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Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.  Not keeping them such, either accidently or intentionally, looks ridiculous.  Soooooooo... let's be careful out there!

Oct 10 06 06:13 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

How about an English lesson? That should be "its". wink

Oct 10 06 06:18 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

e-string wrote:
How about an English lesson? That should be "its". wink

I hate when I make that mistake...  its so embarrassing!  wink

Oct 10 06 06:22 pm Link

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e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:

I hate when I make that mistake...  its so embarrassing!  wink

haha.. I almost didn't notice that little joke smile

Oct 10 06 06:24 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.  Not keeping them such, either accidently or intentionally, looks rediculous.  Soooooooo... let's be careful out there!

So....

This is rediculous? sad Dang sad

https://www.pbase.com/digitalcmh/image/48963858.jpg

Oct 10 06 07:02 pm Link

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Mark J. Sebastian

Posts: 1530

San Jose, California, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.  Not keeping them such, either accidently or intentionally, looks rediculous.  Soooooooo... let's be careful out there!

nawwww...

Oct 10 06 11:32 pm Link

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CLT

Posts: 12979

Winchester, Virginia, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
I hate when I make that mistake...  its so embarrassing!  wink

LOL

Oct 10 06 11:36 pm Link

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Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Water finds it is own level...

Oct 10 06 11:39 pm Link

Photographer

CLT

Posts: 12979

Winchester, Virginia, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.  Not keeping them such, either accidently or intentionally, looks rediculous.  Soooooooo... let's be careful out there!

Don't forget the moon. It, too, pulls the water on Earth here and there.

But if you're complaining about waterscapes captured askew, I agree with you. I get sea sick if they aren't leveled.

Oct 10 06 11:41 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Oct 10 06 11:43 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22234

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine too.  I like my horizons, well, horizontal...

Oct 10 06 11:49 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22234

Stamford, Connecticut, US

e-string wrote:
smile http://www.modelplace.com/?op=img&photo … 9709c007eb (18+)

Thank you.

Thank you very much....

Oct 10 06 11:51 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Paramour Productions wrote:

Thank you.

Thank you very much....

I think it's a tad off, not quite perfect, but close enough!

Oct 10 06 11:54 pm Link

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FKVPhotography

Posts: 30064

Ocala, Florida, US

DigitalCMH wrote:

So....

This is rediculous? sad Dang sad

https://www.pbase.com/digitalcmh/image/48963858.jpg

Horizantal brings on a whole new meaning here.......

Oct 11 06 08:01 am Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

DigitalCMH wrote:

So....

This is rediculous? sad Dang sad

https://www.pbase.com/digitalcmh/image/48963858.jpg

This shot would lose nothing by being... level.

Oct 11 06 08:07 am Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

e-string wrote:
smile http://www.modelplace.com/?op=img&photo … 9709c007eb (18+)

Perfection!!!  And the model ain't bad either.  wink

Oct 11 06 08:07 am Link

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Wade Henderson

Posts: 1068

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US

e-string wrote:
smile http://www.modelplace.com/?op=img&photo … 9709c007eb (18+)

I'm sorry, your point? Was there a horizon in that image? smile

Oct 11 06 08:08 am Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

Paramour Productions wrote:
Yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine too.  I like my horizons, well, horizontal...

It really distracts one from seeing the intended image.  Our brain screams "something wrong" anytime we see horizons buggered; at least mine does.

I'm not one for suggesting we never break rules, but horizontal horizons should be law!  smile

Oct 11 06 08:09 am Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:

Perfection!!!  And the model ain't bad either.  wink

AND he shot that while he was sitting in a canoe!

Thanks wink

Oct 11 06 08:12 am Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

e-string wrote:

AND he shot that while he was sitting in a canoe!

Thanks wink

So, he drops you off on the world's (did I use the apostrophe correctly darlin'?) smallest island, then paddles away to shoot you.  God, I'd be soooooooo inclined to leave you there for awhile.  hehe

Oct 11 06 08:15 am Link

Photographer

nevar

Posts: 14670

Fort Smith, Arkansas, US

Well I know a few people who will make their horizons all squewed just to push the viewer to feel a but queasy.

I did this once with a perspective piece where the back ground was shot at an up level at about 45 degrees and the model was shot at about 15 degrees. I out these together to yet and generate a sense of vertago....

Oct 11 06 10:19 am Link

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yani

Posts: 1041

Matawan, New Jersey, US

https://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e217/Yanisworld/mspace/water7671w.jpg


Guess I should rotate this

Oct 11 06 10:24 am Link

Photographer

Lotus Photography

Posts: 19253

Berkeley, California, US

not sure what the op is talking about, but the earth is curved, horizon's can also be curved,

https://www.fuer-freun.de/background/photos/800x600/horizon.jpg

we usually see a straight horizon because we are looking at a small section of the horizon, and differentialy it looks straight..

