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Photographer

Raven Photography

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Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Am I just being picky or is this red backdrop just not perfect enough for a commercial shoot ?

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Sep 14 06 03:25 am Link

Photographer

- Jake -

Posts: 794

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

it looks ok to me but it looks like there is some kind of bad compression happening aka jpeg artifacts

Sep 14 06 03:26 am Link

Photographer

- Jake -

Posts: 794

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

after looking at your port i think its actually my favorite of your images

Sep 14 06 03:28 am Link

Photographer

Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:
it looks ok to me but it looks like there is some kind of bad compression happening aka jpeg artifacts

Can you tell me where you can see this bad compression you speak of ?

Sep 14 06 03:31 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:
after looking at your port i think its actually my favorite of your images

Favourite ! lol, its my aunt. Its a test run.

Sep 14 06 03:32 am Link

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- Jake -

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Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Raven Photography wrote:

Can you tell me where you can see this bad compression you speak of ?

mostly around the edges of your aunt. lol if the paper is bothering you perhaps use a more open aperture and allow it to be a little more blurred. if you are using strobes that might require a neutral density filter or two though

Sep 14 06 03:34 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:

mostly around the edges of your aunt. lol if the paper is bothering you perhaps use a more open aperture and allow it to be a little more blurred. if you are using strobes that might require a neutral density filter or two though

Yes I have thought about opening the aperture to put the background more out of focus but wouldnt the studio flash be too dark set at say f/4. I usually set the flash strength to f/8 or f/11.

Sep 14 06 03:38 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Actually to be more precise. Look at the red backdrop on the right hand side. It has light and dark patches. Compared to the top and top left the red is perfectly smooth in tone.

Maybe I should light up the backdrop with one flash and place a second flash on the model. Although if the backdrop still isnt perfectly smooth it may just show up more patchy.

Sep 14 06 03:42 am Link

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- Jake -

Posts: 794

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Raven Photography wrote:

Yes I have thought about opening the aperture to put the background more out of focus but wouldnt the studio flash be too dark set at say f/4. I usually set the flash strength to f/8 or f/11.

im up a little late, i dont totally grasp what you mean, are you saying you have a flash that has some kind of measurements in f-stops? all the strobes i have used dont have such measurements and i rely on an incident meter to see what aperture to set the photo at usually the strobes are too powerfull for lower apertures (rarely have i shot below f8 with them) but if i use a ND filter to compensate for the flash being super bright i can open up a few stops. maybe it would help to know what gear you are using

Sep 14 06 03:46 am Link

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- Jake -

Posts: 794

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Raven Photography wrote:
Actually to be more precise. Look at the red backdrop on the right hand side. It has light and dark patches. Compared to the top and top left the red is perfectly smooth in tone.

i think using a more narrow DOF would reduce that, otherwise it might require a reflecter or a light or a new red backdrop. at that size i didnt notice it as a problem and maybe it adds some character even lol.

Sep 14 06 03:48 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:

im up a little late, i dont totally grasp what you mean, are you saying you have a flash that has some kind of measurements in f-stops? all the strobes i have used dont have such measurements and i rely on an incident meter to see what aperture to set the photo at usually the strobes are too powerfull for lower apertures (rarely have i shot below f8 with them) but if i use a ND filter to compensate for the flash being super bright i can open up a few stops. maybe it would help to know what gear you are using

Oh so thats what you meant by using the ND filters. I didnt understand that at first.

I measure my strobes with an incident light meter too. Your right I wont be able to get the 500w strobes anywhere below f/8 as they are too strong.

In my opinion the red backdrop without a perfectly smooth colour tone (disregarding brighter areas of light and shadow that form part of the final result.) just isnt good enough for a professional shoot. I'm just wondering if I should go buy a new red backdrop but for all I know it may have patches on it too.

Sep 14 06 03:56 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:

i think using a more narrow DOF would reduce that, otherwise it might require a reflecter or a light or a new red backdrop. at that size i didnt notice it as a problem and maybe it adds some character even lol.

Thanks for your help EATENalive. Especially since its so late over there. I appreciate it smile

Sep 14 06 03:57 am Link

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- Jake -

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Salt Lake City, Utah, US

no problem (photoshopping a little on the red is another fine solution since its basically a solid patch of gradation/color it wouldnt be too tough to smooth out in post processing or at least in my oppinion it wouldnt be)

Sep 14 06 04:02 am Link

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Raven Photography

Posts: 2547

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

EATENalive wrote:
no problem (photoshopping a little on the red is another fine solution since its basically a solid patch of gradation/color it wouldnt be too tough to smooth out in post processing or at least in my oppinion it wouldnt be)

Yes I thought of that too. No it would be an easy job for me also. I might just need to do that. I just like my images turning out as perfect as possible the moment I take the photo.

Sep 14 06 04:05 am Link

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- Jake -

Posts: 794

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Raven Photography wrote:

Yes I thought of that too. No it would be an easy job for me also. I might just need to do that. I just like my images turning out as perfect as possible the moment I take the photo.

yeah its good to get as much of it under control as possible in the initial shot. hopefully you get the results you're looking for

Sep 14 06 04:10 am Link