KM von Seidl wrote:
Are you upset you don't have a bunch of comments?

Sita Mae Edwards wrote:
I think giving unsolicited public critiques is tacky in the extreme.  If someone wants constructive criticism, they'll ask for it.  If they haven't asked, why should I presume that my opinion is so important that I need to foist it on someone else?  That's just rude.

EXACTAmundo Ms. Sita!


(unless of course it's a white knight concierge posting on "THE THREAD" as to why he's the best photographer and protector of women--not to mention caterer-- in the world....)

yani wrote:
One of us is missing the true mission of this site  ;-)

...and it's not you.

To the OP: Pet Peeve I have...as a model, I don't want to hear what the photographer did or didn't do...tell him/her, as it is useless to me. If you want to get into a full blown conversation on one image, I welcome private messages so that said discussion can be had.

-D

Daniela V wrote:

...and it's not you.

To the OP: Pet Peeve I have...as a model, I don't want to hear what the photographer did or didn't do...tell him/her, as it is useless to me. If you want to get into a full blown conversation on one image, I welcome private messages so that said discussion can be had.

-D

I guess some people here don't have much in the way of thick skin.
You have no need to know what other people think of the photographers technique....
You don't want to learn.  That is interesting and a little sad.  I made this thread because I don't have many comments.  I want more, but I have seen many yeah or neah comments. 

Lets use this site as the creative center that it can be.  If you only want positive feedback show your pics to your grandma.

Trevor Borchelt wrote:
Why are most comments worthless?

This being a market economy, albeit here an economy of ideas, perhaps it's because you get what you pay for?

Trevor Borchelt wrote:

I guess some people here don't have much in the way of thick skin.
You have no need to know what other people think of the photographers technique....
You don't want to learn.  That is interesting and a little sad.  I made this thread because I don't have many comments.  I want more, but I have seen many yeah or neah comments. 

Lets use this site as the creative center that it can be.  If you only want positive feedback show your pics to your grandma.

Whether or not the critiques are positive or negative...if they are about the photographer, what can I possibly take from that? Clearly, if I didn't like what they did, I wouldn't have posted the shot, right? I'd rather be told something I can learn from, not something that I can't do anything with.

It's not that I don't want to learn- I think you misunderstood what I said.

Also, I'll take negative comments..how else can I make myself a better model? But I'd rather hear: your expression doesn't read well...over: that shadow doesn't work.

Which one can I control?

You can control the shots you choose as you can control the photographer you shoot with.  If you want to learn than be open to the comments and take them for what they are worth... not a comment against you personally.  Instead a chance to learn what anothers total perception is of your portfolio.  That is after all what agencies will be viewing.  As a model you should be interested in hair makeup and photography, all the elements that go into making you look as fabulous as you can look.

Trevor Borchelt wrote:
You can control the shots you choose as you can control the photographer you shoot with.  If you want to learn than be open to the comments and take them for what they are worth... not a comment against you personally.  Instead a chance to learn what anothers total perception is of your portfolio.  That is after all what agencies will be viewing.  As a model you should be interested in hair makeup and photography, all the elements that go into making you look as fabulous as you can look.

Right...but, again, if I liked the shot, I put it up...you telling me the lighting is bad doesn't help me. I want to hear what I, personally, as a model can do. Telling me to "work with better photographers" (not that anyone did, I'm using it as an example) doesn't help me directly. Help me, as a model first, question the others players second.

Jay Bowman wrote:
Well, as a photographer, I could take the stance that it's highly improbably that a single person here would actually book me for work.  Here in the land of Mayhem where people speak a wildly boring language based solely upon the letters T, F & P (though not necessarily in that order) it's just not going to happen. 

So I could legitimately make a philosophical argument that the only opinions that matter are paying clients and all these other people can take their opinions and shove them.

But what would be the point?  You got on this site for a reason.  Be glad that someone took the time to comment or blow smoke up your ass or whatever.  And don't be sour because you look at someone else's profile and they have a ton of them.  It really doesn't affect you at all.

You want real feedback?  Leave "The Attention-Whore Network" (more commonly known as ModelMayhem) and seek out real feedback from those who's opinions you value.  Or find people here whose work you admire and ask them for criticism.  I've found this quite effective myself.


But asking the rhetorical questions about the comments isn't going to stop them from coming.  This site was this way... notorious for being this way... long before you got here.  Should've known that coming in...

That was well put.  And the reason I typed up this thread.  We are a part of a self imporving community and we can ask for better feedback.

I think we need to all ask what we want out of posting here.  My grandma thinks my stuff is great.  I am far from finished improving my work.  It lacks things that I see in other work.  That is why I am here.  I want to improve.  Lets all take some lumps and come out on the other side better for it.

