Forums > General Industry > No Nudes, No Topless

Photographer

HUmby_G

Posts: 197

Los Angeles, California, US

One Question: Why do models say "I DO NOT DO Nudes and or Topless" but in their port they have nude and or topeless images. Am i missing something here?

Nov 09 06 07:37 am Link

Photographer

Justin N Lane

Posts: 1720

Brooklyn, New York, US

HUmby_G wrote:
One Question: Why do models say "I DO NOT DO Nudes and or Topless" but in their port they have nude and or topeless images. Am i missing something here?

please search this topic... thers are several HUNDRED posts on it.

Nov 09 06 07:38 am Link

Photographer

D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

General answer - they won't model nude or topless indiscriminately, and it is easier to say "never" than to say "not with you."

-Don

Nov 09 06 07:43 am Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 13020

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

It's winter now,
Maybe they only do nudes in the summer?

Or more likely they got sick of MM trolls flooding their inbox insisting that it is a photographers god given right to shoot the model nude.
Cause models arn't allowed to pick and choose who they shoot nude with.

If you shot nude with photographer-X you must shoot nude with me!
IT's the law.... Damit!!!

Nov 09 06 08:18 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

HUmby_G wrote:
Am i missing something here?

Yes. The 9,000 other threads about this.

Nov 09 06 09:14 am Link

Photographer

Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Daniela V wrote:

Yes. The 9,000 other threads about this.

And the memo.

Nov 09 06 09:14 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Ransom J wrote:

And the memo.

And the film at 11.

Nov 09 06 09:29 am Link

Photographer

Mark Reese Photography

Posts: 21622

Brandon, Florida, US

Daniela V wrote:

And the film at 11.

If you're in the film I'll be sure to watch at 11.

Nov 09 06 09:31 am Link

Photographer

Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Daniela V wrote:

And the film at 11.

and the boat.

Nov 09 06 09:31 am Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 13020

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

Daniela V wrote:
And the film at 11.

You got them naked on "the film at 11"?
Well shit they have to get naked for me now!
It's like the Law.

Nov 09 06 09:31 am Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28822

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Sometimes, just for fun I will e-mail a random model who says "NO NUDES, DON'T ASK" and tell her,

"Ok, this is what you're gonna do. You're going to shoot nudes with me. End of story. I have time this week. What day's best for you?"

Sometimes they e-mail me back and tell me to fuck off. And that makes me laugh. But the real fun starts when they run to the forums and start a thread about it. Then they get all worked up and wind up saying stupid shit and in the end get themselves banned. Funny shit.

Nov 09 06 09:33 am Link

Model

K Ann

Posts: 713

Renton, Washington, US

Maybe with a little coaxing, something to sweeten the deal? wink

Nov 09 06 09:34 am Link

Photographer

Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

John Jebbia wrote:
Sometimes, just for fun I will e-mail a random model who says "NO NUDES, DON'T ASK" and tell her,

"Ok, this is what you're gonna do. You're going to shoot nudes with me. End of story. I have time this week. What day's best for you?"

Sometimes they e-mail me back and tell me to fuck off. And that makes me laugh. But the real fun starts when they run to the forums and start a thread about it. Then they get all worked up and wind up saying stupid shit and in the end get themselves banned. Funny shit.

Well technically you are respecting their wishes.  You didn't ASK.  You demanded!!

Nov 09 06 09:35 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Ransom J wrote:

and the boat.

and the....

um...

dammit. no follow up. you win.

Nov 09 06 09:36 am Link

Photographer

Damon Hunt

Posts: 130

Washington, District of Columbia, US

KelseyAnn wrote:
Maybe with a little coaxing, something to sweeten the deal? wink

What was the magic phrase that worked on you?

Nov 09 06 09:37 am Link

Photographer

Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Daniela V wrote:

and the....

um...

dammit. no follow up. you win.

HUZZAH!

Nov 09 06 09:38 am Link

Model

jade83

Posts: 2253

Columbia, Missouri, US

...ok, ok, no "magic phrase" for me...except for the all-out artistic stuff, me being in shadow against the lights, sheer fabric-that last one clinched the deal. I bought a sheer robe and will do it again...I like the color and the fact of artistic stuff not being a mens' magazine cover.

Nov 09 06 11:14 am Link

Model

KatieK

Posts: 619

Lawrence, Kansas, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
General answer - they won't model nude or topless indiscriminately, and it is easier to say "never" than to say "not with you."

-Don

Ding, ding, ding!!!  I think we have a winner!

Nov 09 06 11:18 am Link

Photographer

House of DL

Posts: 523

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Ransom J wrote:

And the memo.

Dammm... was not copied on the Memo again!!!!

