Mark Anderson wrote:

James Jackson wrote:
I just had a big sign made for my studio that says "Escorts Welcome - Warning Guard Cats on Patrol.  Please check your handguns, stun guns, brass knuckles, mace, and other weapons at the door."

Yes, the guard cats work great. I have a few myself, such as the tiger tabby who keeps himself trained in the airborne maneuvers of feline martial arts.

Sin City Dreams wrote:
I think there should always be more than 2 people at the shoot; unless it's unavoidable.  It's a safety net and a witness.  I had a model tell me she wanted to tie me up and do things with me I didn't want.  Having an escort there prevents the silliness and models won't have to worry about GWCs!

Whoa,,,  Do you honestly think HER witness will take YOUR side ?
Conversely, do you think any model will want YOUR escort present at the shoot ?  No more than the second model wants the first model's boyfriend leering at her all day while she's trying to concentrate on her work.

inferno photos wrote:
I SO DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. MODELS SHOULD HAVE AN ESCORT! A FRIGGIN STUN GUN IS GOIN TO DO YOU JACK SHYT WHEN UR 10 FEET AWAY FROM IT STANDING THERE IN YOUR UNDERWAER OR WHAT NOT. AS FOR THE SELF DEFENCE CLASSES, YEA THATS GOOD BUT UR NOT GONNA LEARN WHAT U NEED TO KNOW THAT FAST. UR BEST BET IS JUST TO BRING SOMEONE WITH YOU.

Hey you!
If you are going to participate in the forums - STOP YELLING!


John

Tim Hammond wrote:
Just what I'm looking for: a hormonal, 19 year old diva with a tazer bigger than her attitude.

LOL. Yes, a photographer's dream for sure.  You try to adjust her/his hair and the next thing you know you're on the floor and your camera's internal electronics are fried to your face!

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If a model feels she/he needs an escort, but can't find one, we recommend the cell phone escort.  It's based on the airline's concept of filing a flight plan.

Basically, all commercial flights must file a flight plan; small, personal aircraft may or may not. Professional amateur pilots always do, regardless of how small their personal aircraft is.  This technique can be used by models who can't find an escort and/or are unsure about the photographer, as well.

Here's what you do:

This assumes you'll be calling with one person:

1.  Let someone know where you will be at all times (address, phone number, so forth).
2.  Do a map quest of the location and leave a copy with someone before you leave.
3.  Immediately call someone when you arrive at the location (studio or location) to let someone know you've arrived safely (I'd recommend you call before you meet the photographer if you're unsure); call again a few minutes before the shoot is to take place to let the person know that things appear ok.  If they don't, then leave.
4.  Call on all breaks in the shoot to update that same person. Give an Estimated Time of Completion.
5.  When the shot is finished, call again and say the shot is finished.  Give an estimated time it will take you to pack up and head home.
6.  Call when you actually leave the studio and give an estimated time of arrival back home.
7.  Leave instructions that if you're not heard from after the agreed time of arrival and departure (within reason - remember sometimes shoots take longer than expected), have someone drive to the location to check on you.
8.  If you're in a hotel shooting with an out-of-town photographer, and no one has heard from you, call the hotel and ask for someone from their security department to check on you.
9.  If you're shooting in a hotel with an unknow photographer, when you arrive at the hotel, before you meet the photographer, tell someone at the front desk what you're there for so they're aware you're in the building and you're in a specific room.  Then have them call the photographer and tell them you have arrived and that you will be waiting in the lobby.  Stay seated close to the receptionist so he/she may see you meet the photographer.  They will know the name of the person staying in the room.
10.  If this is not a hotel shot, if the person on the other end of you cell phone calls fails to hear from you at all when you've said you will call, and are truly concerned for your safety, then call 9-1-1 and request a police officer to stop by the location to see if there's a problem.
11.  If this is a Hotel shoot, and the photographer wants to shoot you at a different location, then refuse and leave.
12.  Call and tell your cell phone escort that you're leaving the shoot because of (insert reason here).
13. If you do leave for whatever reason, if this is a Hotel shot, let the front desk know you're leaving and ask for someone to walk you out to your car and ask them to wait until they see you leave the parking lot.
14.  Clarify with the photographer everything he/she wants in advance. Upon arrival, be poliet, but let him know that you will need breaks so you can call and let people know you're alright, where you are, and that that you have let the hotel staff know where you are.  If he/she's uncomfortable with that, then leave. 

