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Model

Emi

Posts: 10

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Hello all!

I just thought I'd post bits of a conversation I had with an "independent agent", as a warning for all of you out there. Just in case you're contacted by him, or someone who seems similar.

[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
hi
your typical Libra... says:
hi
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
are you still interested?
your typical Libra... says:
perhaps, but I'd like more details, and a few questions answered first
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
ok go ahead
your typical Libra... says:
well, first I'd like to know your full name, and where in new york city you work out of. also, I'd like to know in advance why you need in a webcam, and what you're hoping to see. thirdly, I'd like to know exactly why you're offering me money.
your typical Libra... says:
just to be clear, I ONLY do nude or partial nude as paid work
your typical Libra... says:
so, if that's fine with you, and if you can answer me, great
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
ok well the reason you're being offered money is because i think you have the look that's wanted...im in NYC and the webcam is for the evaluation
your typical Libra... says:
okay... and your name and business address?
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
Robert Burke and the office isnt set up yet...like i said im very new
your typical Libra... says:
okay... and, I seem to recall you mentioning payment to the tune of $3000... what, exactly, would that be for, and where does the funding come from?
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
the magazines who sign you
your typical Libra... says:
which isn't guaranteed, right? 
your typical Libra... says:
also, you do realize that I'm not looking to sign on with an agent, but I am willing to work independently with other independent individuals in the business
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
yes thats great
your typical Libra... says:
okay... now, you said that I have "the look"... what magazines are you considering for me?
your typical Libra... says:
because there is no /one/ look, it depends on the magazine 
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
that depends on your interests and the evaluation
your typical Libra... says:
okay... what magazines are you currently in contact with?
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
im meeting with over 30 scouts tomorrow so it really depends..what are your interests?
your typical Libra... says:
to be honest, I'm doing modelling more as a hobby right now.
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
ok
your typical Libra... says:
what magazine scouts are you meeting with?
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
they range from Maxim to FHM to Victoria Secrt to Playboy to Suicide Girls to Elle

From here, he goes on to ask me to "show off" on cam, and wanted me to take my pants off. Then, when I refused, he got angry and started insulting me:

[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
please lower your pants so i can see your hipd and thighs
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
i meant all the way...undergarments is prferable
your typical Libra... says:
nope, nothing even close to nudity, without payment
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
hunny...you dont get it obviously...
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
you are paid very well
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
$7,000
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
per shoot
your typical Libra... says:
yep. but I haven't received any money from you yet, so I'm not going past what I've shown
your typical Libra... says:
nude, lingerie, etc requires money. I told you that from the beginning
your typical Libra... says:
even for webcam
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
well i dont pay you...this evaluation is so you get the jobs...you are not going to be paid until you get a job and youre not going to get a job until you are reccomended..you need to think
your typical Libra... says:
well, I'm still not showing you anything past what I have. so, if it's not good enough, then I guess it's my loss.
your typical Libra... says:
I get paid for my nude work, and am not changing that for anyone
your typical Libra... says:
even for 'previews'
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
yes it is...its a $7,000 per shoot loss...you are very foolish and not dedicated at all...expect magazines and photographers to find out and THIS ISNT WORK...ITS AN EVALUTATION SO YOU CAN GET WORK...GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
you cant get a job unless you do the required steps
your typical Libra... says:
I've had no problems finding what work I want to do thus far. I appreciate the seemingly generous offer, but....
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
you think you're so amazing that it can be handed to you??
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
well you're not
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
and the only reason ppl dont do hollywood is if theyre not good enough which is the only vibe ive gotten from you all night
[email protected] (E-mail Address Not Verified) says:
this conversation is over...youve wasted enough of my time but expect to be blacklisted


So, be careful out there, ladies and gents!

Oct 03 06 10:21 pm Link

Photographer

500 Gigs of Desire

Posts: 3833

New York, New York, US

Another model-stalking butt pirate with A.M.I..

