Ron Casas wrote:
Bizarre or brilliant, crazy or creative, or  perverse or passionate, sick or superb..

I like your illiteration.

And don't worry about model rates and demands.  Fish out the ones you'd be happy shooting, and go with that.  Your comparison to college art models and photographers' models is valid, but it is  a fact that photographers' models get paid loads more than artists' models.  That's just the way it works.  [shrug.]  Also, it's old news to the folks here that models demand so much money because photographers have offered/given them that much in the past.

digital Artform wrote:
A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's wheel sticking out of his pants.

The bartender says, "Why do you have a ship's wheel sticking out of your pants?"

The pirate replies, "Arrr. I don't know, but it's driving me nuts."

That's always been one of my favorites.
Well, not always.. Just since the first time I heard it.



..Holy crap I almost have 2,000 posts.  .

digital Artform wrote:
A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's wheel sticking out of his pants.

The bartender says, "Why do you have a ship's wheel sticking out of your pants?"

The pirate replies, "Arrr. I don't know, but it's driving me nuts."

Umm I am 41 yrs. old and have never heard that one.... ROFL.... and just about choked on my own saliva....lol

Wynd Mulysa wrote:

I like your illiteration.

And don't worry about model rates and demands.  Fish out the ones you'd be happy shooting, and go with that.  Your comparison to college art models and photographers' models is valid, but it is  a fact that photographers' models get paid loads more than artists' models.  That's just the way it works.  [shrug.]  Also, it's old news to the folks here that models demand so much money because photographers have offered/given them that much in the past.

It may well work for some to pay alot of money for a model, but for me it just does not work that way.

Ron

digital Artform wrote:
A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's wheel sticking out of his pants.

The bartender says, "Why do you have a ship's wheel sticking out of your pants?"

The pirate replies, "Arrr. I don't know, but it's driving me nuts."

that made my night...don't ask me why, it's silly as hell. 

Ron Casas wrote:

digital Artform wrote:
A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's wheel sticking out of his pants.

The bartender says, "Why do you have a ship's wheel sticking out of your pants?"

The pirate replies, "Arrr. I don't know, but it's driving me nuts."

Umm I am 41 yrs. old and have never heard that one.... ROFL.... and just about choked on my own saliva....lol

Ummm-I'm 53 and never heard it.

Dave Wright Photo wrote:
classroom models are not necessarily photographer's models.

just because they took a job posing for a classroom of Life Drawing 101 students, are being guaranteed 20hrs/wk @ 15/hr, are working with the director of the art department of the school you know, and maybe even running the circut of all the schools around town...

doesn't mean they'll go to some stranger's place and get naked for photos.

I shall soon find out if these models will work out for me or not, on the surface it sounds good to me but time will tell. I am stranger than some but not stranger than most…. At least in think this way…lol

Ron

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
Soo after 20 years of photograpahy you are not tallented enough to have models test/work for prints for you? Are your prints not worth a modeling session?

Even the Palo Alto Modeling Guild charges 135.00 hr for nude photographic models.
15.00 ish hour for sketches and drawing models.

I relize you say you may have exotic ideas but holding up a bikini top up, over exposing backgrounds, and a vasiline filter are not exactly earth shattering...

If you want to work in the art feild you have to promote your self as a artist.

My 20 yrs. of experience have not all been as a professional, Photography was a hobby for most of that time, and I mainly shot landscapes and still life photographs. I turned to photography as profession only three years ago when my family and I relocated to the east coast. I had been a corrections officer in California prior to the move. I then decided that working with the scum of the earth (and that was just the staff) was no longer what I would like to do for a living. Hope this gives you some insight on my background.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I don't get it.

Models have the right to charge whatever they want for their time.  Photographers have the right to decide what, if anything, they are willing the pay.  If these two figures overlap, then perhaps they will work together.  If not, not.

What's the big deal?

One other thought:  sometimes you get what you pay for.

excellent points.

people have the right to charge and not to charge, and to charge whatever they deem appropriate- and you have the right to say next, and not pay them.

and I'll second, third and fourth: you get what you pay for.

