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I'm a little disappointed
So I'm new to MM and I've been browsing Model's profiles for a couple days now. And I keep reading on most of these girl's pages that they're not willing to do TFCD or TFP shoots because "it's too time consuming" or they're only doing paid jobs "from now". And it kind of turns me off a bit. I was a model for 10 years. I did runway for big designers, I did campaigns and tv commercials and lots of print work for magazines and I still did the occasional free test. I think models should always be testing when they are still starting out. I mean I look at these girl's pages and they have done a couple of photoshoots and they think they're done with the testing and they can move on to paid jobs only. I understand that they want to move up in this industry but I think testing is an important part of that. I personally prefer to shoot models that I know. So I know their vibe and I know we work well together. So when I shoot a big job that's paid for by the client I want to have a model I can make some magic with. So usually I will book a model I have tested with before. Oct 25 06 02:48 pm Link Agreed. Oct 25 06 02:49 pm Link Double Agreed. Paid work is great, but as a model you also need to keep the sword sharp and testing is the best way to do it (plus build your network). Oct 25 06 02:53 pm Link *YAWN* Sorry, but for some people, they just prefer to be paid, and that's perfectly fine. It is also perfectly fine for a photographer to decide that they don't want to pay a particular model. Is it wrong for a model to want to get paid? No. Is it wrong for a model to ask to get paid? No. Is it wrong for a photographer not to pay her/his models? No. Agreements between models & photographers are negotiations, and sometimes an agreement cannot be reached. That's no big deal -- that's business. So, what's the big hairy deal? What's the point in coming to this forum & ragging on models who want to get paid? The truth is this... Their careers may or may not be impacted by their decisions, and The models may or may not be smart enough to recognize these impacts. Oct 25 06 03:11 pm Link In my experience most MM models will do TFP if the photographer or concept is good. The list of demands seems to be designed to wean out the undesirables. (Or at least to get some cash from them) Oct 25 06 03:13 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: Ding ding ding! Oct 25 06 03:17 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: There is no Hairy big deal. If there was my headline would have stated 'hairy big deal'. Oct 25 06 03:18 pm Link Agreed as well. Models, as well as photographers should test for something new, different, for fun and practice. I've been shooting professionally for almost 25 years and I still love to test when there is something I want for myself. I am far more likely to hire a model for a job that I have worked with before. Oct 25 06 03:20 pm Link paid work is awesome, but most people lost the fun and creativity of modeling and go for nothing but cash now, its a sad sad thing. guess everyone wants to be a bajillionaire but dont want to work for it or even get to experience a fun free time. what the hell? Oct 25 06 03:21 pm Link For every persoon that won't shoot with you unless paid, there are 4 that are more than willing to swap talents. Oct 25 06 03:23 pm Link To play is to learn. Models who only work for pay aren't worth the money because their motivations are corrupt. Oct 25 06 03:26 pm Link Searcher wrote: well said Oct 25 06 03:28 pm Link Well I am not sure what part of Ca. you are in or what exactly you are looking for, but I am working TFCD/TFP. Being as I am a BBW model I don't get as many request for work paid or otherwise, people have a mental block against people of my build. If you are interested check out my profile and contact me Theresa Oct 25 06 03:35 pm Link Seductivebyatch wrote: Doesn't BBW mean Big Black Woman? Oct 25 06 03:39 pm Link I understand testing, I totally understand it and I do it all the time. but how are you supposed to actually get somewhere in this business if all anyone ever wants to do is trade? And how are you supposed to make any money when there are so many others that are willing to work for free? Alot of people don't seem to care about the quatlity of work, just the price tag, so they'll move on to the next available person who'll do it free. It's a never ending debate that will never be fully answered. Oct 25 06 03:40 pm Link One wins in this by applying talent to a policy of attrition. (FYI: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictiona … =attrition) Oct 25 06 03:44 pm Link Annique Delphine wrote: Most of the models' pages that say that still consider testing , or TFP. Oct 25 06 03:52 pm Link I think people have every right to work out the details of their talents.... Models have the right to charge, photographers have that same right.... Would you feel the same if this thread had been started by a model who was complaining that photographers want to be paid? I really think that the whole no TFP statement in a person portfolio could be read.... I get to choose who I want to work with... Its a statement that happens to scare of undesired GWC's without ever needing to say... Dude you suck... Oct 25 06 04:12 pm Link The brand new models with out a developed portfolio who only want high profile, big paying jobs, well they aren't going to get many contacts. You can't jump into the industry and start out right at the top, and some girls just don't get that. I have no problem with any models who dont want TFP/CD work, just means they are the kind of person I won't be contacting for anything, including paid jobs. Someone who is open to suggestion, and models because its something they love, and they want to make beautiful work, those people are going to be higher up on the priority list Oct 25 06 04:34 pm Link GWC means never having to think you suck. The true GWC is a true con-artist. Oct 