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Is it "theft"? Are ideas or concepts exclusive?
tog is shorthand for typing on the internet not a term one uses out loud lol like txt for text - but more worth it Nov 15 06 02:24 am Link . Nov 15 06 02:45 am Link Is it "theft"? Are ideas or concepts exclusive? to put it plain and simple... yes it is theft and yes ideas or concepts are exclusive! Nov 15 06 02:47 am Link Lighthouse Studios wrote: Are you sure? I was speaking to a lawyer who specializes in this kind of work recently about a project I'm working on, and she said that you can't copyright an idea/concept. (Though you may be able to copyright one specific manifestation of the idea, once it reaches concrete form.) Nov 15 06 10:29 am Link I agree with what another photographer said and I believe it applies to models as well. We need to help each other, we need to stay connected and communicate. We are in competition with each other, but we're also colleagues. A community of hopefuls and wannabes and without each other (photographers and models) we're nothing. I'll end this rant with a great quote from the good Dr. Thompson âI feel the same way about disco as I do about herpes.â Oops! Sorry not that one, this one. âI have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours.â Nov 15 06 10:48 am Link [b]Go tell Microsoft not to copy the iPod[/b[ Each Jazz musician tells you he listened to Coltrane. Gillezpie, etc. Each builds on former work. E G O ! I learned from Ansel Adams book about edges. We learn everyday from each other. Until you invent a cure for cancer ; shut up. Nov 15 06 10:53 am Link What sort of world would it be if creative people refused to share their ideas? Nov 15 06 10:54 am Link Shyly wrote: I work as a creative director for an advertising/marketing firm ... creative property is a tricky subject. Unless the design work is registered it is relatively unprotected. I've been taken to court over some creative property issues in the past when clients demanded all of the work that produced the final outcome of a project and the court ruled that they only owned the final printed/produced product. not the supporting elements and thinking. again ... tricky. Would vary from case to case. Nov 15 06 10:59 am Link To copy 1 other photograph/er is plagiarism. To copy 20 other photograph/ers is inspiration. Nov 15 06 11:01 am Link timothy dolph wrote: It's so funny, I purchased all my "danger" and "caution" tape at Lowe's because they looked like they would make fun outfits for models showing off their tattoos. I buy a TON of theatrical quality fake blood and have done for eight years (before I started doing photography of models, since I've only done that consistently for eight months). Nov 15 06 11:01 am Link I agree with Mike Walker Nov 15 06 11:14 am Link Take anything you want from me....... I would be flattered! Ie: A girl in a bathtub with soapy water - how many have your seen? This theme has been beaten to death but it is still popular and probably always will be as long as wemen bathe! LOL LOL LOL It ain't theft.... so do your thing! Nov 15 06 11:18 am Link 'Concepts' and 'ideas' are fair game. Especially here in the world of makebelieve. Now if you are copying something very closely that you saw in some registerd campaign or ad to use in your own registered campaign or ad for some client..... well, I would steer clear of that. Because people get sued for that all the time. I should know, as an attorney, my wife does a lot of the sueing. Most of the time it's trademark infringment and not the actual imagery that is copied. If you see something you like and want to duplicate it right down to the fingernail color on the model here on your fancy shmansy port, go right ahead as the image will probably only have the photographers "copyright" which means very little and NOT an actual "registration" which means quite a bit more. Now this is going to sound very assholelike but the bottom line is that if you see something here in the wonderful world of MM that is not a registered image and you have a client that wants you to duplicate it in a photoshoot (even with the same model) and use it as a registered image in a campaign, then that photog is just shit outta luck. But don't ever show your face around here afterward or you might be subject to some big nasty words in some forum that will most likely end up in the 'pit'. Heh. Nov 15 06 11:36 am Link It's theft when somebody steals YOUR work and uses or publishes it. When you see YOUR work turn up without your knowledge of it's use, credit, or compensation. If a had a penny every time i saw an ad treat replicated on the national scene! ... Designers like David Carson ... referenced for over a decade ... Painting? Photography? how does a genre evolve? Point blank: without reference we'd have nothing. If you haven't ever tried to use a treatment or concept as a reference than you certainly are beyond human means. Good job! Otherwise ... i think that's the way art evolves. Be flattered if you are referenced. Nov 15 06 11:51 am Link A person only calls it stealing when someone else outdid him/her. Nothing under the sun is new. Nothing. Even if you never saw it before as a photo, you read the idea in a book, you heard it sung in a song, you saw it live in a play, you marvelled at it in a painting. Not to say that there has never been copying of the underhanded nature to ever happen. But to draw inspiration from someone else's work and attempt to emulate it is completely normal and natural. Not something to look upon with contempt. Oddly, I find that most people who carry such a haughty demeanor over such things to be wildly guilty of copying themselves... if, perhaps, unwittingly. I've seen blatant