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Model

Sascha

Posts: 2217

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

why do some models I find on MM have their own websites?  Does having their own websites help them at all, especially when they are not pro models?    Most fashion models that actually have agencies don't have websites... only fansites, if at all.

Perhaps my question more specifically is this:  Do having/running own websites benefit fashion or commercial models in anyway?  (I know many glamour models have their own websites, sometimes even paysites, and I can see how there's definitely a niche to do that online for models in that field)

Aug 10 05 02:19 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Sascha wrote:
why do some models I find on MM have their own websites?  Does having their own websites help them at all, especially when they are not pro models?    Most fashion models that actually have agencies don't have websites... only fansites, if at all.

Perhaps my question more specifically is this:  Do having/running own websites benefit fashion or commercial models in anyway?  (I know many glamour models have their own websites, sometimes even paysites, and I can see how there's definitely a niche to do that online for models in that field)

To answer your question ... YES!  It certainly doesn't hurt, and it can only benefit a model to have a website. Many models promote themselves, and others take it a few steps further by selling product, and image down loads and subscriptions. You don't have to do porn!

As far as fashion or commercial, well Elite and Fords have websites, and many "commercail" models I know who get their income from landbased gigs do have websites.

The Internet is an equalizer for many models! If you are too short to walk the runways, live in the middle of nowhere, but know how to direct your own shots as well as do some webmastering, you too can make a good living by being an Internet Model. Here ia the link to a friend of mine who I found on OMP 4 years ago. PattyCakeOnline She is probably the most successful barely non nude tease model I know on the 'net. She has over 1,000 regular subscribers (members) paying $20 a month for her site. That is $20,000 gross income per month.  She has another website she is developing which will open soon.  Patty is barely 5' tall and she has consistent standards that make her a successful model in my eyes. SHe is a great example of how an Internet model can make it!

Aug 10 05 03:13 am Link

Photographer

Michael Gundelach

Posts: 763

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

I actually DO wonder who pays for this stuff. There's a lot of it for FREE on the web....

But back to topic. I agree that it doesn'T hurt having your own website. I guess it's the same with MM. Why be a member here. It's all about getting known and promoting yourself. Online you have a much wider variety on how to show yourself and of course WHAT to show...

Aug 10 05 03:18 am Link

Model

Tathena

Posts: 131

Evansville, Indiana, US

How do you make a site like hers?

Aug 10 05 03:19 am Link

Photographer

Michael Gundelach

Posts: 763

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Sweet_T_02 wrote:
How do you make a site like hers?

very easy... LOL

It's all about html or java or flash (if you want to)...
Check aut Lindsay Jollys site (www.lindsayjolly.com). I did hers and it's so easy made... I can teach you in almost no time....

Of course Lindsay's site isn't a paysite and it's rather professional businesslike... but that's just a question on what to put on - the paysite level is just some script issue (java, php...whatever)

Aug 10 05 03:23 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Hartsoe wrote:
I actually DO wonder who pays for this stuff. There's a lot of it for FREE on the web....

But back to topic. I agree that it doesn'T hurt having your own website. I guess it's the same with MM. Why be a member here. It's all about getting known and promoting yourself. Online you have a much wider variety on how to show yourself and of course WHAT to show...

Yes, it's strange but true.  One of the first things I did when I got my first computer in late 2000 (don't laugh, I was a little slow to buy into the whole Internet thing! LOL)  was to join OMP and then noticed an early "glamour model" site that have multiple models on it. Out of curiousity, I bought a month membership.  It was sort of an educational thing for me to do.

Now you can find many free content sites (of which this ModelMayhem and OMP are to be considered for browsers) and many porn sites for free.

What blew me away is when I learned that MySpace has over 20 BILLION users!  It's NOT that hard to get a few hundred .. even a few thousand "members" to pay to view your website!

Aug 10 05 03:26 am Link

Photographer

Michael Gundelach

Posts: 763

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Patrick Walberg wrote:
What blew me away is when I learned that MySpace has over 20 BILLION users!  It's NOT that hard to get a few hundred .. even a few thousand "members" to pay to view your website!