Nov 09 06 11:19 am Link

Photographer

Dave Blecman

Posts: 1080

Annapolis, Maryland, US

I think if we put ourselves in the model's shoes, we'd soon find out why. Tons of e-mails go to the models that exhibit any degree of nudity or implied. We as photographers don't get inundated with bullcrap e-mails like they do.

Imagine if we had a photo of a puppy (naked of course) in our portfolio, and every day we got 25 e-mails asking us if we'll shoot someone's puppy.

Guess it could be like that.

That being said...any models want some really GREAT quality nude photos? LOL

Nov 09 06 11:23 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
General answer - they won't model nude or topless indiscriminately, and it is easier to say "never" than to say "not with you."

-Don

on the same lines of thinking...

Plenty of people (I'll include myself from time to time) will say NO TFP...but they do TFP with select photographers.

Maybe these girls have put in their profiles "nudes with select/experienced/published/whatever photographers only" and still got approached by GWC's that have been shooting the same crap for 20 years, and thus, consider themselves experienced.

Nov 09 06 12:58 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

HUmby_G wrote:
One Question: Why do models say "I DO NOT DO Nudes and or Topless" but in their port they have nude and or topeless images. Am i missing something here?

It's their way of letting you know they don't have their act together yet.  Do you really want to work with someone who isn't articulate enough to say "I do nudes on a selective basis with quality photographers"?  Why would you want to work with someone who can't even explain themselves properly?  Nobody's that good looking.

The "I-don't-do-nudes-but-have-them-in-my-port" routine is at the top of my "flake warning" checklist.

Nov 09 06 01:11 pm Link

Model

A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

they are stupid??

edit : oops sorry
Melvin said that

;-)

Nov 09 06 01:13 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Anjel Britt wrote:
they are stupid??

edit : oops sorry
Melvin said that

;-)

I never said "stupid" -- I know plenty of really smart people who don't have their act together.

Nov 09 06 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

HUmby_G wrote:
One Question: Why do models say "I DO NOT DO Nudes and or Topless" but in their port they have nude and or topeless images. Am i missing something here?

Yes, you are.



Such a statement followed by images to the contrary is merely Womanese for "I'll do nudes when I feel like it.  And I'd rather not have every Tom, Dick & Joe begging me to peel off my knickers.  I'm not in the business of making sure you aren't confused."

While you may think that these women are misleading you or whatever, they have every right to soil their profiles with whatever miscellaneous bullshit they can think up.  Just move on to a model who will shoot nudes and admit it.  There are plenty out there.

Nov 09 06 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

Jefferson Dorsey

Posts: 648

Nashville, Tennessee, US

my question is: is it really necessary?  do models really get inundated with requests for nudity? (I've only heard opinions, most from non-models).

why must anything be said at all?  It puts me off immediately when I see a profile with "NO NUDES!"  It's like they are calling me a pervert, even though I'm not shooting (well, posting) nudes.  and it's unprofessional.  if someone asks for nudity, just say no (or yo)!

Nov 09 06 06:30 pm Link

Photographer

HUmby_G

Posts: 197

Los Angeles, California, US

Wow, that is why I love this site. Many kind people, here to help others. I would like to thank each and everyone of you for your comments. You all have been very helpful.

Thank you all

Humberto ;o)

Now please view my port and leave a comment or two . . . .

Nov 09 06 10:48 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Reese Photography

Posts: 21622

Brandon, Florida, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

I never said "stupid" -- I know plenty of really smart people who don't have their act together.

I resemble that remark.

Nov 09 06 10:51 pm Link

Model

Josie Nutter

Posts: 5865

Seattle, Washington, US

...

>_<



Edited to add: and yeah, for what it's worth, a lot of models ARE inundated with offers to shoot nude... and not only that but nude for TFP.

I got a LOT more of that sort of thing when I started out; I think experienced models are less of a draw to that particular kind of photographer (the one giving the rest of you guys a bad name, and making models nervous about shooting without escorts).  Inexperienced models are usually more easily manipulated, I'd guess.

Until I put the "no nudes" thing in my portfolio, I still got them fairly often.  Now?  None at all.

Maybe I just became fugly. :p

Nov 10 06 12:22 am Link

Photographer

Tim Baker-fotoPerfecta

Posts: 9877

Portland, Oregon, US

I shot a "No Nudes" model ... her b.f. was here to ensure that didn't happen (an escort, but a nice guy).  Anyway, what she wore for the shot was a lot more suggestive than nudity.  Finally, as we were wrapping up she ask if I'd shoot some shots of her b.f. and her.  I said sure, why not. Well, she made him strip and got nekkie ...and the rest is history.

/tim

Nov 10 06 12:30 am Link

Model

Shanna

Posts: 78

Weatherford, Oklahoma, US

i have some edited nudes. basicly because thats all i have. because i used to do nudes but i got out of that shit. i have better things to do with my life

Nov 10 06 12:35 am Link