!

Jennifer Self wrote:
Hello,
    I've been working mostly with artistic photographers who pay me outright for nude shoots.  I had this request from a professional photographer and I don't know whether to take it seriously/believe him or not... 
"Well there would be no pay unless they want to use you. We are doing a submission shoot so we would need to do the shoot first, submit them and see if they like you.  If they do decide to use you then you would make about $1200.00 for the shoot."

Is it normal to do a "full spread" shoot for free??

I think it is normal for a model to do "Full Spread" shoots for free. Many of the models that have shot with me have done so. If you think your ladybits are special and deserve extra compensation, then ask for it and the market will tell you. For me, Just to photograph a model's ladybits is subordination and objectifying her. I would rather photograph the woman and have her seen as a whole entity. If you want to sexualize your ladybits, then that is up to you. Typically, Penthouse does sexualize their models and reproductive system. If you want to take the chance on publication and want to be known for that type of photography, then go for it. If you are asking if the photographer is making a legitimate offer, then you need to do your own due diligence on him and submission process.

Leah Manzari wrote:
I worked as a men's magazine model for more than 10 years and NO you should never shoot a full magazine spread on spec.  NEVER.  PM me if you want more information...

I don't know, its not unusual..
The director of productions for penthouse has told me other things..
Including submitting pictorial sets of pictures...
and yes I've shot for them.

If the O.P is still reading this...
I can give you an email to the person who hired me..
So you can send the pictures your self directly..
I can even text or message, to let him know to be expecting test shots from you..


Soo there was once a story about a girl who use to be a boy who wanted to get in Penthouse... Not sure if its urban legend... Penthouse kinda laughed it off and said un true.. When I had mentioned it...
But yeah.... I think they want to make sure.... If you know what I mean..

Leah Manzari wrote:
Whether or not Penthouse may accept layouts from a photographer shot on spec is a completely different topic...  Should a model shoot on spec in a genre she's never shot before with a photographer she doesn't know - NO.   Because, once she gives up a copy of her ID and signs the release, those pictures can end up anywhere and it probably won't be Penthouse. 

If you really want to be in a particular magazine, the best way to do that is to contact the editors directly with plain nude shots of yourself.  No makeup, no costuming, no retouching - front, back, side.  If they like your look, they'll send you to the photographer of their choice...

This!

and if I'm putting two and two together from the previous few posts, this person is one of the most knowledgeable in that field... If my assumption is correct.

Also, I've worked with Penthouse too. ...and Ken! Not Danni though... Lol.

JSouthworth wrote:
In a way it makes no difference because if the photographer was a real pro, there wouldn't be a question as to whether or not he could sell the pictures. .

Oh yeah!
You're NOT a PRO unless your photos have been purchased  by Penthouse!

(smh)

JSouthworth wrote:
The owners of Penthouse went bankrupt in 2018 according to this;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penthouse_(magazine)

Nevertheless there is an active website;

https://penthousemagazine.us/

At one time there were different editions of Penthouse magazine in several other countries as well as the US and UK.

Surely a professional with experience of working in this market will have a pretty good idea as to whether or not he can sell his pictures of a particular model to a particular client.

Or maybe a professional with experience (as opposed to you) would know that the environment for paid or any form of submission/publishing for US magazines is dramatically different now in 2022 than it was in 2014 when the question was asked. I'm not going to waste even a minute explaining it to you because I don't think you would understand if you even bothered to listen (which seems unlikely), but chance of securing a paid/published submission in a magazine like Penthouse is virtually nil.

Dan Howell wrote:
Or maybe a professional with experience (as opposed to you) would know that the environment for paid or any form of submission/publishing for US magazines is dramatically different now in 2022 than it was in 2014 when the question was asked. I'm not going to waste even a minute explaining it to you because I don't think you would understand if you even bothered to listen (which seems unlikely), but chance of securing a paid/published submission in a magazine like Penthouse is virtually nil.

That might be a good line to use if you were, as opposed to me, an unscrupulous type of person trying it on with an inexperienced and naive model. But really, nobody today does that kind of modelling work on spec. You might just as well approach someone in a bar and ask them whether they'd like to pay you, say $250.00 to go back to your place and take all their clothes off so that you can take naked pictures of them to sell on the street.

Why have the sales of magazines like Playboy and Penthouse declined? It probably has something to do with the fact that the photography in those magazines is predictable and boring.

Who do you think is to blame for that situation?

JSouthworth wrote:
Who do you think is to blame for that situation?

Ok, here's the part you probably won't understand. In the 2000s there were a few different factors that combined to virtually crush the market for magazine sales.
-consolidation of magazine distribution in North America into the hands of essentially 2 or 3 companies which control the lion's share of magazine rack spaces in North America. That consolidation gave one company in particular more control of fees and policies regarding payments to magazines, specifically, high cover price magazines like Playboy, Penthouse and adult magazines generally did not have to front costs for distribution placement like other magazines might have to pay. That policy ended in 2015, meaning that those titles had to come up with a fee up front to be sold in most racks. Numerous magazines reduced print-run sizes and others simply closed as a result.
-advertising sales for print publications faced new competition to online exposure. advertising rates were based on a $ cost per impression. Formerly, print impressions were sold at a rate roughly 10x the cost of digital/online impressions. This had two strong impacts for magazines editorial. One was a reduction of editorial budgets due to declining circulation and digital audiences (even at the same size) were bringing in 1/10th of the revenue for magazines which did an adequate job of transitioning to digital  (and many didn't). New digital-only publications have not yet proven to be profitable to the point they have anywhere near the editorial budgets of print magazines of the past.

So basically, there are fewer magazines and those remaining magazines have tighter budgets. The original question was about potential fees for posing for a magazine. My response was to point out that the financial environment for compensation  for magazine editorial is vastly different now than when the question was asked. Your response was laughably demonstrative of your utter lack of practical knowledge about the subject.

JSouthworth wrote:
Penthouse might have been a good name to drop in the 1970s, but now?

"The kids of today must defend themselves against the seventies"- Mike Watt

veypurr wrote:
"The kids of today must defend themselves against the seventies"- Mike Watt

I'm just wondering about the extent to which most models today would identify with Penthouse as a brand name.

The Penthouse magazine of the early 1970s had very little in common with today's version.

The early 1970s were a period of economic depression, and people tended to be less credulous and more critical than they had been in the 1960s, and more commercially minded.

The film Eskimo Nell (1974) satirises the UK sex film industry as it was at that time. Escort Girls from 1974 is another worthwhile entry in the cycle of British 1970s adult films.

Jefferson Cole wrote:
Jennifer, I can shoot you with guaranteed publication in the Penthouse International print version, but first I'll need you credit card  information to reserve the studio.

WTF?

The photographer always pays the studio, if they don't have their own place to work in. Unless it's the model organising a workshop or group shoot type of event.

Jefferson Cole wrote:
Humor dies here.💀

(Do you really think ASMP member photographers don't know who pays studio rent❓)

One thing a professional would never do is ask someone for their credit card details

Jefferson Cole wrote:
Jennifer, I can shoot you with guaranteed publication in the Penthouse International print version, but first I'll need you credit card  information to reserve the studio.

JSouthworth wrote:
WTF?

The photographer always pays the studio, if they don't have their own place to work in. Unless it's the model organising a workshop or group shoot type of event.

Jefferson Cole wrote:
Humor dies here.💀

(Do you really think ASMP member photographers don't know who pays studio rent❓)

JSouthworth wrote:
One thing a professional would never do is ask someone for their credit card details