Forums > General Industry > Anyone been cyber stalked by a "photographer?"

Photographer

dfstudios

Posts: 392

Mill Valley, California, US

Austyn229 wrote:
Eric, thanks for the support.

DFS-Cops ask each other for advice ALL the time. Just because you are one or used to be doesn't mean you know everything and have all the answers.  Just because you are a photographer, does that mean you know EVERYTHING related to the subject and never have a question?

Sorry, Austyn stepped out for a while. I was not skipping out. Let me say as a photographer, I know very little about any one subject. But as a student of human nature, there are some things that do not seem quite on the up-and-up about your posts. You say your brother and husband are cops, yet you come to a model/photographer website "asking advice" about a clear violation of the law, when apparently you have it right at hand.

You talk about jurisdictions, but it is a felony to pretext. One commits pretext when an individual dissembles to gain personal information, such as email addresses and so forth about another individual. The ex-chaiman of HP knows only too well about this. Until I called you out there was no attempt on your part to present your association with law-enforcement. How do the folks here know that you are not collecting personal information about themselves?

Oct 08 06 12:01 pm Link

Model

Austyn229

Posts: 194

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

For everyone except for DFS, who thinks I have nothing better to do than sit around and fabricate stories about being stalked...the dumb ass actually called my house yesterday!  I wasn't home, and my husband didn't recognize the number right off and answered it.  This guy tried to tell my husband I had sent him topless pics of myself and other lies to try and get my hubby pissed, I guess.  Well, I think my husband made it pretty clear that this guy better NEVER call or contact me again...but still going to forward all the info to the authorities.

Thanks for everyone's support, both here and on PM.  Those of you that have PM'd me know a little more about the situation.  Thanks for everything!

austyn

Oct 09 06 07:45 am Link

Photographer

Hadyn Lassiter

Posts: 2898

New Haven, Connecticut, US

how long were you a cop? why are you not one now? Thats a great paying job. Is this something you feel comfortable telling us? I have not gone to your portfolio as I don't do that from threads,I find most threads are just there to draw people to the Op's site and very lame attemtpts at backward marketing.
Thanks for any info you could share.

Oct 09 06 08:13 am Link

Photographer

Miles Chandler

Posts: 647

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

"Austyn"
I see that you're feeling maligned by people's skeptical attitudes, but your claims are hard to swallow.. you're an EX police officer at 23? You have to be 20 just to be certified as a rookie in North Carolina, (and most other states, from what I can find) and you're a rookie for a minimum of another year--so even if you quit last week, you could only have been a "full-fledged street cop for less than 2 years, and that's if you went right into LE school from high school.
And in the "Escort" thread, you claim to have had some pretty severe first-hand experience too. In a city that has only about 36 violent deaths a year, you must have had some bad luck to be around for so much of it. AND you have runway experience? When did that happen? Not to mention any other details, such as your husband being in his 30's (if he's been a cop for ten years, as you say), and your brother is old enough to have made CAPTAIN?? And despite this extraordinary family, you're asking for advice here?
Seriously, it is vaguely possible you're telling the truth, but it's much more likely that you're not, so you can't blame people for using Occam's Razor. There's probably no evidence you could employ over the Web to prove your story, so you'll have to accept that it's unlikely and that some people will not believe you.
I've had people I "knew" very well over the internet fake their own death, or their girlfriend's death (to avoid saying she had just dumped him), and be a different age and gender than they claimed, to say nothing of other forms of misrepresentation.
If you ARE an ex-cop (and there's nothing you could say to convince me of this, personally) you can't blame people for being skeptical about unlikely claims made in public on-line forums. Your own posts are all about telling models to be careful and not take things on faith.