Remember: Call when you say you will!  Don't have people calling you, as cell phones interfere with the shoot and someone might panic if you don't hear it, are into the moment, and you don't immediately call them back.  It's important that they know you will be calling them; they shouldn't be calling you unless they're absolutely, totally concerned about you.

Good luck, Tim

CarolineVictoria wrote:
Seriously, I've met some REALLY nut case females.  Both models and photogs should be "cautious".

xoxoxox
Caroline Victoria

Yep, as have I.  Divas, tweekers, or what ever, I've encountered all kinds. It really makes the professional models look bad.

Cheers, Tim

CAP210 wrote:
Just noticed the new ads running on the home page here for self defense and mace / stun guns.

Sounds like the perfect answer to the chronic problem of escorts.
All models need do is enroll in a self defence course or two, and while they're earning their black belt (those spinning reverse axe kicks to the head do take time to learn, you know), carry mace or better yet, a stun gun / taser to a photo session.

Nasty photographer makes unseemly advance, (or even look rapes) and whoosh - photographer gets face full of mace, or 50,000 volts into his body leaving him writhing on the studio floor while the model makes her escape.

Sounds like a plan

whatever happened to the good ol' days?

when burning oil was used.

inferno photos wrote:
I SO DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. MODELS SHOULD HAVE AN ESCORT! A FRIGGIN STUN GUN IS GOIN TO DO YOU JACK SHYT WHEN UR 10 FEET AWAY FROM IT STANDING THERE IN YOUR UNDERWAER OR WHAT NOT. AS FOR THE SELF DEFENCE CLASSES, YEA THATS GOOD BUT UR NOT GONNA LEARN WHAT U NEED TO KNOW THAT FAST. UR BEST BET IS JUST TO BRING SOMEONE WITH YOU.

WELL MY GIRLFRIEND IS A MODEL AND I GET VERY WORRIED WHEN SHE SHOOTS WITH A NEW PHOTOG AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPANY HER. SO TO ALL THE MODS OUT THERE , I UNDERSTAND FULLY...

Oh good, a perfect example of the angry shouting "photographer" boyfriend type that's made a lot of us say "no escorts" unless our chipper needs greasing.

MsHeidi wrote:
I bring an escort when I shoot with a photographer for the first time. My escort drops me off, meets the photographers and then leave and pickes me up when we`re done. What is the big problem with this? It`S not like the escort have to stay in the same room as us when we shoot, and if he`s not even in the same room but close by I don`t see the issue that photographers have with this!!

I have no issue with an escort bringing a model to site, meeting me, then leaving till we're done. 

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
This is silly.  If the photographer and model don't agree on the escort thing, they just don't work together.

That said, models are invited to bring their loaded handguns (law permitting) along on any photoshoots with me.  They make me feel safe.

-Don

You make them shoot with a BEAR
They'd best pack heat!

Donna wrote:
I saw on one of the other threads on this subject that the photographer felt unsafe with an escort present.  Well that should go both ways then.

I feel unsafe because I HAVE been assaulted by escorts, and their references are a lot harder to check than mine 

Tim Baker wrote:

LOL. Yes, a photographer's dream for sure.  You try to adjust her/his hair and the next thing you know you're on the floor and your camera's internal electronics are fried to your face!

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If a model feels she/he needs an escort, but can't find one, we recommend the cell phone escort.  It's based on the airline's concept of filing a flight plan.

Basically, all commercial flights must file a flight plan; small, personal aircraft may or may not. Professional amateur pilots always do, regardless of how small their personal aircraft is.  This technique can be used by models who can't find an escort and/or are unsure about the photographer, as well.

Here's what you do:

This assumes you'll be calling with one person:

1.  Let someone know where you will be at all times (address, phone number, so forth).
2.  Do a map quest of the location and leave a copy with someone before you leave.
3.  Immediately call someone when you arrive at the location (studio or location) to let someone know you've arrived safely (I'd recommend you call before you meet the photographer if you're unsure); call again a few minutes before the shoot is to take place to let the person know that things appear ok.  If they don't, then leave.
4.  Call on all breaks in the shoot to update that same person. Give an Estimated Time of Completion.
5.  When the shot is finished, call again and say the shot is finished.  Give an estimated time it will take you to pack up and head home.
6.  Call when you actually leave the studio and give an estimated time of arrival back home.
7.  Leave instructions that if you're not heard from after the agreed time of arrival and departure (within reason - remember sometimes shoots take longer than expected), have someone drive to the location to check on you.
8.  If you're in a hotel shooting with an out-of-town photographer, and no one has heard from you, call the hotel and ask for someone from their security department to check on you.
9.  If you're shooting in a hotel with an unknow photographer, when you arrive at the hotel, before you meet the photographer, tell someone at the front desk what you're there for so they're aware you're in the building and you're in a specific room.  Then have them call the photographer and tell them you have arrived and that you will be waiting in the lobby.  Stay seated close to the receptionist so he/she may see you meet the photographer.  They will know the name of the person staying in the room.
10.  If this is not a hotel shot, if the person on the other end of you cell phone calls fails to hear from you at all when you've said you will call, and are truly concerned for your safety, then call 9-1-1 and request a police officer to stop by the location to see if there's a problem.
11.  If this is a Hotel shoot, and the photographer wants to shoot you at a different location, then refuse and leave.
12.  Call and tell your cell phone escort that you're leaving the shoot because of (insert reason here).
13. If you do leave for whatever reason, if this is a Hotel shot, let the front desk know you're leaving and ask for someone to walk you out to your car and ask them to wait until they see you leave the parking lot.
14.  Clarify with the photographer everything he/she wants in advance. Upon arrival, be poliet, but let him know that you will need breaks so you can call and let people know you're alright, where you are, and that that you have let the hotel staff know where you are.  If he/she's uncomfortable with that, then leave. 

Remember: Call when you say you will!  Don't have people calling you, as cell phones interfere with the shoot and someone might panic if you don't hear it, are into the moment, and you don't immediately call them back.  It's important that they know you will be calling them; they shouldn't be calling you unless they're absolutely, totally concerned about you.

Good luck, Tim

Holy God that's a lot to do.

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

Holy God that's a lot to do.

Not at all. If you feel you need an escort, can't find one, then use the cell phone. If you read into it further, it's just calling and letting people know how things are going at certain times of the day.  It also protects someone going alone to a hotel for a shoot.

Isn't your life worth as much time spent on it, which is going to be less time than applying makeup.  The calls don't have to be more than a few seconds.

BTW, we're now providing as a service a female escort for $15 hour for models who feel the need for an excort but who can't find one.  She'll be with you at all times during the shoot.

Cheers, Tim

Tim Baker wrote:

Not at all. If you feel you need an escort, can't find one, then use the cell phone. If you read into it further, it's just calling and letting people know how things are going at certain times of the day.  It also protects someone going alone to a hotel for a shoot.

Isn't your life worth as much time spent on it, which is going to be less time than applying makeup.  The calls don't have to be more than a few seconds.

BTW, we're now providing as a service a female escort for $15 hour for models who feel the need for an excort but who can't find one.  She'll be with you at all times during the shoot.

Cheers, Tim

Interesting.  I guess it was all the calling that seemed like a lot.  I usually just text my boyfriend whenever I get a break if I feel the need or I'm on a iffy location.  Then again I'm never terrified for life and limb at shoots either.

Tim Baker wrote:

LOL. Yes, a photographer's dream for sure.  You try to adjust her/his hair and the next thing you know you're on the floor and your camera's internal electronics are fried to your face!

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If a model feels she/he needs an escort, but can't find one, we recommend the cell phone escort.  It's based on the airline's concept of filing a flight plan.

Basically, all commercial flights must file a flight plan; small, personal aircraft may or may not. Professional amateur pilots always do, regardless of how small their personal aircraft is.  This technique can be used by models who can't find an escort and/or are unsure about the photographer, as well.

Here's what you do:

This assumes you'll be calling with one person:

1.  Let someone know where you will be at all times (address, phone number, so forth).
2.  Do a map quest of the location and leave a copy with someone before you leave.
3.  Immediately call someone when you arrive at the location (studio or location) to let someone know you've arrived safely (I'd recommend you call before you meet the photographer if you're unsure); call again a few minutes before the shoot is to take place to let the person know that things appear ok.  If they don't, then leave.
4.  Call on all breaks in the shoot to update that same person. Give an Estimated Time of Completion.
5.  When the shot is finished, call again and say the shot is finished.  Give an estimated time it will take you to pack up and head home.
6.  Call when you actually leave the studio and give an estimated time of arrival back home.
7.  Leave instructions that if you're not heard from after the agreed time of arrival and departure (within reason - remember sometimes shoots take longer than expected), have someone drive to the location to check on you.
8.  If you're in a hotel shooting with an out-of-town photographer, and no one has heard from you, call the hotel and ask for someone from their security department to check on you.
9.  If you're shooting in a hotel with an unknow photographer, when you arrive at the hotel, before you meet the photographer, tell someone at the front desk what you're there for so they're aware you're in the building and you're in a specific room.  Then have them call the photographer and tell them you have arrived and that you will be waiting in the lobby.  Stay seated close to the receptionist so he/she may see you meet the photographer.  They will know the name of the person staying in the room.
10.  If this is not a hotel shot, if the person on the other end of you cell phone calls fails to hear from you at all when you've said you will call, and are truly concerned for your safety, then call 9-1-1 and request a police officer to stop by the location to see if there's a problem.
11.  If this is a Hotel shoot, and the photographer wants to shoot you at a different location, then refuse and leave.
12.  Call and tell your cell phone escort that you're leaving the shoot because of (insert reason here).
13. If you do leave for whatever reason, if this is a Hotel shot, let the front desk know you're leaving and ask for someone to walk you out to your car and ask them to wait until they see you leave the parking lot.
14.  Clarify with the photographer everything he/she wants in advance. Upon arrival, be poliet, but let him know that you will need breaks so you can call and let people know you're alright, where you are, and that that you have let the hotel staff know where you are.  If he/she's uncomfortable with that, then leave. 

Remember: Call when you say you will!  Don't have people calling you, as cell phones interfere with the shoot and someone might panic if you don't hear it, are into the moment, and you don't immediately call them back.  It's important that they know you will be calling them; they shouldn't be calling you unless they're absolutely, totally concerned about you.

Good luck, Tim

Great advice- I know friends that used this method and even asked the photographer for a quick photo with the phone- to send along as well in a message to friends/family as well.

KM von Seidl wrote:
whatever happened to the good ol' days?

when burning oil was used.

Sigh, the good ol' days....

inferno photos wrote:
LMAO HAHA THATS TOO FUNNY ABOUT THE COLLAR LOL

James Jackson wrote:
SOME BASIC FORUM RULES


[1] No SHOUTING (Posting in all capital letters) Especially in thread titles. It's hard to read and just plain rude and annoying.

It's like you're his digital escort!

LMAO

inferno photos wrote:
WELL MY GIRLFRIEND IS A MODEL AND I GET VERY WORRIED WHEN SHE SHOOTS WITH A NEW PHOTOG AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPANY HER. SO TO ALL THE MODS OUT THERE , I UNDERSTAND FULLY...

What do the MODS have to do with this???

Is this another symptom of White Knight syndrome?

inferno photos wrote:
I SO DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. MODELS SHOULD HAVE AN ESCORT! A FRIGGIN STUN GUN IS GOIN TO DO YOU JACK SHYT WHEN UR 10 FEET AWAY FROM IT STANDING THERE IN YOUR UNDERWAER OR WHAT NOT. AS FOR THE SELF DEFENCE CLASSES, YEA THATS GOOD BUT UR NOT GONNA LEARN WHAT U NEED TO KNOW THAT FAST. UR BEST BET IS JUST TO BRING SOMEONE WITH YOU.

WELL MY GIRLFRIEND IS A MODEL AND I GET VERY WORRIED WHEN SHE SHOOTS WITH A NEW PHOTOG AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPANY HER. SO TO ALL THE MODS OUT THERE , I UNDERSTAND FULLY...

SLE Photography wrote:
Oh good, a perfect example of the angry shouting "photographer" boyfriend type that's made a lot of us say "no escorts" unless our chipper needs greasing.

It's really funny how it unfolds at times! 

Bring our Thread back!!

Curt Burgess wrote:
Is this another symptom of White Knight syndrome?

Symptom of something - perhaps..ahhhh....nevermind.  Tell ya'll in 2007

Curt Burgess wrote:

What do the MODS have to do with this???

Is this another symptom of White Knight syndrome?

i think he means MOD(el)S

what's wrong with just talking with the model til you know you're both in synch?

CAP210 wrote:
Nasty photographer makes unseemly advance, (or even look rapes) and whoosh - photographer gets face full of mace, or 50,000 volts into his body leaving him writhing on the studio floor while the model makes her escape.

Sounds like a plan

Okay, so photog lays half dead on floor as the model walks out...photog has a heart attack (does happen with tasers) and dies. Model charged with murder - defence is...."he looked at me funny..."

Frig lord help the photog if he has a eye twitch that day....

hmm if the model shoots the taser by mistake is that called a premature electrocution?

April McQueen wrote:
i read the first post and i detected sarcasm. guess i was wrong

You are correct!
I have since reconsidered the use of weapons at all - instead, bring your nagging mother in law to the shoot - if the photographer really is the pervert you think he is, he may just rid you of her for his own peace of mind while you make your excape.

