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Do not do nudes... so do not ask.....
Looking through models portfolios and I see they have put the above caption on their info page, go to look at their pictures and I see nudes. Ok what message are they sending. I do not understand it! Apr 27 05 08:45 pm Link maybe they meant they won't do nudes for free? Apr 27 05 08:52 pm Link Posted by pamela mars: That is my point, why do they not just say that! Apr 27 05 09:00 pm Link i agree-it's easy to say that. personally-i won't do nudes for free-maybe sheer-if it's gona be worth it-or if it was a world famous photographer and was gona help me bigtime-then i'd consider it. Apr 27 05 09:10 pm Link That's just part of the reason why I started a forum post titled "Nudity in Photography." I kept reading the same things, then seeing that they posted pictures containing nudity. That had gotten me to thinking that perhaps some models don't know the difference between Implied versus Artful Nudity, etc. Apr 27 05 09:12 pm Link I do not do nude for free either, I just wish the models would stop asking me during these TFP sessions, ;o) Still love that picture of yours! Posted by pamela mars: Apr 27 05 09:13 pm Link Posted by Aryx: I did post on your form also, I am glad to see I am not the only one. Apr 27 05 09:15 pm Link Going by past experience, nothing a model says on their web site is an absolute, except at the moment they are saying (typing) it. I've had models standing naked in front of me say: "I don't do nudes, but I want a nude picture for my b/f." I've had models tell me they were available for nudes, & then say they would not take their clothing off. And various shades in between. Apr 27 05 09:20 pm Link I must be some kind of freak, because I mean absolutely everything I say on my website and modeling profiles. I am compulsively straight forward. Apr 27 05 09:24 pm Link Posted by Stan Goldstein: Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from George Burns: Apr 27 05 09:24 pm Link Posted by Jack Checkowy: Yeah I just saw that... I didn't realize that it taken off like it did... of course, I don't hover on this site like I do on some others. heh Apr 27 05 09:33 pm Link Posted by theda: I looked at your portfolio and you are straight forward and the pictures inside match. Apr 27 05 09:35 pm Link Posted by theda: That would qualify for "freak" (chuckle). Of course, I got real honest in MY profile ... now no one talks to me ... Apr 27 05 09:42 pm Link Posted by Jack Checkowy: The thing that always amuses me is the fact that not only do models not mean everything they say in their profiles, but they assume that PHOTOGRAPHERS don't either! I make it clear on my profile that I do NOT shoot fashion, that I have no interest in it...but time after time I get emails from models wanting to do fashion shoots...I can only assume that because everything on THEIR profile is conditional then everything on MINE must be too. Apr 27 05 09:50 pm Link Posted by theda: Well Theda, we all have our special endearing qualities. I guess that's just one of yours. Apr 27 05 09:53 pm Link There's another possibility - they don't do nudes FOR YOU. I can think of a few models I work with who will do nudes with me, but won't with other photographers with whom they've not worked much. What they should say, I suppose, is "I will not shoot nudes unless I've worked with you before and we have a good working relationship." Apr 27 05 09:55 pm Link Posted by Joe Kozlowski: Woe. TOO honest. At least too detailed. The line between bluntness and just talkin' too damned much is a fine one indeed. Apr 27 05 09:56 pm Link Posted by theda: Posted by Joe Kozlowski: Woe. TOO honest. At least too detailed. The line between bluntness and just talkin' too damned much is a fine one indeed. Think I oughta shorten the list then? Apr 27 05 09:58 pm Link Haha, that is funny. I don't understand some people. Even if they had done nudes in the past and decided they wouldn't do it anymore, why would they put it in their portfolio on here anyway. I would just avoid all confrontations by saying it and leaving the nude photos out of the photos on the site. If they meant to say not doing it for free, they should be more careful when filling out their profile. I can't imagine how much work they must lose due to photographers thinking they're crazy for putting it on their profiles and stating the opposite in the text. Apr 27 05 10:22 pm Link Posted by Joe Kozlowski: Yeah, I think you ougtta shorten the whole text portion of your profile. I have to admit I got bored and didn't even finish reading it. Apr 27 05 10:46 pm Link Posted by Chris Ambler: Yeah! What he ^ said. Apr 27 05 11:03 pm Link Posted by theda: Holy freakin' crap. I think you just summarized my entire personality in one sentence! Apr 27 05 11:22 pm Link Posted by Chris Ambler: That's certainly what I've run into the most; and I can see someone not wanting to answer the "but I thought we had a good working relationship" prod if they don't feel comfortable going there but want to work with someone again. Partially I think it is a reaction to the e-mail you get if you don't say "no nudity". I'm do a lot of art modeling (life drawing sessions as well as photo), and therefore work more nude than clothed, and got fed up with the number of "fine art" photographers on OMP wanting to shoot soft-core, call it "figure study", and do it as TFP. Apr 28 05 01:20 am Link I've noticed that here and on OMP too...I asked a couple models bout that. One said, "I don't do nudes ANYMORE, but I loved that pic of me so I posted it", another "That's not nude, that's glamour!" (the shot was her on her tummy but not flat on her tummy, her ass was showing - but not the crack, and the SIDE of her breast was showing - but no nipple....to her that wasn't a nude, and she was truly STUNNED that anyone would think she did nudes. When I explained to both of them that it confuses us photogs, I was told by both of them that I had no business telling them what they should or should not post...needless to say I never worked with either of them Apr 28 05 02:50 am Link Mine says I am not interested in doing nudes right now. I may consider it in the future for other body paint shoots, but right now it's not something I'm intersted in. *nods* Apr 28 05 08:31 am Link Posted by theda: Posted by Joe Kozlowski: Yeah, I think