Oct 09 06 09:05 am Link

Model

Austyn229

Posts: 194

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

Being a cop is a good paying job??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I am pretty sure that's about the funniest thing I've ever heard.
I'm not here to justify my previous career.  If you or others don't want to believe me, fine.  I'm not losing any sleep over it.  And yes, my husband is 33, and my brother is 37, which is old enough to be a Captain in a small department, which is what he works in now.  My diploma from BLET is hanging on my wall, so that's it for the cop thing.  If you want to know more, PM me, which would be the professional thing to do...however, I could likely only expect you to come back and post whatever our conversations entailed, because most of you guys that come to the threads to rant and rave on people seem to be unable to do it in private where it should occur...you want to make it a public show.  DFS's last comment seemed to be the "fear mongering" that he supposedly detests so much.
And I've got way better things to do than come on the forums and make stuff up...and if you don't believe that, feel free to ask ANYONE on MM that I've worked with...they will all tell you that I am a professional, hard-working, honest, easy to get along with lady.
So, just so everyone knows, I'm not responding to any more of these "I don't believe this, I don't believe that" comments.  Those comments are only meant to be hurtful and it's not worth my time.  No, not because I've lied, but because I have no time to continually justify my past to people that I don't even know, and people so unprofessional that they would call me a liar and question my integrity on threads here on MM without knowing what they are talking about and without having the professionalism to approach me privately and ask legitimate questions in a professional manner.  Again, if you want to know what kind of person I am, ask anyone that has worked with me...that will tell you all you need to know.

Oct 09 06 03:01 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

I'm 25, and I know a guy younger than me who is an ex-cop. So yes, it's possible.

Oct 09 06 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

Emile Ashkar

Posts: 10

Plano, Texas, US

Hey gang, what's a GWC?

Oct 09 06 03:13 pm Link

Photographer

britestoneproductions

Posts: 23

Garden Home-Whitford, Oregon, US

I've only ever cyber stalked by sheep herders sorry.sad

Oct 09 06 03:16 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Emile Ashkar wrote:
Hey gang, what's a GWC?

https://www.modelmayhem.com/faq.php#q16

Oct 09 06 03:17 pm Link

Photographer

Emile Ashkar

Posts: 10

Plano, Texas, US

e-string wrote:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/faq.php#q16

Thank you for enlightening me. haha.

Oct 09 06 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

Emile Ashkar

Posts: 10

Plano, Texas, US

Like your work e-string. Emile

Oct 09 06 03:25 pm Link

Photographer

Emile Ashkar

Posts: 10

Plano, Texas, US

Like your work e-string. Emile

Oct 09 06 03:26 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

I've been stalked for real by an escort/model manager who found me thru this site & was clearly psychotic.  It's one of the reasons I won't allow escorts anymore.
Of course, I knew enough to just call the cops & get valid legal advice instead of asking people on a photography internet site...

Oct 09 06 03:30 pm Link

Model

Austyn229

Posts: 194

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

SLE, I do have a call in to a contact we have with a governmental agency to find out what jurisdiction to go through and what agencies need to be involved...since it wasn't something that happened in person like your situation, I can't just call the local police and file a report.  But, sorry something like that happened to you, it sucks.  Glad you got it resolved quickly and easily and hopefully you haven't had a problem with the guy (I assume it was a guy) since then.

Oct 09 06 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

Hadyn Lassiter

Posts: 2898

New Haven, Connecticut, US

Here we go again, why does a cop come on a model website to ask advice? Your not telling Santa the whole story now are you?

Oct 09 06 04:45 pm Link

Model

CUnique

Posts: 366

Bowie, Maryland, US

This is the only thing that worked for me...(so far...."cringe") I hate to say this to you but its the only thing that worked for me...none of the cops did anything about it and prosecuting (even if some laws are totally broken) can cost a pretty penny for most amature models on here...your last resort if he becomes enraged or ceases to harrass you is to disappear for a while...for as long as it takes...I am sure it totally s*CKs to have the object of your harrassment totally up and vanish but I think it works...if you erased your profile...changed all of your numbers and all of you instant messaging screenames etc...it will drive the poor creep even crazier...but he will forget about you in a few months...unfortunately he will probably move on to the next person. I think its almost fool proof unless the cyber stalker decides to find out where you live or already knows.

