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Has anyone ever encountered this before.... During a shoot that I was at this year, everyone was working on a TFP basis and there was a full team assembled. As soon as I walked in, one of the team members said: "Hi. I might need to charge you a fee for my services." I said... "Um...this is a TFP arrangement- I'm not prepared to pay you, and you never mentioned that when we corresponded via email" She said.. "Oh..I guess that's OK." Has anyone ever had this happen before? Do models show up and suddenly demand payment....?Has this happened to other models with photographers? I'm curious how often this happens because I for one think it's just one more thing to add to the unprofessional list. If you have ever done this, please don't. It's best to discuss compensation right up front...don't spring it on those involved at the shoot. -D Oct 16 06 05:40 pm Link This stuff happens when a shoot is set up in a rush and not all details are finalized. Confusion is the human condition. -Don Oct 16 06 05:44 pm Link I arranged a TFCD shoot and ended up paying the model. Kind of opposite from what you decribe. The images were of a nature that neither of us would really use on a public portfolio (quite explicit nudity--I was trying something) and we new that before hand, but she did such a good job I paid her. Oct 16 06 05:44 pm Link I was once given $50 for gas...lol...can't say I've ever had anything like what you describe happen though. It's a good thing the person didn't back out when you said you wouldn't pay. THAT would've blown. Oct 16 06 05:48 pm Link Mac Swift wrote: I've had a photographer do that with me as well. The arrangement was TFP, but he ended up giving me compensation because I was willing to do so many shots. Oct 16 06 05:48 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Except this particular shoot was set up a month in advance...multiple emails and such... Oct 16 06 05:48 pm Link Always understand the terms of the shoot before you show up. ALWAYS. Jack Oct 16 06 05:49 pm Link jack for photos wrote: Duh. Oct 16 06 05:50 pm Link When I did a lot of TFP, I set up a TFP shoot with a model and we exchanged about 10 e-mails and 2 phone convos. Everything was clear (I thought) until the end of the shoot when she said "so we agreed on 150 for the shoot right?" I said....noooo we agreed on TFP and 20 bucks for gas. I can pull up the e-mails now if there is a discrepency." She said "Oooh no no it's cool, I think I have you mixed up with another photographer" Might have been true, personally I felt like she was trying to get one over at the time. But we ended up working together three more times and never had that problem again. Always got along, and I always sprang for lunch. Oct 16 06 05:56 pm Link usually when that has happened it is about the 10th email when trying to nail down a date... the model has forgotten that she contacted me... and that she wanted to work TFP.. Oct 16 06 06:02 pm Link I once assembled a team for TFP and at the end of the shoot I paid the model for her time, plus the pictures that were promised, then a 11"x14" print from our previous shoot, then my 2nd shooter took her and her chaperone for dinner. I hope that doesn't make me look unprofessional. Oct 16 06 06:07 pm Link Not only have I had a TFP model show up and demand pay, I had someone booked for a PAID promo gig the other day and she called me 2 hours before the gig to demand more $$$, knowing I had no time to get anyone else *sigh* Oct 16 06 06:18 pm Link "Hi. I might need to charge you a fee for my services." = "How easy would it be to milk you for some cash?" People who are seriously expecting to be paid don't say they MIGHT need to charge you. They say, is it alright if I go ahead and get a check from you up front? Daniela V wrote: Oct 16 06 06:28 pm Link Ive had photographers ask for TFP then try to charge fees after the shoot. I was furious. It was not the fees that made me angry because the fees were small and I would have paid them would I have been told in advance. It was the fact the individual deliberately tricked me. Oct 16 06 06:35 pm Link I've been paid on shoots that were previously determined to be TFP - not a lot, but even a token amount that did not have to be paid because of the previous arrangement. At that point it is just a very generous bonus, and while not necessary, greatly appreciated. However, to ask when not offered, when terms have already