By the way, I am starting a shoot themed  "House of Wax" Any takers? (getting my cauldrons ready)

inferno photos wrote:
I SO DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. MODELS SHOULD HAVE AN ESCORT! A FRIGGIN STUN GUN IS GOIN TO DO YOU JACK SHYT WHEN UR 10 FEET AWAY FROM IT STANDING THERE IN YOUR UNDERWAER OR WHAT NOT. AS FOR THE SELF DEFENCE CLASSES, YEA THATS GOOD BUT UR NOT GONNA LEARN WHAT U NEED TO KNOW THAT FAST. UR BEST BET IS JUST TO BRING SOMEONE WITH YOU.

A) dont yell.
B) you apparently do not trust yourself to not grope the women you photograph. that is your disease, not mine.
C) an escort is the first one to get shot if the photographer is to be the shooter
D) an escort more often than a photographer turns on the model/gf and beats/kills/rapes/whathaveyou
E) apparently you dont think much of the women (and male models?) here, and believe they require your protection?
F) what does it cost to be protected by you?
G) I am so fucking tired of photographers running down their peers with lunatic ramblings and uninformed platitudes that my head is gonna explode.

Self defense classes is a good thing for all people. Be responsible for your own safety. Does it concern me that a freakshow model might attempt to do harm to me? Yep, but then I can take care of myself and don't need to keep others vulnerable for my protection.

fucking amateur night... and it just goes on and on like the living dead.

*end rant/flame/illegal post

RRCPhoto wrote:
hmm if the model shoots the taser by mistake is that called a premature electrocution?

golf clap

inferno photos wrote:
WELL MY GIRLFRIEND IS A MODEL AND I GET VERY WORRIED WHEN SHE SHOOTS WITH A NEW PHOTOG AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPANY HER. SO TO ALL THE MODS OUT THERE , I UNDERSTAND FULLY...

This is called Paul Snider syndrome. It is responsible for the most famous model murder by a photographer (her bf/manager/photographer) and is precisely why you like far too many men dating models are FAR more dangerous to all those around you than any of these evil photographers would be.

I notice you don't want your gf to know self defense. Not surprising. She might not tolerate your bullshit otherwise.

If you are too insecure to handle a relationship with a model what are you doing with one? If you do not trust your gf, why is she your gf?

Dude, these are YOUR issues, not hers, or mine, or ours. Keep your dick or lack thereof outta the forums please.

Donna wrote:
I fully understand the no-escort thing from photogrpahers. And I honor that and I won't shoot with them if they don't allow it. Thats it. No problems. Move on.

I always bring one for transportation reasons, safety and a little help with getting ready.

References should be used when inquiring about a photographer or a model and their escort.

I saw on one of the other threads on this subject that the photographer felt unsafe with an escort present.  Well that should go both ways then.

I agree if you can't agree on the shoot, then thanks and move on and work with someone else that both can agree. No hard feelings.

Good.

self defense classes aren't a bad thing though... not to protect you from photographers, but for each of us to protect ourselves from all potential assaults.

Melissa Lynnette wrote:
Holy God that's a lot to do.

easier to be responsible for yourself?
what a novel concept!

oldguysrule wrote:
self defense classes aren't a bad thing though... not to protect you from photographers, but for each of us to protect ourselves from all potential assaults.

Wise statement.  Too many people getting hurt, killed or other - while doing alot of other things outside of participating one way or another in a photoshoot.  An ex g/f of mine narrowly avoided being assualted by a cab driver.  Another on the subway.  Neither of them had anything to do with photography or a photographer.

CAP210 wrote:
I was wrong - the ultimate defense would be a proximity collar worn by the photographer - he gets too close and boom, his head blows off (saw this in a movie, but cant remember which one )

The movie was the Running Man.....Arnold Schwarznegger......

I wish the Inferno stops typing in all caps.
edit

Also sounds like OP would just make a "wonderful" escort.......I wouldn't allow you anywhere near one of my shoots.....or your g/f with that "looking for trouble" attitude......

When I was younger I worked p/t as a bouncer in a club....and it was always the kind of "looking for trouble" kind of guy who usually found it......

oldguysrule wrote:

easier to be responsible for yourself?
what a novel concept!

Well, yeah, basically.  I mean all that calling and address giving and hotel staff notifying is a bit much.  It's simpler to just be cautious and not run off to hotels with any photographer that pm's you.