you ougtta shorten the whole text portion of your profile. I have to admit I got bored and didn't even finish reading it. hummmmm ... a couple friends had a similar take ... guess it's time to break out the editor ... Apr 28 05 08:56 am Link One possible reason is that the model may be open to nudes, but only with photographers they are comfortable with. If you have nudes in your portfolio, then you can end up with a deluge of mediocre photographers spamming you wanting to shoot trashy pics. With photographers that the model already has a relationship with, and you trust both them and their work, it is different. Apr 28 05 08:57 am Link Echo the thoughts,That if you DONT/WONT do Artistic..Dont have mix messaged images posted Why send a double message ?? Apr 28 05 09:32 am Link Umm... Maybe they just want to show you what your working with when it comes to physical attributes... You know,"beneath everything - I really look like this... You know without the double bra padding and inserts, girdle, feet binding, butt boosting undies and ten layers of make up." You know... maybe... just a thought... Apr 28 05 10:40 am Link Yeah, I don't really understand this view... I don't do X, but do X... oh yeah and YOU can't use it. haha Posted by Stan Goldstein: Apr 28 05 10:50 am Link Well I make it clear "I DO NUDES"!!! But the photographers must be great. Apr 28 05 11:51 am Link I've had a model tell me she does topless but not nude. I think the Model who posts nudes but will not pose for them is just compling with the advertising adage "Sex Sells". 'Now that I have the photographers attention, they might hire me for more serious work.' On the other hand there are the Models that state they will pose nude, but have no nudes posted. I personally like to see what I'm getting before I hire a Model. Apr 28 05 12:21 pm Link Posted by Steven Abel: yeah, i agree. i know a lot of models who SAY they don't do nudes but would do them with a trusted photographer. otherwise, if they list that they do nudes, they end up with lots of unwanted messages from shadey "photographers" and offers for porn. Apr 28 05 02:00 pm Link Posted by Tiff-Marie: What defines a "great" photographer though? On more than one occasion, I've see the word "great" turn out to mean "big time photographer with bland images who pays." I don't really have a problem with that, but the fact is it's still a mixed message. This is why i make it clear in my own profile that i'm only willing to pay a model that offers something one-of-a-kind to my work [and i have a clear listing of what those things are as well]. Saying that I would only pay a "great" model would be meaningless. Apr 28 05 02:12 pm Link I think a big communication gap lies within what some people consider "artistic" and others don't. I have artistic nude checked on my OMP profile, but not nude. I noticed I was getting the same offers, but that the word artistic would strategically be placed in front of nude- regardless of what the images on the photographer's profile looked like. To me, a naked girl standing in a living room, poorly lit to boot- isn't artistic nudity. I could have anybody shoot that in my own living room- and there are plenty of GWC out there, whose only interest is getting girls naked... the camera is just a prop. (And of course there are lots of quality guys out there too, I don't mean to stereotype.) Apr 28 05 02:27 pm Link In my photographic career, a model that boldly states "I do not do nude, so do not ask" is really wanting to stop scores of requests from ill mannered unprofessionals who just want to find girls to shoot nude and other things. It is kind of a anti-spam statement...but to me it falls short of the target. Her target is to attract professional work not shout at ass holes. When I see this I suspect the model is impatient, intolerant, or both, so I usually avoid emailing them about potential projects even if they have "the look" I might want. Apr 28 05 04:43 pm Link it's a real pain to have to prod a model to take off that damn bra so that that dress I want to put on her won't have bra straps running across the back. and yes lots of photographers want to get girls naked. sheesh. if you're a guy and you have no interest in seeing a girl naked you're either lying or gay. but that's not why I'm taking photos anyway there's no need to say "I don't do nude" because it's irritating to have all these restrictions. just take a look at an offer, check out the photographer's/client's work, if it looks like trash then trash it Apr 28 05 05:07 pm Link Posted by Washphoto: I could not have put it any better. The saddest part is that the clowns the statement is meant to deter simply ignore it, while real photographers are the ones put off...The minute I see a rant on a model's page, I close it an move on to the next page without fail. Apr 28 05 06:05 pm Link And sometimes it doesn't even matter. My wife (a model) was asked to do a nude shoot with a semi-pro (and I'm being kind). She said no, but since he had some decent work in his portfolio, agreed to do fashion and a little lingerie. Suffice it to say that the whole shoot was lingerie, and he spent the whole time talking about all the great nude shoots he's done, trying to rationalize how lingerie is close enough to nude that she should just do it anyway, and coming just short of begging. She took a friend of ours as an escort, and he said that it took all of his self-control not to bust out laughing throughout the afternoon. Good thing I wasn't there, or I wouldn't have laughed, I would have calmly explained how unprofessional he was being and that the shoot was over. That's one reason I don't accompany her to shoots unless I know the photographer and know that I won't get in the way. As it turns out, she got one good shot out of the day, and this guy probably got some spank material (crude, I apologize, but it seems to have been the intent). This is precisely why she says she doesn't do nude or erotic. She won't do erotic at all, but she'll do nude - but only if she has a working relationship with you, is comfortable, and trust that any shots that are "oops" or over the top won't be used. This seems to be 80% of the models who won't do nudes. The other 20% just have no desire at all (and I can respect that). Apr 28 05 06:26 pm Link I only do nudes, so for anything else, don't ask! Apr 28 05 07:05 pm Link |