Fool Proof Method
If he won't disappear...you may have to

Then come back and reinvent yourself...or create a fresher and newer profile...if you truly cannot stop the wonderful hoppy or art rather of modeling...try doing it off the net until the guy goes nuts from not being able to harrass you ...he WILL give up I am positive! :-)

Best Of Luck

Oct 09 06 05:10 pm Link

Model

CUnique

Posts: 366

Bowie, Maryland, US

Oh, I forgot to add...not just your modeling portfolio...you have to disappear on ANY and ALL websites that he knows you frequent. It could make for a much happier return for you in a few months and very relieving. smile

Oct 09 06 05:21 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Austyn229 wrote:
SLE, I do have a call in to a contact we have with a governmental agency to find out what jurisdiction to go through and what agencies need to be involved...since it wasn't something that happened in person like your situation, I can't just call the local police and file a report.  But, sorry something like that happened to you, it sucks.  Glad you got it resolved quickly and easily and hopefully you haven't had a problem with the guy (I assume it was a guy) since then.

The guy was calling me and posting about it online but there were 3 jurisdictions involved.  Only hassle I could see for you would be if the guy was across state lines.

Oct 09 06 06:18 pm Link

Model

CrazyRussianHelicopter

Posts: 3256

Madison, Alabama, US

I was by one, he now thinks we are engaged.

Oct 09 06 06:45 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Madcitychel wrote:
I was by one, he now thinks we are engaged.

But Sweetie, I have the Elk's Lodge and Motel 6 booked already! And I think I'm gonna get a sweet deal on the catering from Go Chicken Go...

Oct 09 06 06:58 pm Link

Model

CrazyRussianHelicopter

Posts: 3256

Madison, Alabama, US

Stephen Melvin wrote:

But Sweetie, I have the Elk's Lodge and Motel 6 booked already! And I think I'm gonna get a sweet deal on the catering from Go Chicken Go...

Oh, so I am not the only victim?

Oct 09 06 07:02 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Madcitychel wrote:
Oh, so I am not the only victim?

Love is a victimless crime, baby...

Oct 09 06 07:04 pm Link

Model

CrazyRussianHelicopter

Posts: 3256

Madison, Alabama, US

Stephen Melvin wrote:

Love is a victimless crime, baby...

I think that is what Chicatilo said on his last trial.

Oct 09 06 07:09 pm Link

Photographer

Hadyn Lassiter

Posts: 2898

New Haven, Connecticut, US

Next time I need legal advice on my last job I am coming to MM.
Sadly the fact that Betty believed her two kids don't think about anything has led to peaceful nights staring at the fire.

Oct 09 06 07:52 pm Link

Model

Austyn229

Posts: 194

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

SLE Photography wrote:

The guy was calling me and posting about it online but there were 3 jurisdictions involved.  Only hassle I could see for you would be if the guy was across state lines.

Yes, that's the issue we are dealing with...I am in NC, he is in Minnesota, according to his phone number.  But, if I have to contact them AND here AND his email providers, so be it. Whatever it takes!!

Thanks for everyone else's advice and kind PMs...much appreciated!!

austyn

Oct 09 06 10:20 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Austyn229 wrote:
Yes, that's the issue we are dealing with...I am in NC, he is in Minnesota, according to his phone number.  But, if I have to contact them AND here AND his email providers, so be it. Whatever it takes!!

Thanks for everyone else's advice and kind PMs...much appreciated!!

austyn

Wow...well, between that sort of threat and the serious danger you face every time someone asks you to shoot, necessitating you taking an armed escort, I would say go with the advice of the person who said the best thing to do is delete all your profiles, screen names, e-mails, and phone numbers and jsut dissapear till he gives up & goes away.  It could take years, but better safe than sorry.  If you don't expose yourself, you'll be safe!

Oct 09 06 10:24 pm Link

Model

Josie Nutter

Posts: 5865

Seattle, Washington, US

Unfortunately, this stuff rarely stops (or even improves) until you get the police involved.

