Forums > General Industry > My Mom has "a bad feeling about this"

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

Could you please contact my agency and go through them? My mom is having "bad feelings" about this shoot and would feel better if my agent stepped in. If this is a problem, then you can count me out of the shoot. The contract stuff could be settled with them. The information about the agency I belong to was just added today to my profile. Please take a look and give them a call. It would be greatly appreciated.

Does this happen to many photogs after talking to the model about the shoot and contracts?

The "modeling agency" doesn't even have this models photos or info on there site.

Oct 08 06 04:45 pm Link

Photographer

Israel Kendall

Posts: 641

Trenton, North Carolina, US

I dunno, but your MM page is all stretched out..............................................................................................................................

Oct 08 06 04:48 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

I know...I'm working on my info and stuff.  Make things more clear so this doesn't happen again.  I miss So Cal more and more everyday!

Oct 08 06 04:48 pm Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

CK Photography wrote:
Could you please contact my agency and go through them? My mom is having "bad feelings" about this shoot and would feel better if my agent stepped in. If this is a problem, then you can count me out of the shoot. The contract stuff could be settled with them. The information about the agency I belong to was just added today to my profile. Please take a look and give them a call. It would be greatly appreciated.

Does this happen to many photogs after talking to the model about the shoot and contracts?

To be expected this is, when photographing the daughter of a Jedi, you are.

"I have a very bad feeling about this."
- Luke Skywalker, Star Wars

"I have a bad feeling about this."
- Princess Leia, The Empire Strikes Back

"I've have a really bad feeling about this."
- Han Solo, Return Of The Jedi

"I have a bad feeling about this."
- Obi Wan Kenobi, The Phantom Menace

Oct 08 06 04:49 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

LoL...Very funny is your explanation.

Oct 08 06 04:52 pm Link

Model

AuLa

Posts: 1176

West Hollywood, California, US

You did not say how old the daughter was; if she is a minor, that would explain the mother's behavior. Her mother is having as much doubts as you are with her agency, which is apparent through your use of quotation marks, but that doubt is more soley based on the fact that her daughter has an agency now, and she would rather start utilizing their judgements and input for her daughter's career. Suppose she uses quotation marks in referencing you as a photographer. In any case, with or without an agency, the mother calls the shots, and the daughter is caught in between. If over 18, the mother is not the top of your worries, it is the daughters.

Perhaps the daughter was just recently signed which would explain the drag of updating the model website.

If you find working with the model and the mother's suggestion of going thourhg their agency to be too much trouble, by all means, don't do what you are not comfortable with.

Oct 08 06 05:13 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

CK Photography wrote:
Could you please contact my agency and go through them? My mom is having "bad feelings" about this shoot and would feel better if my agent stepped in. If this is a problem, then you can count me out of the shoot. The contract stuff could be settled with them. The information about the agency I belong to was just added today to my profile. Please take a look and give them a call. It would be greatly appreciated.

It's very common for agency models to refer shoot requests to their agency.  It sounds like we have a model with a mother who isn't familiar with the industry, and who is newly signed, so is in the middle of changing procedures.  Not all that unsual.

CK Photography wrote:
The "modeling agency" doesn't even have this models photos or info on there site.

Also not unusual.  It takes time and, in some cases, money to add a model to an agency website.  It's very common for models not to be added for months, or sometimes never.

Oct 08 06 06:51 pm Link

Photographer

Cardillo Photography

Posts: 1360

Palm Coast, Florida, US

I actually MET with a model for a project and she never said she was with an agency...then emails me and says her mom thinks everyone should go through her agency....to which she JUST put their information on her page.

It might be the same model  lol

Oct 08 06 07:02 pm Link

Photographer

Sharon Gutowski

Posts: 302

St Louis, Saskatchewan, Canada

hmm...  Did you try to contact the mother and find out if she has any specific concerns?  It sounds like an overprotective mother or something is off.  Not sure what thought.  Good luck.

Sharon

Oct 08 06 07:04 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

Cardillo Photography wrote:
I actually MET with a model for a project and she never said she was with an agency...then emails me and says her mom thinks everyone should go through her agency....to which she just put their information on her page.

On her MM page? That's not allowed. Please let the moderators know who it is so we can contact her. https://www.modelmayhem.com/contactamod.php. This is a community, not free ad space.

Oct 08 06 07:05 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ched wrote:
On her MM page? That's not allowed. Please let the moderators know who it is so we can contact her. https://www.modelmayhem.com/contactamod.php. This is a community, not free ad space.

Point of order:

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that we are discussing a real model with a real, land-based agency.  Is it true that she cannot put her agency affiliation on her MM profile?  Further, is it true that she can't ask that booking requests be routed through her agency?