photographic copies of Rembrandt that would constitute highway robbery the copying was so close. It was in no way original considering the painting was a blueprint. But it was brilliantly done and the resulting photo was gorgeous. There are so many so-called, self-proclaimed "original thinkers" with cameras around her regurgitating the photos they've seen in Newton's archives it's a shame. They're not original. But it doesn't mean that they can't produce magnificent work. The day someone views my work and is inspired to create... the day that someone says "I want to do a shot like his!" the day that my work moves others to try similar things with their own spin on it... ...is the day I've arrived. Nov 15 06 12:40 pm Link photiesto wrote: No, drawing inspiration is not forbidden, you just happened to correspond with a jackass to put it frankly. I find it interesting that someone would reply in that manner when I'm positive he is not operating in a vacuum without any outside influences. We've all studied other photographers work and wanted to recreate the lighting, the feel, etc. Nov 15 06 12:49 pm Link All photographers borrow (or steal) from others before them, whether they realize it or not. That being the case, you might as well borrow/steal from the best... Nov 15 06 12:59 pm Link Shyly wrote: haha um..yes and i own space monkeys that know how to make spaghetti! Nov 15 06 12:59 pm Link I just felt I should add something, to clarify a little on the specifics if the "idea" that I was drawing from... What I had seen in the photographers port wasn't a setup, put a photoshop technique - layering two photos together, blending opacity to create an effect like this:  (not my photo, of course) I have yet to do any experimenting with this technique, but.. I absolutely LOVE the effect. I Have no desire to re-create any of the other guys' work, just apply a technique to my OWN work.  Nov 15 06 02:54 pm Link Well, since 400000 other photographers have done that idea, I wouldn't worry about where you happened to see it. Nobody here could show me a photo concept I haven't seen already- and if they managed it, it's merely my ignorance, not their originality. Did Schatz take the first pool nudes? Nope- but he did it really really well. That's what matters. Nov 15 06 03:09 pm Link photiesto wrote: Ok I changed my mind. It IS stealing. In fact...nobody is allowed to use the Multiple Blend Mode or Layer Masks ever again because it would be stealing from the originator lol. Nov 15 06 03:16 pm Link an Idea can not be copyrighted. copying someone's work can lead to an infringement on their copyright. there is no specific line as to what is infringement and what is not. use your best judgment and do what you can. there is a difference between being inspired by someone's work and making a derivative work Jim Nov 15 06 03:18 pm Link Get your inspiration wherever you can. Water your plant and see what it turns into... Nov 15 06 03:18 pm Link Taylor Photography wrote: actually there is a legal way tp patent an idea. i forget the exact name of the attorney. Nov 15 06 03:26 pm Link I do think it's pretty shady when a photographer copies another to a tee.. Like a particular photographer in my area who is well known to copy other photog's photos from the outfit, the setting, pose, etc... Almost identical, just a different model. To learn and be inspired is one thing, but... Come on! Use your own creativity to turn it into something of your own. Ya' know... Nov 15 06 03:33 pm Link Simpson's did it! ;-) Nov 15 06 03:37 pm Link photiesto wrote: "Good artists copy. Great artists steal" â Picasso Nov 15 06 04:46 pm Link Lol that photographer is a tool for saying that to you! Nov 15 06 04:48 pm Link I once saw a photo and tried to recreate it in my style with Chanti (MM 2266 - Great model, book her now!) but only after asking for permission of the orignal photographer. He said it was ok, provided I shared the results. Sorry, can't post it here (18+). There is a shot of it in my portfolio, 4th page, next to a lady dressed up like a certain Sat. morning cartoon character... Nov 15 06 09:32 pm Link Pablo Picasso: " If there is something to steal, I steal it!." " Success is dangerous. One begins to copy oneself, and to copy oneself is more dangerous than to copy others. It leads to sterility." "Bad artists copy. Great artists steal." I think this photog. who objected to your drawing inspiration from his images is no Pablo Picasso. Nov 15 06 09:40 pm Link photiesto wrote: People were using this idea long before the invention of the computer. Nov 15 06 09:44 pm Link photiesto wrote: Ask Richard Avedon this question...or Man Ray...or Liebowitz...(but I digress) Nov 15 06 09:48 pm Link One of the most interesting points is that,there are NO, and I quote NO secrets when it comes to photography,,we learn from what we see,I have been a photographer for well over 30 years and my ego is not so blocked that I cannot admire the works of many good shooters, I,ve learned from the late Helmut Newton, to Guy Bourdin who have since passed on but left fantastic images in the world of advertiseing and fashion I teach photography workshops in my studio and I find it flattering that many of my students try to copy my style but I expect that for I am the teacher which they learn from but my clients always come back to the master,sure I tell them to try and see from a different point of view sometime they do and sometimes they don,t So I always say check your ego,s at the door before you come into my studio, learn to practice the art of humility,I have learned that if you are charming,and have great people skills and know how to have passion in this industry you can go very far . 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