That is hard to believe indeed, since the world population is about 6 Billion right now...

Aug 10 05 03:31 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Hartsoe wrote:
I actually DO wonder who pays for this stuff. There's a lot of it for FREE on the web....

But back to topic. I agree that it doesn'T hurt having your own website. I guess it's the same with MM. Why be a member here. It's all about getting known and promoting yourself. Online you have a much wider variety on how to show yourself and of course WHAT to show...

You are taking a huge step just by asking.  I know webmasters, including a female model who has recently dropped her site and is looking for website work.  I know many webmasters and photographers who do this as well as the models.  It's not all that simple, it takes time, but you can do it!  E-mail me directly at Patrick and I'll write you in more detail, answer questions and send you some more links to check out. After making a study of it, I'm even writing a book on this whole Internet modeling phenomena.

The Internet has become an equalizer for women to run their own business, and to by pass all the restrictions of the traditional modeling industry.  Even so, it is nothing compared to the changes I see instore for the music industry because of the Intenet! LOL

Aug 10 05 03:36 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Hartsoe wrote:
That is hard to believe indeed, since the world population is about 6 Billion right now...

I saw that number posted on here in response to a post about MySpace being bought ... let me check that out. I should know better than to take someone's post on MM as being accurate! LOL

Aug 10 05 03:38 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:

I saw that number posted on here in response to a post about MySpace being bought ... let me check that out. I should know better than to take someone's post on MM as being accurate! LOL

Yes, you are right! I really need to double check the figures regarding the sale of MySpace. It was part of a package of other websites ... sold to Fox News Inc. 

My point is that it is a very successful website and it is not that difficult to get a few hundred paying members, then in to the thousands ... or more.

Aug 10 05 03:44 am Link

Wardrobe Stylist

heybabyusa

Posts: 17

Los Angeles, California, US

If anyone needs a website like that, just let me know! I just finished creating the website for Hey Baby of California and right now I'm managing the marketing for it, so come check out the site . . . . pretty please with sugar on top?

Aug 10 05 04:03 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

heybabyusa_com wrote:
If anyone needs a website like that, just let me know! I just finished creating the website for Hey Baby of California and right now I'm managing the marketing for it, so come check out the site . . . . pretty please with sugar on top?

Well I see that my link didn't work for my e-mail address. But I'd like to ask you some questions about your billing.  It's through Yahoo?  Maybe we can combine efforts?

Aug 10 05 04:18 am Link

Photographer

Chuck Holliday

Posts: 484

New York, New York, US

i say it only helps, because like the person said earlier, the babe might be in a town thats not really accessible to things, therefore exposing her to the general cities in a way that could not happen without the internet.

you also have quite a few industry people who dont really roam OMP and MM and things like that, and because they are so "straight to the point" they will rather just try and google a babe's name in hopes of their own website instead of having to go here to click here to click there just to get to her. some people arent going through all of that.

plus, what happens if tyler or the other dude who runs the other spot decide they want to do repairs and shut the sites down for a few hours, even a day? the models who dont have websites are out of luck, as opposed to the ones who have one, they still have that viable platform to be seen daily.

i provide websites for all of my clients, even if they are just starting out, because it only helps, but so far its been great, it seems they get more inquiries in the process, who knows why, but thats been the case for all 8

Aug 10 05 04:32 am Link

Model

Sascha

Posts: 2217

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

well, I didn't quite mean agency websites or free networking sites like MM when I said "model websites"... I meant the websites, like some mentioned here, that are more like fansites/paysites. 

Say, for instance, you're and amateur that wants to do fashion and you're not seeking ways to make money through websites (if you are, you'd probably do more glamour work than fashion to attract men), but considering building their own site in hope to get more work that way, and maybe hope that legitimate agencies will find your website and be interested in signing you.  But your photos are mediocure, and you're an amateur.  Then what's the point of having personal websites like that?  OR, is it safe to assume that most girls that DO have personal websites are merely seeking to make money by having that site? 

