|
Forums >
General Industry >
model creeped out I hate it when that happens
recently I was in Toronto, it was a nice trip. Overlapped the film stuff. Shot some hot and fun stuff. Worked very hard for months to book the available time. These were paid shoots. The style of shooting had been clear from the beginning contact. At the last second for two different models on two different dates I was treated to the change of plans and a sudden change of heart. One pushed the questions about nudity over and over and I finally answered in an email that we would shoot within the framework of what she wanted shot. If she wanted topless top covered. bottomless whatever. I would shoot what she wanted to show and would be pleased with that. Up to that time I had not ever insisted on nude shots at all. After weeks of offering references and reviewing the shoot plan, and hearing yes lets shoot over and over, No, sorry, good luck happens in the last 24 hours. Second model Same story second verse. The models who did shoot had a great time, we enjoyed a beautiful hotel suite with a view and got some great shots. Doing light bondage erotic work without shooting much thats really revealing overall, we created some gorgeous images. Point of all this, It really doesnt take much for models to have a change of mind and not want to shoot. I just wish it would happen about 3 weeks out instead of 36 hours out. Reminds me of the commercial photo and light equipment 3600 trip to location 1500 week of luxury suite 3000 evening natural light with a mayhem model tied up tight priceless but then, last second cancellation a total waste Oct 04 06 10:01 pm Link ShadowCrafter wrote: I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS but someone somewhere will chime in with a clear and concise concept that it must have been all my fault. Oct 04 06 10:05 pm Link I know what you mean. Traveled 20 hours round trip this weekend. Had two MUA's and several models evaporate on me. I practice BYOM when I can, so I shot with her and added a second model on Sunday. Had a great time, and model number two told me that Chicago area models stop shooting at the first hint of fall weather. Oct 04 06 10:11 pm Link I'm certain it was your fault, by the way. Your shoot and mine. Bastard. Oct 04 06 10:12 pm Link Wait a second. Clarify something for me. You said these were paid shoots, right? Who was paying who? * If you were paying the models then why on earth would you be shooting what she wanted? * If they were paying you then you should just shoot what they want and be done. If they're paying and they want nudes so be it. If they don't, so be it. You really don't have a say in this situation. Oct 04 06 10:18 pm Link I think your point is appropriate, but in fact I was paying. Why on earth would she have some say, to make the darling thing comfortable and get the shots I wanted. I'm a lot more incensed about jilting late than about trying to insist we shoot under rules of some type. Oct 04 06 10:22 pm Link buddy, I think its just the nature of this business... some photographers are pervs, some models flakers, and some of both are just playing. no, it shouldn't be like that, the all give bad reputation to their equals, and waste everybody's time. But they are out there, and you'll find some along the way my advice: - learn to live with it and move on (its an unfair world) - work with what you have at hand (you said you have a good time with the ones you shoot) - if they are in MM tell us their name or # so nobody have to go through the same with them - charge your batteries and get your camera ready for the next shoot. From Miami, Luis Oct 04 06 10:27 pm Link I agree with John's first question. If you are paying a model and she doesn't want to do what you want, why persue a shoot with her at all? Why not drop it and find someone else who will do what you ask? I just turned down a photographer who originally offered to pay my rate (then tried to talk me into accepting a cheap Halloween costume he would be buying for the shoot as pay...uh, no) and gave me the same line after I told him a shoot wouldn't be happening - "oh, I would have just shot what YOU wanted, it doesn't matter that I just asked you a bunch of weird questions about 'you say you won't do pornography, but what do you consider to be pornographic' and if upskirt and clothed masturbation shots are okay, I would have been happy just doing what you wanted." Uh, no, he wouldn't, and you wouldn't, either. Hearing "I'll shoot what you want to make you feel comfortable" just makes me feel more uncomfortable, because it sounds like you're trying to warm her up into going along with what you want after you're done with what she wants. Psychologists who study predators call this "loan sharking" - give the victim a small prize so you can exploit their sense of obligation into giving you a big payoff later. Not that you or the guy who approached me are predators, but if someone is offering money yet claiming they aren't expecting to get the kind of photos they want, that looks suspicious to me. It's something for nothing - why would you be eager to work with someone and willing to pay them if you have no real use for the photos? What are you expecting to get? Oct 04 06 10:30 pm Link Primox Studios wrote: wise advice, thanks. I have put each of these into practice. Primox Studios wrote: this is one I won't do. They know who they are. They may easily be able to post their thoughts that I was the perv creep who caused it to all fall through. It is very much a he said she said problem. Oct 04 06 10:37 pm Link Actually, don't have them sign the release 3 weeks in advance. Sounds like a bad idea. It would be much better if you just forwarded your agreement/formal offer/release 3 weeks ahead of time so they have plenty of time to review them. Then they can't come back and tell a judge that you didn't allow them time to read the release. Oct 04 06 10:40 pm Link Just as I said earlier Primox Studios wrote: ShadowCrafter wrote: I wander around wondering around and found Anon wrote: I posted this one here and set it up as a quote. Oct 04 06 10:58 pm Link Maybe you laid it on too thick in the days leading up to the shoot. Maybe they weren't creeped out at first, but you did something to make them uncomfortable as the day of the photo shoot drew near. Without an idea of what caused them to change their minds in the last couple of days, then we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that they are just being frivolous and fickle or flaking for no reason. Especially in light of the kink you want to do. Were you breathing heavy and drooling in your emails? Were you oinking and snorting, or making other strange noises? Even by the tone of your post here, you make it sound like they owed you more because of the money you suggest you threw around by going there. It sounds like you are exaggerating the amount of money you spend to be self important and expect them to drop to your feet in return for your financial prowess and loose spending. That should not be a factor. If you made them feel nervous by pushy behavior, then you can expect cancellations. Nothing personal. It just seems like there are some facts missing here, and some issues of hurt or inflated ego, and an urge to lash back. If that message got louder, I would cancel too. Just a feeling. Oct 04 06 11:10 pm Link Click... wanna get a beer some time? I'll buy! ETA: There's even a brand new bar called Hamilton's that has every beer you can imagine right around the corner. That would be the corner of 30th and Beech. Oct 05 06 02:28 am Link Lucky Bastard wrote: Isn't that the old Sparky's? Brewskies!!! Oct 05 06 02:51 am Link 30th & Beech? Can I go? Oct 05 06 03:06 am Link Chip Morton wrote: Yes that is. Just don't tell Sparky! Oct 05 06 03:50 am Link Well, as I've said many times before, when you're shooting bondage you're rolling the dice. A good one half of my shoots have flaked on me over time (one reason I don't travel much). Best thing to do is say "Shikati Ga Nai" and move on. Models will flake on bondage shoots for any number of reasons. New models who have never done it before may flake because they realize at the last second they don't really care to try it but they haven't got the guts to say so. Some do have the guts and actually give you the benefit of canceling (which sounds like what happened to you Shadowcrafer), but most just out and out flake. Pro bondage models who flake tend to do it just to be a bitch and waste your time. In the early days I used to send the model not only a list of outfits I wanted, but a list of positions I was going to tie them in. Now I just bother sending them a list of outfits. Oh, and like Shadowcrafter, all my shoots are paid shoots. You just can never tell. I have two shoots set up for this month: one a newbie to the scene and one a pro. Let's see if they both come off. Oct 05 06 07:23 am Link Tape Her Up wrote: Well said, thats pretty much what I do now. I have them know about it up front and tell them we'll shoot outfits and face and hands first and warm up to more fun stuff. Oct 05 06 12:20 pm Link |
