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Breasts don't mean 'art.'
I get so frustrated with guys who take dull, flat, meaningless photographs of models who are partially or fully nude and expect us all to believe they're artists for it. Your ability to talk somebody out of their clothes doesn't mean you have anything relevant or creative to say. I don't judge it: just don't go calling yourself an artist unless it's either aesthetically powerful, or expresses something -- ANYthing -- or is at the very least deliberately crafted with some semblance of skill. Just a rant; don't mind me. Sep 09 06 09:28 am Link i concur .... it seems as though there are enough "photographers" out there who just want to get a girl naked in thier studio ... and i've heard some very creepy stories from girls that i've shot , about a bunch of photographers that claim to be professional ... if you dont have a story to tell , dont have somthing to say , or dont have the ability to say it with your camera .... thats fine , just dont claim artist status ... Sep 09 06 09:34 am Link TOTALLY. This is why Im turned off by the term artistic nude. If something is artistic- you dont have to tell people by naming it so- they will know when they see it. I shoot glam nudes and sometimes just nudes. If someone finds one of my images artistic- right on- but it wasnt to run some "angle" to talk a girl out of her clothes. -Jose Sep 09 06 09:39 am Link While some of my work necessitates breasts being exposed, it is not for me to label my work as art. It is up to others to determine if my finished product is worthy of that label. To some, what I do could be considered art, while others just gaze at it because boobs, butt, etc, is exposed. The ones that can give objective opinions are the opinions that matter to me. Ego is a double edged sword where you need to have a little ego to feel that others might want to view your work, but humility is necessary as well so we can keep things in perspective. I refuse to label myself as an artist....thats only a title others can use to describe me if they feel my work warrants that praise. I would assume the same title would apply to photographers as well. Whether they shoot glamour, casual, swimsuit, nudes, or any other type of work, they are just photographers until someone other than themselves determines their work is worthy of being considered art. Sep 09 06 09:41 am Link Well somebody has to make the rules, And I'm pretty sure the last memo I got laid them out as follow...... Naken womoen = ART Naked men = PORN now quality is a different issue alltogether, We may need a different thread for that. Sep 09 06 10:07 am Link ...blah, blah, blah. "and God Created Woman" https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1309292 ...breasts and all. Celebrate life and call it what you will. Sep 09 06 10:12 am Link what a beautiful day Sep 09 06 10:14 am Link swhnyc wrote: neither does a 'paintbrush' Sep 09 06 10:16 am Link why not just let people do their thing and you do your thing. We could all live in peace and harmony. why other peoples pictures actually FUSTRATE others is beyond me. and i could also continue to profit off selling the same bridge daily. Sep 09 06 10:17 am Link I agree with the OP here. I used to do "artistic nudes" but have since removed that fact from my port. I was just getting too many offers for paying work that was supposed to be artistic, then when I get to the shoot, the truth comes out. "sit indian style and touch yourself..Make a horney face and pinch your nipples, etc." Then when I refuse, they say something like "your port said you do this kind of thing, don't tell me I just wasted all this time for nothing. You don't expect to get payed still do you?" Forget it, now I don't take off my clothes, not even for the sake of art. Sep 09 06 10:19 am Link dgold wrote: What's this link supposed to go to? I just get a standard GMail menu. Sep 09 06 10:21 am Link MsChris wrote: That is a shame. Art's loss. Sep 09 06 10:24 am Link I shoot Fine Art Nudes. The semantics are there to seperate me from the "...sit indian style and make a horney face..." images MsChris mentioned loving to do so much! AND in the hope that when she sees MY work she may reconsider her statement. LOL! Mike Sep 09 06 10:26 am Link Mike Walker wrote: Mike, I think your work is gorgeous. And I realize a lot of this seems totally subjective and who am I to say what's art and what's not? But at the same time, you're able to use lighting in a subtly suggestive way to create a kind of narrative in your shots. Like, what as it called, "Last Time With Amy" or something like that? You're able to use the selective nudity and the ring of shadow to develop a sense of exhausted isolation which is very effective. It's certainly not the work of some GWC with delusions of grandeur. Sep 09 06 10:31 am Link Capt Stu Beans wrote: Thanks for the compliment. Sep 09 06 10:32 am Link MsChris wrote: It's very unfortunate you had those experiences and I can certainly understand why you chose to stop. But there are some photographers who specifically don't ask you to do such things or play a "bait and switch" game on models. Perhaps one day you'll find people to work with who aren't playing those sorts of games with you. Sep 09 06 10:32 am Link I agree with the OP. There are so many people with absolutely no skill, vision, preperation abilities, and talent who believe that they are doing something artistic because they have a nipple showing. There are also the 'artists' who believe they are artistic because they tarnsfer these images to black and white. These remind me of the people who shoot women with a flower or a teddy bear and call it glamour: puh-leaze!!!! I do my thing and others do theirs, but it is always good to see that