been decided by all involved, is quite unprofessional. If you don't like the terms, don't accept. I've also had the experience where I was offered an hourly rate for what was supposed to be a high-end jewelry shoot, and when I showed up it turned out to be crap sold at porn shops and "By the way they changed their mind on the budget - it's TFP now." At which point I walked out. Oct 23 06 07:39 pm Link These things should be discussed before the session. I think it's tacky to ask for money once you are at the photo session. If the model didn't understand that it was for "TFP" before the shoot, then it's not your fault. Oct 23 06 08:11 pm Link I generally take my models out to eat, but that's simply me being me. Nobody's tried the ol' switcheroo on me. Oct 23 06 08:14 pm Link Stephen Melvin wrote: yea I had my first dolsot bibimbap with Stephen. yum. I get it every time I got to a Korean restaurant now Oct 23 06 08:16 pm Link I had one model quote me some astronomical price to shoot 'nude' (I was responding to her request for a photographer on MM casting calls). I declined and wished her luck. She came back to me ... oh how about TFP, it's better than sitting around on my butt all day." She was so cute and polite, I ended up paying her anyway (not what she quoted, but some to help her out). We're going to shoot again. I also let models crash in the guest room if the shot's run long and they don't drive or want to take the bus. I've taken models out to dinner afterwards (or bought them dinner at the deli). I've bought models clothes and lingerie. It's all good. I actually had a model bring me cookies yesterday  Cheers, Tim Oct 23 06 08:24 pm Link I had a model demand gas money after a shoot. She totaly blind sided me...So I gave her gas money with a smile and somehow I forgot to send her images. havent heard from her either... interesting.. Oct 23 06 09:18 pm Link I had one model quote me some astronomical price to shoot 'nude' (I was responding to her request for a photographer on MM casting calls). I declined and wished her luck. She came back to me ... oh how about TFP, it's better than sitting around on my butt all day." She was so cute and polite, I ended up paying her anyway (not what she quoted, but some to help her out). We're going to shoot again. I also let models crash in the guest room if the shot's run long and they don't drive or want to take the bus. I've taken models out to dinner afterwards (or bought them dinner at the deli). I've bought models clothes and lingerie. It's all good. I actually had a model bring me cookies yesterday Cheers, Tim Oct 23 06 11:35 pm Link I had one model quote me some astronomical price to shoot 'nude' (I was responding to her request for a photographer on MM casting calls). I declined and wished her luck. She came back to me ... oh how about TFP, it's better than sitting around on my butt all day." She was so cute and polite, I ended up paying her anyway (not what she quoted, but some to help her out). We're going to shoot again. I also let models crash in the guest room if the shot's run long and they don't drive or want to take the bus. I've taken models out to dinner afterwards (or bought them dinner at the deli). I've bought models clothes and lingerie. It's all good. I actually had a model bring me cookies yesterday Cheers, Tim Oct 23 06 11:35 pm Link Vance wrote: I've been helping with gas money, too, if the model lives far out and with the prices going up, anything helps, I've found. It me $20 isn't going to kill me ... to many models, it may mean getting home or eating. Oct 23 06 11:37 pm Link Daniela V wrote: Yes. Oct 23 06 11:57 pm Link megafunk wrote: Nice Oct 24 06 08:42 am Link megafunk wrote: lmao Oct 24 06 08:50 am Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: No one takes me out for Korean... it's the best! Maybe my next shoot I'll demand Korean food afterward. Oct 24 06 08:55 am Link i work with top models i don't need to pay any model(s) if i need a model i'll call one of them.. pay a model ya ok...keep waiting... michel edgy models Oct 24 06 08:56 am Link In the original post it clearly states that the terms were discussed and all understood. The model decided to try to get extort cash, it failed. If the shoot is a TFP shoot and I decide to pay you something afterwords for the great work you did, ,,,,,that is called a TIP not a paid shoot? Oct 24 06 08:57 am Link Daniela V wrote: I have a story worse than that. Oct 24 06 10:25 am Link |