If so, you just excluded a very desirable segment of the modeling population.

Oct 08 06 07:09 pm Link

Model

Seth Mitchell

Posts: 1457

Long Beach, California, US

Well...you don't want to mess with mom.

Oct 08 06 07:10 pm Link

Photographer

Papa Vic Photography

Posts: 8211

Glendale, Arizona, US

"...NEXT!"

Oct 08 06 07:21 pm Link

Photographer

j-shooter

Posts: 1912

San Francisco, California, US

TXPhotog wrote:

Point of order:

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that we are discussing a real model with a real, land-based agency.  Is it true that she cannot put her agency affiliation on her MM profile?  Further, is it true that she can't ask that booking requests be routed through her agency?

If so, you just excluded a very desirable segment of the modeling population.

here here!

Oct 08 06 07:22 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

TXPhotog wrote:
Point of order:

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that we are discussing a real model with a real, land-based agency.  Is it true that she cannot put her agency affiliation on her MM profile?  Further, is it true that she can't ask that booking requests be routed through her agency?

If so, you just excluded a very desirable segment of the modeling population.

She can say who she is with, but she cannot direct all inquiries to them. This is not a catalog like ModelWire, this is a community. Interaction with other users is required.

Oct 08 06 07:22 pm Link

Model

Danica Lee

Posts: 881

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

E|||B wrote:
To be expected this is, when photographing the daughter of a Jedi, you are.

"I have a very bad feeling about this."
- Luke Skywalker, Star Wars

"I have a bad feeling about this."
- Princess Leia, The Empire Strikes Back

"I've have a really bad feeling about this."
- Han Solo, Return Of The Jedi

"I have a bad feeling about this."
- Obi Wan Kenobi, The Phantom Menace

Thats exactly what I was thinking wink

Oct 08 06 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

CLT

Posts: 12979

Winchester, Virginia, US

CK Photography wrote:
LoL...Very funny is your explanation.

A lesson in Yoda-talk, you require.

"Very funny, your explanation is."

Oct 08 06 07:42 pm Link

Model

Jessalyn

Posts: 21433

Denver, Colorado, US

man. if I refrained from everything that my momma "had a bad feeling about" I never would have led the fulfilling life that I have! she meant well but I make mistakes on my own, thank you very much. otherwise I would never learn

Oct 08 06 07:46 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

Is it a legitimate agency. If so, you may just save yourself a lot of headache, by going through them. If you'd shot with her before the agency was involved, who knows the unprofessional nutso things you would have had to deal with from the model with attached mother... The agency will give her the drill.
Working through agencies protects the photographer too...

John

Oct 08 06 07:53 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ched wrote:
She can say who she is with, but she cannot direct all inquiries to them. This is not a catalog like ModelWire, this is a community. Interaction with other users is required.

People interact all the time without shooting together.  Even in this community, there are lots and lots of models that I interact with but will never shoot with.

Again . . .  agencies often require that all shoot requests be run through them.  The policy you have stated would effectively prohibit MM models from shooting with MM photographers.  Why is that desirable?

Oct 08 06 09:09 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

Ched wrote:
She can say who she is with, but she cannot direct all inquiries to them. This is not a catalog like ModelWire, this is a community. Interaction with other users is required.

TXPhotog wrote:
People interact all the time without shooting together.  Even in this community, there are lots and lots of models that I interact with but will never shoot with.

Again . . .  agencies often require that all shoot requests be run through them.  The policy you have stated would effectively prohibit MM models from shooting with MM photographers.  Why is that desirable?

Running the shoot through an agency is not a problem. Saying "don't communicate with me, talk to my agency first" is using MM only to advertise.

Oct 08 06 09:41 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

So, should the person be reported for using MM to advertise?

Oct 08 06 09:43 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

CK Photography wrote:
So, should the person be reported for using MM to advertise?

Nothing wrong with advertising, just only using it to advertise and nothing else, that's not right. It is the same reason we ban clothing companies and club promoters. If you're just here to sell your brand, you need to go (or change your attitude toward the site).

Oct 08 06 10:07 pm Link

Photographer

RGK Photography

Posts: 4695

Wilton, Connecticut, US

CK Photography wrote:
Could you please contact my agency and go through them? My mom is having "bad feelings" about this shoot and would feel better if my agent stepped in. If this is a problem, then you can count me out of the shoot. The contract stuff could be settled with them. The information about the agency I belong to was just added today to my profile. Please take a look and give them a call. It would be greatly appreciated.

Does this happen to many photogs after talking to the model about the shoot and contracts?

The "modeling agency" doesn't even have this models photos or info on there site.

Personally, I would really think about walking away real fast, unless she is a model that is amazing.