It's really not a big deal, but I found it interesting that many models on MM who in their profiles say they'd like to do fashion/hi-fashion work will have links to a personal website that's really all glamour, swimwear, lingerie, and in some occasions nude.  And the idea of having a site like that doesn't seem to contribute to them getting fashion work at all.  In fact there was a mention of a young amateur MM model in another thread that had a link to  a personal website, but she wants $125/hour with 3 hour minimum, and she says she doesn't do nude/implied nude,lingerie, or glamour.  But the concept of having such websites only makes sense to me if you are trying to make money off of your photos, and usually that means glamour photography and nudes.  I do agree such sites would make them money, tho : P

Aug 10 05 05:13 am Link

Photographer

Michael Gundelach

Posts: 763

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Well, I think it's a phenomenon of society here... Actually right now it is "hip" to have your own website. And since it is easy to do and maintain almost everybody has one - even those who shouldn't.
On the other hand it's a media driven industry they (the models) want to work in. So it might be vital to show, that you're inside the media nad know what to do...
That a lot of the people out there actually don't know what they do is another topic... ;o)

Furthermore some so called boyfriend/agents might think it's cool to have "their" model online and ask big bucks for hosting/maintain such a site...

Aug 10 05 05:19 am Link

Model

Sascha

Posts: 2217

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Hartsoe wrote:
Well, I think it's a phenomenon of society here... Actually right now it is "hip" to have your own website. And since it is easy to do and maintain almost everybody has one - even those who shouldn't.
On the other hand it's a media driven industry they (the models) want to work in. So it might be vital to show, that you're inside the media nad know what to do...
That a lot of the people out there actually don't know what they do is another topic... ;o)

Furthermore some so called boyfriend/agents might think it's cool to have "their" model online and ask big bucks for hosting/maintain such a site...

lol I like the boyfriend part.  funny ; )

Well, once I have more samples made from my clothing line I may have a website for that!

Aug 10 05 05:32 am Link

Photographer

Michael Gundelach

Posts: 763

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

LOL - I would be happy to help you out with that (if even nessecary) :-)

Aug 10 05 05:52 am Link

Model

Hel Inferna

Posts: 112

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I have a site and it helps photogrpahers see what I have done, websites that are interested in content can see what I've done, and fans can keep up with where to find pics of me and stuff.

Aug 10 05 06:32 am Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

A lot of people have websites for sillier reasons than to show their modeling or faux modeling work. I had my website for a few yuars before turing it into an online portfolio.

The site is designed the way I want it and I can refer people to that link that better shows my online portfolio than any of the listing sites.

And yes, I have gotten a couple of bookings directly through my website.

Aug 10 05 09:55 am Link

Model

Naomi Jay

Posts: 1436

New York, New York, US

I think it helps to have a site no matter what you do...even if you are signed to Elite or whatever...you never know. (the fashion photographers do so why not models?) Especially since they take SO many pics.

I do commercial print and it has helped me TREMENDOUSLY!

Aug 10 05 09:55 am Link

Photographer

Chuck Holliday

Posts: 484

New York, New York, US

personally, i feel that just because your work isnt "highly regarded" that doesnt mean you cant have a website. the purpose in getting into a field is to get better by the day, right? so even though some of the models with websites may not be putting out A-grade content, that doesnt justify them at least putting an effort into what they want to do. also to remember - some models are doing it on the side, some are hustling this as their day job, so the approach by a model on their website is always going to be different, and the same for photographers and moguls. certain dudes on here get bashed because they arent "uppidy" or whatever, but maybe theyre not doing this as their day job.

a company or person might see that babe who might have "questionable" content and see potential in that person and feels they can take them to the next level. but at least she made the effort to put the website out and be seen rather than to sit around on community type websites no-showing TFP shoots and wondering why they arent getting any leads.

Aug 10 05 11:09 am Link

Model

sthompson

Posts: 52

I'm collaboratively working with a handful of models here on MM putting sites together for each of them.  Some are membership sites, some are free favors to fix up sites that just look...ummm...bad (for lack of a better word).