My story about being cyberstalked (which is now officially illegal in WA state, btw) by a photographer: http://josienutter.livejournal.com/345857.html

Oct 10 06 09:24 pm Link

Photographer

Kinetic Photography

Posts: 517

Austyn229 wrote:
I'll try to make this as brief as possible while giving all pertinent details.  Right after I first posted my profile here, I was contacted via email by a "photographer" asking about work.  We emailed a time or two, and then I phoned him and we spoke for quite some time.  He seemed normal enough, but it was a red flag to me that he did not have a profile on MM.  Then, he emailed me, and he was very unprofessional, asking for topless photos and such that he "needed."  Of course, I did not send them.  He called again, but I happened to be on the phone with a friend in crisis (ladies, you know the ones with the crappy ass boyfriends that want you to fix all their problems).  Anyway, I sent him a message that I was on the phone with my best friend and would call him later.  Well, he proceeded to send me an email that if I was serious about this profession, I would tell my friend to get off the damn phone so I could handle my business...just very rude.  So, between that and the earlier unprofessional communication, I decided this guy wasn't worth it.  So, I emailed him again and told him that due to the illness I had told him about in our phone conversation (again, which is true, I do have a chronic illness that causes me severe pain on a daily basis and does not allow me to work a "normal" 40 hour per week job) and just could not work with him at this time.  I felt as though that was the most professional way to handle things and "break things off" with this guy that was making me feel very uncomfortable.  In addition, when doing research on him, his "company" could not be located via any search engine, and the images he sent seemed sketchy.  So, as devil's advocate, maybe I should have just said "you creep me out and your company seems bogus, go away." But, I have found that usually with crazy people you have to be gentle, which is why I handled it the way I did. Well, the guy FLIPPED OUT ON ME via email.  Told me that he would be watching me on MM and other sites and if he saw me soliciting work or messaging people, he would know I had lied to him and would "flip out" on me (his words, I still have the email).  So, I politely replied to him that I did not wish to have any further contact with him via phone, email, or any other form of communication, and I further advised him that further contact after my telling him not to would be illegal.  He emailed me again!!! So, I looked up the statutes in his state and found it very clear that was he was doing just by contacting me after I asked him not to and by threatening to "stalk" me via the internet was illegal.  So, I let him know again that his behavior was unacceptable and I would report him to the authorities. 
Well, he left me alone for a while, but today, I got an email from him...using a different email address, stating that he has been seeing my forum replies on MM at 3am and this that and the other, so obviously I lied to him about my illness (funny thing is, the reason I am up at 3am is because I can't sleep due to the PAIN from my illness) and I'm crazy and on and on and on (okay, no wise cracks about my being crazy..lol).  This guy is really scaring me!  Okay, not in the fear mongering way, guys, but what kind of person spends their time tracking someone else's forum posts and such to see what they are doing...I think this is the definition of both GWC and creepy freak.  And I'm guessing he'll read this post too since he's now stalking me on MM.

Anyway, has anyone else had this happen with someone from, oh, say...Minnesota?  And, do you think I should go through with contacting the authorities in his area?  I already looked up the specific statute and was able to reverse lookup his phone number to find his city and real name.
Advice please.  Gosh, I didn't know we'd need escorts just to post on the forum!!!!!

This is the brief version ?  Could you please give more details, I am having a hard time making up my mind so far..........

Oct 10 06 10:09 pm Link

Photographer

Kevin Connery

Posts: 17825

El Segundo, California, US

Austyn229 wrote:
I'll try to make this as brief as possible while giving all pertinent details.  Right after I first posted my profile here, I was contacted via email by a "photographer" asking about work.  We emailed a time or two, and then I phoned him and we spoke for quite some time.  He seemed normal enough, but it was a red flag to me that he did not have a profile on MM.
[41 lines elided]
This guy is really scaring me!  Okay, not in the fear mongering way, guys, but what kind of person spends their time tracking someone else's forum posts and such to see what they are doing...I think this is the definition of both GWC and creepy freak.  And I'm guessing he'll read this post too since he's now stalking me on MM.

Hmm...

Austyn229 wrote:
And like I said, how funny it is that you can't fight your own battles...gotta post 'em for everyone else to fight for you. What a big tough man you are!!!!!  I'm sure your boyfriend is VERY VERY proud of you!!!

Oct 11 06 02:48 am Link