Oct 11 06 10:29 am Link

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Lotus Photography

Posts: 19253

Berkeley, California, US

Oct 11 06 10:33 am Link

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giovanni gruttola

Posts: 1279

Middle Island, New York, US

lotusphoto wrote:
not sure what the op is talking about, but the earth is curved, horizon's can also be curved,

https://www.fuer-freun.de/background/photos/800x600/horizon.jpg

we usually see a straight horizon because we are looking at a small section of the horizon, and differentialy it looks straight..

No, the earth is flat (it must be true... they have their own website)!
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons … ociety.htm

Oct 11 06 10:35 am Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.

Actually, they are curved slightly. They only look level because you're very very small. smile   Since they're curved, there's only one point on the curve that defines a plane that is level relative to your position, namely at the tangent.

mjr.

Oct 11 06 10:38 am Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
This shot would lose nothing by being... level.

You're one of those, never break a "rule" kind of guy aren't you?  Stay inside the box where it's safe?

Oct 11 06 10:42 am Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:

So, he drops you off on the world's (did I use the apostrophe correctly darlin'?) smallest island, then paddles away to shoot you.  God, I'd be soooooooo inclined to leave you there for awhile.  hehe

He said that when he posted it on PhotoPoints. LOL

Yes you used the apostrophe correctly. wink

Oct 11 06 10:42 am Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:

It really distracts one from seeing the intended image.  Our brain screams "something wrong" anytime we see horizons buggered; at least mine does.

I'm not one for suggesting we never break rules, but horizontal horizons should be law!  smile

Yes and No.  For the shot I used as an example, it's not distracting.

But for THIS type of shot, it WOULD be.

https://www.pbase.com/digitalcmh/image/52640372.jpg

Oct 11 06 10:44 am Link

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Lotus Photography

Posts: 19253

Berkeley, California, US

https://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/triangle-puzzle.gif

Oct 11 06 10:50 am Link

Photographer

StMarc

Posts: 2959

Chicago, Illinois, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.

Untrue. Lateral acceleration on the container can cause the level of the liquid inside it to become non-orthogonal to local g. They do stay flat (or at least their curve is not usually visible to the naked eye,) absent localized turbulence or transient accelerations, but they don't always indicate the true horizon. Ask JFK Jr.

smile

M

Oct 11 06 01:16 pm Link

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CLT

Posts: 12979

Winchester, Virginia, US

lotusphoto wrote:
https://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/triangle-puzzle.gif

lol. trick question.

Oct 11 06 01:29 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Oct 11 06 01:29 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Ought To Be Shot wrote:
Let's have a little physics lesson!  Due to the nature of liquids AND the force of gravity... horizon lines remain perfectly level at all times.  Not keeping them such, either accidently or intentionally, looks rediculous.  Soooooooo... let's be careful out there!

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect.

Almost always the main subject is what must look correct.  If the horizon is not correct and it is in the background it is only distracting if it is too obvious.

https://www.raveneyes.com/335/pg03.jpg

Oct 11 06 01:31 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

ravens laughter wrote:
Well I know a few people who will make their horizons all squewed just to push the viewer to feel a but queasy.

I did this once with a perspective piece where the back ground was shot at an up level at about 45 degrees and the model was shot at about 15 degrees. I out these together to yet and generate a sense of vertago....

That effect would make me wanna ouke!  wink

Oct 11 06 01:41 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

lotusphoto wrote:
not sure what the op is talking about, but the earth is curved, horizon's can also be curved,

https://www.fuer-freun.de/background/photos/800x600/horizon.jpg

we usually see a straight horizon because we are looking at a small section of the horizon, and differentialy it looks straight..

I believe I said "level", not flat.  But yes, we all know that liquids will adopt a spherical form around a center of gravity.

Oct 11 06 01:45 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

Marcus J. Ranum wrote:

Actually, they are curved slightly. They only look level because you're very very small. smile   Since they're curved, there's only one point on the curve that defines a plane that is level relative to your position, namely at the tangent.

mjr.

I said LEVEL, not FLAT; there IS a difference!

Oct 11 06 01:47 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

DigitalCMH wrote:
You're one of those, never break a "rule" kind of guy aren't you?  Stay inside the box where it's safe?

If you read this entire thread, you would see me state, "I'm not one for suggesting we never break rules."  And if you knew anything about me, you know I don't always play safe!  smile

Oct 11 06 01:50 pm Link

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Tzalam

Posts: 548

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

just remeber if it'a real horizone it should be level
But in a room the only way to have a pitcutre look straight is to mach the vertical lines not horizontal  convergence optics

Oct 11 06 01:52 pm Link

Photographer

Ought To Be Shot

Posts: 1887

Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

StMarc wrote:

Untrue. Lateral acceleration on the container can cause the level of the liquid inside it to become non-orthogonal to local g. They do stay flat (or at least their curve is not usually visible to the naked eye,) absent localized turbulence or transient accelerations, but they don't always indicate the true horizon. Ask JFK Jr.

smile

M

The acceleration of our "container", this planet, is zero.  Horizons remain level at all times within the scope of photography.

Oct 11 06 01:56 pm Link