there are others on MM who havesimilar values!!! Sep 09 06 10:33 am Link Mike Walker wrote: You do have some very beautiful nude work up. From the looks of your port, you are not the kind of perverted photographer I am speaking of. Sep 09 06 10:34 am Link Michael Donovan wrote: So, what you're saying is I shouldn't use that teddy bear I've been saving all these months...? Damn! And I suppose you're going to say the caution tape is right out as well. Some people take all the fun out of aaaaart... Sep 09 06 10:36 am Link a great artist I know and respect once said Pictures can be works of art, or they can be visual information. Art is usually done for the benefit of the artist, so there is no need for others to like, dislike, or give an opinion on it. However, there is a narrow space where we try to take pictures that we like & others will also like. It a VERY, VERY, narrow space, with a slippery floor, a low ceiling & no side rails. Sep 09 06 10:39 am Link Pat Thielen wrote: I've been approached by photographers that are legit on here, but they never offer paying work. This is completely understandable, but I have a toddler to feed and bills to pay; so I guess I've been a little niave when I hear money is involved. Next week I am going to a few agency open calls. Hopefully, I will get signed again so I can make some damn money. Otherwise, it's back to the old 9-5. Sep 09 06 10:42 am Link I concur with the Original Poster as well. Sep 09 06 10:42 am Link I don't think you can be considered an artist if you haven't at some point in time indulged in the photography of the naked female form. For the beginner you should maybe start slow by exposing one breast to see how it works and build yourself up to two or more at a later date when you are more practiced. Sep 09 06 10:46 am Link MsChris wrote: I wish you the best in finding paying work. I would like to find some of that myself -- being totally broke isn't a good place to be. Hopefully at some point I'll be able to pay models, but I'll have to be fairly successful first and have a ready market for the images. Sep 09 06 10:48 am Link Yerkes Photography wrote: You know, I've heard some very creepy stories about this myself. Once I heard about a girl that would not take her clothes off no matter what the photographer said or did. I posted to a thread about this a few weeks ago in which I detailed this photographers exploits in of all places, my home town. He was responsible for the death's of many a model that showed up without an escort. At last count the girl above was number 33. Can you imagine that, 33 models murdered in one small town by some creepy art photographer. Yikes! Sep 09 06 10:51 am Link swhnyc wrote: it may be a rant but i don't think the photogs harness some ability to talk a woman into getting nude , the models really want to pose nude and thats from my experience working with models who pose nude unless your talking about models who specifically state on their profiles they don't do nude shots and the photogs used some secret mind controlling trick to get them to go against their will and submit to the photogs demands. Sep 09 06 10:57 am Link MsChris wrote: There are paying jobs out there that do not have to lower the models standards. Virtually all of the models I use are hired for paying jobs. Though they can be difficult to find and you do have some b.s. to go through to find them, they are out there. Sep 09 06 10:58 am Link Breasts don't mean art by missing fingers productions.... anybody besides me just pee their pants? Sep 09 06 10:59 am Link Pat Thielen wrote: HA! Just be sure to use them well. Maybe you can have a shot of an alternative model at the dinner table with a fork and knife in hand. On the table is the stuffed animal baked and burnt while the cautiuon tape is stopping intruders from coming through the door until the model finishes her meal. The rose could be coming out of her mouth. Sep 09 06 11:00 am Link missing fingers product wrote: Hey! Stop giving away our secrets! It took a lot of time and effort to learn my "mind control" techniques...! I guess I'll not be photographing any more nude models now. Thanks a lot. Sep 09 06 11:00 am Link Michael Donovan wrote: I like it! Although I think I'd have the caution tape set up to keep the people safe from the model; she would be eyeing them with her knife and fork (after all, I'm sure they'd look much better to her hungry palette than the burnt teddy bear). And of course she'd be topless so the photo would be considered art. Maybe I'll even do some way-cool selective color in it as well...! Damn I'm good! Sep 09 06 11:05 am Link Pat Thielen wrote: HAHAHA! I'll agree that cliche can be cool- but only if you KNOW that you are doing sokmething cliche and you have fun doing something to the cliche! Sep 09 06 11:16 am Link AGFA Guy wrote: Bob Barker, right? : ) Sep 09 06 11:16 am Link Yerkes Photography wrote: "Successful" is a status. "Artist" is a state of being, a frame of mind, a creative hunger. Sep 09 06 09:17 pm Link art don't mean breasts Sep 09 06 09:21 pm Link HarveyT wrote: every time I look, art is fondling breasts though. Sep 09 06 09:27 pm Link KM von Seidl wrote: That's not all he's fondling... Sep 09 06 09:28 pm Link swhnyc wrote: Sure they do! As well as long attractive legs, beautiful smooth backs, curves of lips, shapely eyebrows etc. Sep 09 06 09:44 pm Link Other womenâs breast mean trouble for me. If my wife saw me trying to get artsy with some other womenâs breasts she would impale me with a tripod and throw me out in the back yard like a lawn dart. Iâm just trying to become a better photographer and itâs not worth dying for. Sep 09 06 09:45 pm Link Sweet, the I can stop the argument in my head on if I am an artist or not. I can now sleep easier. Sep 09 06 09:48 pm Link |