Oct 03 06 10:26 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Emi wrote:
So, be careful out there, ladies and gents!

Ok, I'll say this again.

NO ONE

I repeat

NO ONE at *any* modeling agency, nor any photographer is EVER going to ask you to do a 'preview' or 'test' on a WEBCAM!

There is no reason for a model to even OWN a web cam unless you make money with it by billing some sucker to see you on it.

Modeling agencies and photographers do their bookings based on portfolios and comp cards.

Oct 03 06 10:27 pm Link

Photographer

Lotus Photography

Posts: 19253

Berkeley, California, US

Emi wrote:
So, be careful out there, ladies and gents!

very nice of you to go to the trouble of posting the conversation

bump it a couple of times tomorrow so others can see it

Oct 03 06 10:34 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

I didn't have to read past the fact that it was a instant message conversation to understand it was a poser but for entertainment sake got a few lines further to the webcam insanity. Unless you're doing it for personal use don't turn on a webcam.

Legit people in the business are not contacting models via instant messenger, let alone evaluating based on a webcam. The only thing that would ever be evaluated via webcam is the rpm of the pervert's right hand. Sorry to be so vulgar but this wouldn't even qualify as a scam it's so hokey.

Oct 03 06 10:35 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

This has to be, what?  The 50th time this has been reported?

This is so obviously a scam I'm amazed people still are treating this like news.

Oct 03 06 10:39 pm Link

Photographer

PK Digital Imaging

Posts: 3084

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Man.. I wanna start a model profile and bait these guys!  Any models wanna donate some pics?? hahaha  When he gets all hot and bothered I'll show him my hairy belly!

-PKD

Oct 03 06 10:40 pm Link

Model

Sweet Emotion 68

Posts: 456

Oldsmar, Florida, US

James Jackson wrote:

Ok, I'll say this again.

NO ONE

I repeat

NO ONE at *any* modeling agency, nor any photographer is EVER going to ask you to do a 'preview' or 'test' on a WEBCAM!

There is no reason for a model to even OWN a web cam unless you make money with it by billing some sucker to see you on it.

Modeling agencies and photographers do their bookings based on portfolios and comp cards.

Great words of wisdom..............this almost happened to me............live and learn!!!

Oct 03 06 10:41 pm Link

Photographer

Vegas Alien

Posts: 1747

Armington, Illinois, US

remove yer MSN or any messenger IDs.  What are you expecting by posting those?

Oct 03 06 10:48 pm Link

Model

Casey Brooke

Posts: 134

Reading, Kansas, US

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
Man.. I wanna start a model profile and bait these guys!  Any models wanna donate some pics?? hahaha  When he gets all hot and bothered I'll show him my hairy belly!

-PKD

haha. best idea ever.

Oct 03 06 11:02 pm Link

Photographer

Merlinpix

Posts: 7118

Farmingdale, New York, US

I'm always up for a free webcam show ladies: no crowding the line forms to the left.

Oct 04 06 08:48 am Link

Photographer

Lotus Photography

Posts: 19253

Berkeley, California, US

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
Man.. I wanna start a model profile and bait these guys!  Any models wanna donate some pics?? hahaha  When he gets all hot and bothered I'll show him my hairy belly!

-PKD

in the states we have something called cruel and unusual punishment

Oct 04 06 10:16 am Link

Photographer

Miles Chandler

Posts: 647

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

You mean.. I can just go on IM, find a random stranger, email them essentially just to ask for a webcam striptease- and they'll do it???

Wow, the world is a funny place.

Oct 04 06 12:52 pm Link

Model

KatieK

Posts: 619

Lawrence, Kansas, US

Maybe I'm too cautious, but I would NEVER do a 'webcam evaluation'.  I realize that we all like to hope and pray that someone will 'Discover' us, but the reality is that no legit agent, photographer, manager, etc would ever ask for a webcam striptease....whoops, I mean...evaluation.

Oct 04 06 01:06 pm Link