Oct 08 06 10:40 pm Link

Photographer

StudioSeventeen

Posts: 214

Laguna Beach, California, US

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
man. if I refrained from everything that my momma "had a bad feeling about" I never would have led the fulfilling life that I have! she meant well but I make mistakes on my own, thank you very much. otherwise I would never learn

Got to go feed the baby

Oct 08 06 10:45 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ched wrote:
Running the shoot through an agency is not a problem. Saying "don't communicate with me, talk to my agency first" is using MM only to advertise.

I read the situation as "shoot requests have to be run through my agency".  Not "all communications".  I'm pretty sure neither she nor her agency would have a problem with a "nice port" tag.  Agencies do sometimes (note:  sometimes) have a problem with models posting on forums, particularly if the posts are critical of the agency.  But that still doesn't limit contact to "advertising" only.

Oct 08 06 10:46 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Brummitt

Posts: 40527

Clarkston, Michigan, US

You may be a great photographer but you have four photos posted here and no links to a personal website.  At the very least that would cause me to question your seriousness.

Keep in mind I am not slamming you, I am just speaking as a parent.

Oct 08 06 10:48 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

I don't have a problem working with an agency, if that's discussed in the beginning of trying to set something up.  It wasn't, so that's what made me a little perturbed about the situation.  I was willing to work on a contract and ok'd having an escort, but "mom was feeling bad about the situation".

Anyways, long story short, she won't be doing it to anyone else on MM...She has been erased.

Oct 08 06 10:50 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

CK Photography wrote:
Anyways, long story short, she won't be doing it to anyone else on MM...She has been erased.

No, the account is just suspended until the situation is resolved/text is changed.

Oct 08 06 10:53 pm Link

Photographer

page c

Posts: 23

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

There are a 1000 models...if any model or models mother ever said to me I'm having a bad feeling about something... It's easy..just move on and thank the model for her time.

Oct 08 06 10:54 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

Oh, ok...Well, hopefully she won't do this to others.  I heard it's happened to someone else on here.  Ched, are you a Moderator?

Oct 08 06 10:54 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

Roy Vanover wrote:
There are a 1000 models...if any model or models mother ever said to me I'm having a bad feeling about something... It's easy..just move on and thank the model for her time.

I've already done so Roy.  Just wanted to vent, especially since the same model did this to someone else on here.

Oct 08 06 10:55 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

I'm Batmoderator.

Oct 08 06 10:57 pm Link

Photographer

page c

Posts: 23

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

CK Photography wrote:

I've already done so Roy.  Just wanted to vent, especially since the same model did this to someone else on here.

Well...I guess it's better that she was professional enough to say something in advance....rather than just not show..

Oct 08 06 11:00 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

True Roy, but still wasn't handled the way it should have been.  That should have came out from the first phone conversation about the agency.  Not wait till we were setting up shoot ideas.

Oct 08 06 11:03 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

CK Photography wrote:
Could you please contact my agency and go through them? My mom is having "bad feelings" about this shoot and would feel better if my agent stepped in. If this is a problem, then you can count me out of the shoot. The contract stuff could be settled with them. The information about the agency I belong to was just added today to my profile. Please take a look and give them a call. It would be greatly appreciated.

How many ways can a photographerf sayd "Bye bye"?

Oct 08 06 11:51 pm Link

Photographer

StudioSeventeen

Posts: 214

Laguna Beach, California, US

CK Photography wrote:
Anyways, long story short, she won't be doing it to anyone else on MM...She has been erased.

So much for her freedom of speech

not to mention she is a minor and her directing things thru her mom or agent

is the wrong thing????

I feel that to be the right thing to do

yet again you make her look bad and got her account suspended

way to go

Oct 08 06 11:56 pm Link

Photographer

CK Fotografia

Posts: 85

Jacksonville, Florida, US

dunno...you tell me

Oct 08 06 11:56 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

StudioSeventeen wrote:
yet again you make her look bad and got her account suspended

way to go

That is a very cynical perspective. And ... wrong. There are two models in question.

Oct 09 06 12:03 am Link

Photographer

StudioSeventeen

Posts: 214

Laguna Beach, California, US

Ched wrote:

That is a very cynical perspective. And ... wrong. There are two models in question.

With all due respect
What ever you say. You are the batmoderator

I was making the point that ANY minor who directs contact from a adult on MM or any other website, directing that person that wants to work with her to   a
Parent or agent is doing the right thing. That does not seem like advertising it sounds like she has a professional approach to this.



Yet from reading this thread, her account was suspended and the person starting the thread commented that " she wont be doing that anymore that she is banned"

How is that cynical?

Oct 09 06 12:14 am Link