If the type of site you are looking for is either, or you have something that just isn't getting the feel that you want, drop me a line.  I have some of my portfolio online right now and as the model's sites start to go public, those will be displayed as well.

Take care and God Bless,
Shawn
[email protected]

Aug 10 05 11:18 am Link

Model

Joelle

Posts: 146

Seattle, Washington, US

I use my website to post more pictures.  I can only post twenty pictures here.  On MM I have to post a variety of pictures hoping to have the genre that "the photographer" (whomever that might be) is looking for.

However, with the many genre's there are in modeling I'll be lucky to get to post two of each genre (right now, not a big problem since I have only shot in a few different categories but, as time goes on it could very well become an issue)  My site provides me a chance to show other pictures from the genre "the photographer" is interested in shooting.  I can show a variety of outfits, poses, and expressions and give a wider collection of pictures that would be a better representation of what I can do in the particular category he is looking at.

Aug 10 05 11:32 am Link

Photographer

C R Photography

Posts: 3594

Pleasanton, California, US

Having your own site really projects the seriousness of your modeling.

Relying on MM, OMP or Musecube as your portfolio saves you $$, but does not suggest your sincerity.

It used to be a fad to have your own name.com.

Now it's become more of a tool.

Aug 10 05 11:43 am Link

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Basheer

Posts: 41

Palo Alto, California, US

A clean professional website can make all the difference between getting selected and being discarded!!!

When we get applications for various projects/castings we post, we always get hundreds of myspace, omp, modelmayhem, musecube, yahoophotos, msnspaces, etc links ... some of which don't even work because the person sent the wrong link!

We when see a professional website with a clean ad free presentation under its own domain name, we take notice!

It's like everything else, presentation is sometimes more important than content.

Lots of places offer very good website packages that are not a "portfolio type place" ... I can point you to some good companies, just send me a message if interested.

Aug 10 05 11:44 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

C R Photography wrote:
Having your own site really projects the seriousness of your modeling.

Relying on MM, OMP or Musecube as your portfolio saves you $$, but does not suggest your sincerity.

It used to be a fad to have your own name.com.

Now it's become more of a tool.

That is true, anyone can have a website nowadays!

Depending on sites like OMP and ModelMayhem is not the most secure idea. So having your own website  can be an effective tool for promotion or even making a direct income.

From the old days before OMP became so picky about offsite links, I found a huge variety of websites that are owned by models and photographers!  Everything from sites to promote clothes, fitness instruction, nutritional products, make up, paysites, as well as the photographer and model direct promotional sites.  One thing that bothers me is if a photographer sets up a site and sells "images" of models ... he gets "Kudos and High 5's" for doing so!  But if a female model is successful at running her own "paysite" then the majority of people who are uneducated as to what it takes to webmaster your own site will call her all the nasty names from bitch, slut to Whore ... but she is doing the same damn thing the "nice" Mr.Photog/webmaster guy is doing with his "glamour" site! It is a male dominated business to this day! 

Sometimes I think I'm just a rare breed of man because I truly LOVE women!  It's funny that I am a white looking male who has mostly black, Hispanic and Asian men as buddies, and many women friends of mine are closer friends to me than my male buddies.  Maybe it's childlike of me but I have always been open to being friends with all people regardless of whatever lame excuse a person can come up with regarding physical things like age, color, sexual preference or religion.  My family (including my dad!) were mostly school teachers and coaches.

What's this have to do with websites?  Well just as there are many kinds of people, there are just about as many websites!  I don't care who you are, if you set up a website, it will be different than anyone else's! (Unless you copy exactly, then it's illegal copyright infringement!) Even though there are what I call "formula" websites that use similar templates and structure ... they ARE different depending on content.

Some models do "pin up" or cheesecake sites and sell memberships. I mentioned being friends with Patty who has Pattycakeonline.com. My friend Patty reminds me of a blond Bettie Page, but without the bondage content. She does exactly what she wants for her site and does so without a male figure telling her differently. She has developed a unique style of her own, and I admire that! So Patty's website is an example of a successful paysite online.