25 06 04:46 pm Link ehhh alot of the people on this site are really clueless, so just read the profile and move on. Oct 25 06 06:05 pm Link Searcher wrote: WHOA. Oct 25 06 07:46 pm Link Annique Delphine wrote: This is my line of thinking too, and I have hired models for paid shoots that I know will show up and work well with my direction, because of the TFCD shoots in the past. Oct 25 06 07:54 pm Link NC17 wrote: Thanks NC, I felt that Searcher's statement was unfair as well. At the same time I agree that models who say "I will NEVER do x" run the risk of missing great opportunites. I personally turn down most of the TFP offers I get. Most of time, when I get a TFP offer, I look at the photographers work and decide that he/she is either not shooting the kind of work that I want in my book of his/her work is not of the quality that I aspire to maintain in my book. Every now and then I get an offer from someone who I consider to be a really talented photographer, with a great shoot concept and MUA / hair / stylists that I want to work with. When that happens I'm glad that my port doesn't say "never". Oct 25 06 08:13 pm Link Some people do this for business, some people do this for art, and some people do it because they have no clue what they are doing and like to pretend they are too important to be botherd. In the end, who cares? We can meet nice people anywhere. If they annoy you, click on. Life is sweet, time is precious, and we can be whatever we want it to be. Click Hamilton Oct 25 06 08:16 pm Link Sarah Ellis wrote: Never say never, usually say usually, don't always say always. Absolutes are rarely a way to go. Notice I didn't have any aboslutes in my above statement. I *do* some TFP, but its pretty much ONLY with photographers that I have worked with several times and know the outcome of the work will further my book at this point. And honestly, those shoots are few and far between just due to time. Thats the breaks of life. Oct 25 06 08:58 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: "Humanity is my business!" Oct 25 06 09:59 pm Link Searcher wrote: NC17 wrote: You want to do it but you cannot. That is a very different thing. Money to survive is important. Oct 25 06 10:06 pm Link Searcher wrote: LMAO... Oct 25 06 10:07 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: when I grow up Oct 25 06 10:11 pm Link If you love to do it, it shouldnt matter if you get paid or not...just my thoughts...personally i just like to be involved in the whole creative process  (sure making a few bucks off of it doesnt hurt every now and then, but as a whole, I just enjoy the experience!)Oct 25 06 11:56 pm Link Searcher wrote: Searcher wrote: You want to do it but you cannot. That is a very different thing. Money to survive is important. I totally agree with you. However, that is NOT what you said. I don't appreciate a blanket statement that is absolutely NOT true. If you want to correct your statement, I suggest you do so in a manner that clarifies directly what you meant, and not what actually came out of your mouth. And frankly, an apology would look better on your part than simply removing your foot from your mouth. Oct 26 06 09:40 am Link Model Mayhem: Where everybody wants to get paid and nobody wants to pay anyone. Maybe that could be a t-shirt? Oct 26 06 09:42 am Link Teri Hofford wrote: Again, I wish I could do it just because I enjoy it. Unfortunatley, at this point its a job because I need the money so that I can have a career when I end up old and wrinkled as is inevitable for everyone someday. I'm working basically 3 part time jobs to get to that goal. Please don't knock the people that are hard working for ligitimate reasons. Its not fair to us, I *do* love it, or it wouldn't be a "part time job," I don't do jobs anymore that I can't be passionate about. It just doesn't work. I love the experience, and I certainly hope it shows in the images. Oct 26 06 09:42 am Link What's the name of the horse that you're beating? I have in my profile that I'm not doing TFP from time to time. I'm always doing TFP...but I don't want to shoot TFP with GWCs. And those photographers that know for a fact they can add to my portfolio email regardless of whether I say I'm doing TFP or not. Because they know that I am, and they know I will do it with them. Don't believe everything you read. -D Oct 26 06 09:50 am Link Many models, photographers and MUA's say no TPF to keep all the requests for TFP to a minumum. But it has been my experience, if you talk to them they will usually make an exception if they like the concept and respect the work of the parties involved. You never know, it doesn't hurt to ask. Oct 26 06 09:50 am Link NC17 wrote: That'll be the day. Oct 26 06 10:08 am Link Searcher wrote: I agree with this statement to a certain extent. If a model is modeling full-time, I can see why she'd want to only be paid. However, in an event where, say, a model was asked to help with a campaign by a non-profit organization and demanded to be paid, I'd call it ridiculous. I definitely agree though, if you really enjoy what you're doing you shouldn't feel that everyone should HAVE to pay you. Oct 26 06 10:14 am Link In my opinion, for the photograher side, there's no money in "model photography". We're not paying the bills by setting up 4 or 5 shoots a week with models.... Most photographers that are making money "doing photography" are doing Weddings, Family Portraits, Working for newspapers, magazines, etc. The model thing, I think is more of a side job, just to take pictures of beautiful women. They dont work for playboy, but want to go through the motions of being a playboy photographer. Oct 26 06 10:20 am Link Searcher wrote: You made a blanket statement that allowed no room for other scenarios. How is that an assumption? And now you're attempting to claim that what you said wasn't a blanket statement. Whatever. Its written plain as day that your mind is closed and made up. How disappointing. Oct 26 06 01:04 pm Link |