Ps not all comments are positive or negative, some are lateral.  IE not a better idea but a different one.

KM von Seidl wrote:
...unless of course it's a white knight concierge posting on "THE THREAD" as to why he's the best photographer and protector of women--not to mention caterer-- in the world....

This would be me, of course.  Except for the catering part...

-D

Trevor Borchelt wrote:
I guess some people here don't have much in the way of thick skin.
You have no need to know what other people think of the photographers technique....
You don't want to learn.  That is interesting and a little sad.  I made this thread because I don't have many comments.  I want more, but I have seen many yeah or neah comments. 

Lets use this site as the creative center that it can be.  If you only want positive feedback show your pics to your grandma.

Well since you sorta left the door open.  I'll knock.  I took a look at your
work and while its in focus and clear which are two of the main things most
clients are looking for theres nothing else.  There is no passion and nothing to
remember any of the images by expect that some of the people are attractive.
Quite frankly they look like snapshots all expect the one I wrote about.  A
wedding is suppose to be a joyful event and you captured that but just
barely.  They look like something my uncle would have shot.  I will ask this
question.  What makes you different then the other hundred guys with cameras
that can take a well focused image.  What sets you apart?  Are you able to
capture great candids?  Based on what I saw, no.  Perhaps you can produce
beautiful and flawless images of the couple themselves.  Maybe your images
can evoke emotion or tell a story but what you have says mostly that you
are a guy with a decent camera and thats it.  I don't ask for critiques.  I
don't because I have a thin skin and I think that many times people aren't
trying to be helpful but mean.  I also don't think I'm a better photographer then
you or anybody, in fact most here are better then me.  I enjoy shooting and if
I sometimes get a cool or interesting image I'm happy.  I'm also not trying to
make a living with photography.  If you look around some of those here are
right at the edge of being fantastic.  They sometimes lack Photo shop skills
or maybe they need to shoot better looking models (makes a difference)
sometimes a few small changes can pull a persons work from average to great.
If if that is the kind of help people are offering then thats welcome but if its
I don't like it and thats it or I love your work, well nice to hear but...
I don't offer helpful advice (usually) unless I'm asked.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

Well since you sorta left the door open.  I'll knock.  I took a look at your
work and while its in focus and clear which are two of the main things most
clients are looking for theres nothing else.  There is no passion and nothing to
remember any of the images by expect that some of the people are attractive.
Quite frankly they look like snapshots all expect the one I wrote about.  A
wedding is suppose to be a joyful event and you captured that but just
barely.  They look like something my uncle would have shot.  I will ask this
question.  What makes you different then the other hundred guys with cameras
that can take a well focused image.  What sets you apart?  Are you able to
capture great candids?  Based on what I saw, no.  Perhaps you can produce
beautiful and flawless images of the couple themselves.  Maybe your images
can evoke emotion or tell a story but what you have says mostly that you
are a guy with a decent camera and thats it.  I don't ask for critiques.  I
don't because I have a thin skin and I think that many times people aren't
trying to be helpful but mean.  I also don't think I'm a better photographer then
you or anybody, in fact most here are better then me.  I enjoy shooting and if
I sometimes get a cool or interesting image I'm happy.  I'm also not trying to
make a living with photography.  If you look around some of those here are
right at the edge of being fantastic.  They sometimes lack Photo shop skills
or maybe they need to shoot better looking models (makes a difference)
sometimes a few small changes can pull a persons work from average to great.
If if that is the kind of help people are offering then thats welcome but if its
I don't like it and thats it or I love your work, well nice to hear but...
I don't offer helpful advice (usually) unless I'm asked.

Thats a critique!!!  Not flattering but honest.  Thankyou.  I am serious.  My stuff isn't different, and I wanted to know why.  You gave me some insight and I appreciate it.   On you comment of better or not.  I am not better than many, but all of us have reactions.  The point of this thread was to beg for those reactions even if it meant provoking people.

Trevor Borchelt wrote:
The fact that 8 people say they like it is usable, it means you did something right but you are still left to figure out what that was.

No amount of comments should be used as a guage to see if an image is usable. Those eight people liking an image says nothing about an image other than eight random people liked it. I've seen some horrible images have fifty comments and at the same time some really good ones have five comments. It's a popularity contest. It's also not a place for criticism. If you want that, use the critic forum.

Jay Bowman wrote:
So most of the people who are making these comments probably lack the critical eye to give you more feedback.  Just take it for what it is...

Jayz soooo HAWT! You rulez man! 





(actually he is way cool)