If you set up a website of your own, just be sure you are being true to yourself in how your site presents you. If you are going towards working in mainstream commercial modeling, a "paysite" may not be for you.  If you are a photographer who shoots glamour, don't set up a wedding photography site! LOL 

Look at where your interests are. Maybe in addition to modeling, you are a fitness consultant?  I have seen a few sites where models use their own pictures for that. You might be an actress or dance instructor ... these are things that you can promote on your personal website.  You can also sell products on your website. From photo products, to make up and clothes! It's really only limited by your thinking! Then of course there is the "subscription" site!

If you are too short for runway or high fashion, then setting up a paysite might be your thing!  Patty is barely 5' tall and lived in the middle of Ohio when I first saw her profile on OMP 4 years ago. You can just take a look at her and see there is little chance that she was going to make it in mainstream runway or high fashion modeling.  But she came up with the business plan for her site which is doing well, and she has another website in the works.

Nudity is not necessary as Patty's is a non nude site, but there are models who do glamour nudes too. There are also fetish sites. There are a lot of creative ideas that can catch attention to your modeling and your site. But having a "paysite" is not for everyone ... (as many find out!)

OK, this is getting rather long ... but my point being that I agree with you that is "used to be a fad" and now it is more of a "tool" but it can also be a primary source of income for some too!

Aug 10 05 04:18 pm Link

Model

Goddess Erinys

Posts: 323

West Palm Beach, Florida, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:

To answer your question ... YES!  It certainly doesn't hurt, and it can only benefit a model to have a website. Many models promote themselves, and others take it a few steps further by selling product, and image down loads and subscriptions. You don't have to do porn!

As far as fashion or commercial, well Elite and Fords have websites, and many "commercail" models I know who get their income from landbased gigs do have websites.

The Internet is an equalizer for many models! If you are too short to walk the runways, live in the middle of nowhere, but know how to direct your own shots as well as do some webmastering, you too can make a good living by being an Internet Model. Here ia the link to a friend of mine who I found on OMP 4 years ago. PattyCakeOnline She is probably the most successful barely non nude tease model I know on the 'net. She has over 1,000 regular subscribers (members) paying $20 a month for her site. That is $20,000 gross income per month.  She has another website she is developing which will open soon.  Patty is barely 5' tall and she has consistent standards that make her a successful model in my eyes. SHe is a great example of how an Internet model can make it!

i have a website..it is NOT a paysite and there is no porn..but i do very well with it and it does pay off..atleast for me.

Aug 10 05 04:50 pm Link

Photographer

Hugh Jorgen

Posts: 2850

Ashland, Oregon, US

As Bruce lee says if its effective use it!!

Aug 10 05 04:56 pm Link

Model

Jordan

Posts: 4067

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Sascha wrote:
why do some models I find on MM have their own websites?  Does having their own websites help them at all, especially when they are not pro models?    Most fashion models that actually have agencies don't have websites... only fansites, if at all.

Perhaps my question more specifically is this:  Do having/running own websites benefit fashion or commercial models in anyway?  (I know many glamour models have their own websites, sometimes even paysites, and I can see how there's definitely a niche to do that online for models in that field)

I agree with the statement "couldnt hurt" to have one smile

Aug 10 05 05:04 pm Link

Model

chelsey

Posts: 154

Lea Hill, Washington, US

if you can afford it do it.  easy way to hand a comp card with 3 or 4 photos with your website on it for someone to check out the rest of your stuff

Aug 10 05 05:06 pm Link

Photographer

Toby Jorgensen

Posts: 22

Los Angeles, California, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Yes, you are right! I really need to double check the figures regarding the sale of MySpace. It was part of a package of other websites ... sold to Fox News Inc. 



Toby's comment:
The website was sold to Murdoc the British media-king. He paid a rdicilous amount of cash for it. However Murdoc is an old guy who has not adapted the "Internet" until last year. We are doing some business with this guy, and frankly, the only thing of interest is to keep track of the behaviour of the users (legally). Drop me a line if you need information on this.