Ryan6663 wrote:
What i find funny is most jobs in the "real" modeling world are flat rates, not hourly lol....

Just skip the ones who are obviously clueless and demanding, and hire an agency model.

Eek...  don't know what agency you're dealing with.  most "Flat rates" are the girls' full day or half day rate, as figured by their hourly minumum.  Everything I book through my agency is either billed hourly (with a 4 hr. minimum) or paid up to 8 and overtime for anything worked over that.  They may not quote it directly to you like that, but it is based off their hourly rate.

But I do agree with the other stuff ya'll are saying- if you want a pro model, go to an agency.  If you can find girls for $25 that rock, hell yeah!  Good for you!  But don't be surprised if you find you get what you pay for!    Good luck!!

Wynd Mulysa wrote:

I like your illiteration.

And don't worry about model rates and demands.  Fish out the ones you'd be happy shooting, and go with that.  Your comparison to college art models and photographers' models is valid, but it is  a fact that photographers' models get paid loads more than artists' models.  That's just the way it works.  [shrug.]  Also, it's old news to the folks here that models demand so much money because photographers have offered/given them that much in the past.

Do you mean Alliteration?

Ron Casas wrote:
Bizarre or brilliant, crazy or creative, or  perverse or passionate, sick or superb. As artists we must think outside the box at the drop of a hat.

Finding a willing participant is at times not easy to do. I have ideas that may seem strange to some and down right brilliant to others.

How to get subjects in front of my lens for shoots that are not so strange is hard enough at times much less for some stuff that is just a bit outside the “norm.” I may have just found a great source of models that is land based and is down right cheep to hire one if they are willing…..

lol I live near a College for art and design they have a pool of models used by the students and are only asking $15.00 per hour to model….. That is right $15.00 per hour, I asked the agent will they do nude work and the answer was yes at the same rate…. 

Holy smokes… Seems like a dream come true but I will see how things work out with these models. I hope things go well with these models.

I will never have to even look on the net for some model wanting $100.00 - $150.00 per hr. and rights to use the photos on top of it. These models should be willing to do what some will not do, simply because they are either art students or have worked with art students and I am sure have been asked to do some stuff that is very creative.

Why I have not thought of this before now I have not a clue. All things happen in due time I guess.

Have you told them you a photographer, many art models do not model for photography at the same rate as for a class

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
Soo after 20 years of photograpahy you are not tallented enough to have models test/work for prints for you? Are your prints not worth a modeling session?

Even the Palo Alto Modeling Guild charges 135.00 hr for nude photographic models.
15.00 ish hour for sketches and drawing models.

I relize you say you may have exotic ideas but holding up a bikini top up, over exposing backgrounds, and a vasiline filter are not exactly earth shattering...

If you want to work in the art feild you have to promote your self as a artist.

My mind was completely blown by the rudeness of this comment. wow!

those who live in glass houses...

Ron Casas wrote:
Bizarre or brilliant, crazy or creative, or  perverse or passionate, sick or superb. As artists we must think outside the box at the drop of a hat. Finding a willing participant is at times not easy to do. I have ideas that may seem strange to some and down right brilliant to others. How to get subjects in front of my lens for shoots that are not so strange is hard enough at times much less for some stuff that is just a bit outside the “norm.” I may have just found a great source of models that is land based and is down right cheep to hire one if they are willing…..lol I live near a College for art and design they have a pool of models used by the students and are only asking $15.00 per hour to model….. That is right $15.00 per hour, I asked the agent will they do nude work and the answer was yes at the same rate….  Holy smokes… Seems like a dream come true but I will see how things work out with these models. I hope things go well with these models. I will never have to even look on the net for some model wanting $100.00 - $150.00 per hr. and rights to use the photos on top of it. These models should be willing to do what some will not do, simply because they are either art students or have worked with art students and I am sure have been asked to do some stuff that is very creative. Why I have not thought of this before now I have not a clue. All things happen in due time I guess.

If you love photography as much as you love models, there will always be something to shoot.