Toby

Aug 10 05 05:06 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45477

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Larisa Burdeynaya wrote:
i have a website..it is NOT a paysite and there is no porn..but i do very well with it and it does pay off..at least for me.

Yes, having a website is usually a positive thing. But I realize I made it sound like "paysites" are the way to go because I know models who have 'em ... but I did say this ...

Patrick Walberg wrote:
There are a lot of creative ideas that can catch attention to your modeling and your site. But having a "paysite" is not for everyone ... (as many find out!)

So it takes a lot more than throwing a few pictures up and charging!  I didn't mean to make it sound that easy.  I guess I was just passionate about the positive aspects of Internet modeling because so many people have put the modeling for paysites down.  But a successful 'net model does not care what others think of her!  Not while she is laughing all the way to the bank!  BUT it takes a tremendous amount of work to run a successful paysite!

Aug 11 05 02:56 pm Link

Model

Cynthia Leigh

Posts: 799

Orlando, Florida, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I know webmasters, including a female model who has recently dropped her site and is looking for website work.

Hell, I'm one of them, but in more of a "I've stopped running my paysite because it took too much time and I didn't get squat out of it."

I want to keep my site, but that's only because I plan to sell costumes, hand-made hair accessories, and such off of it and it's just a good networking tool too.  I can post more pictures on my website than I can on here or any other site.  It's also great to let fans know what I'm doing, etc.

Aug 11 05 05:52 pm Link

Photographer

CharliesImages

Posts: 174

Raleigh, Illinois, US

Basheer wrote:
We when see a professional website with a clean ad free presentation under its own domain name, we take notice!

That's the main reason that I have my own website, http://charliesimages.com smile  It is an extra incentive for the model to know that if she works with me, she gets free promotion as a Featured Model.  Always looks good to be able to list in credits!

Aug 11 05 05:55 pm Link

Model

Kavonna

Posts: 168

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I have my own website, it is not a paysite but I can make it one if i want to, I get quite a few job offers not any that I was appealed to but none the less, I get alot of people to email saying they love my site. I got it on Imodels.com it was very easy to set up, I wish I could have found someone to make me one up instead of going to a ready made site setup, but I think it just gets me more exposure to help me get started

Aug 11 05 08:36 pm Link

Model

Jeri Lynn Astra

Posts: 240

Pleasantville, New York, US

It's absolutely a tool. For example, if someone says "I'd like to see more pictures", I give them the link to my site. That way, they may see a wider selection of photos in the genre of their interest with having to open ten attachments. Also, it makes it easier for me to compare shots when I'm redoing my physical book.

Aug 12 05 12:44 am Link

Model

Brandy Engle

Posts: 257

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

Yes, I am going to have to change my site and put just strictly portfolio stuff and stuff with diff photographers and shizzle. But yeah, it can't hurt you and having your own domain isn't expensive at all now. I do all my own site design so I don't have to worry about anyone else trying to control what is on the site and what it says. tongue I really should change it up now. it's getting boring to me.

Aug 12 05 02:40 am Link

Photographer

Chuck Holliday

Posts: 484

New York, New York, US

and on top of that, who wants to type in www.yaddayaddayadda.com/yaddayadda/number50210/ when they can just type in www.yourname.com

i think its what seperates the major leaguers from the triple A players.

Aug 12 05 03:07 am Link

Model

Brandy Engle

Posts: 257

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

Chuck Holliday wrote:
and on top of that, who wants to type in www.yaddayaddayadda.com/yaddayadda/number50210/ when they can just type in www.yourname.com

i think its what seperates the major leaguers from the triple A players.

Word. hahah yeah, and the non free email accounts ROCK! hahah

Aug 12 05 03:15 am Link

Model

Sascha

Posts: 2217

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

thanks for sharing your experiences, all. 

I know websites help photographers alot because I know I search photographers that way too, but I was just curious if a fashion model's personal website will create enough exposure & jobs to outway the cost of maintaining/creating the site. 

Good to know  : )

Aug 12 05 03:16 am Link