Jayne Jones wrote:
I didn't think managers got the "work", but rather they "finalized" the deal.  I thought agencies got models work moreso than managers.  Although, a manager would, IMO, keep a model's calendar pretty full with promos, shoots, etc.  So really, I thought a manager was a glorified scheduler. . .or at least that's what the few managers I've run into seem to think.

Depends on your state and the quality of the management company....It does vary and its all GREY many times..one must be careful.

Vance wrote:
Depends on your state and the quality of the management company....It does vary and its all GREY many times..one must be careful.

I don't know all that much about it, but I would think it would depend on the person more than the state seeing as managers aren't regulated by the state. . .as far as I know anyway.

What did you do when you were a manager?

Jayne Jones wrote:

I don't know all that much about it, but I would think it would depend on the person more than the state seeing as managers aren't regulated by the state. . .as far as I know anyway.

What did you do when you were a manager?

back in 1994 I did artist management..
I booked studiotime..sent out promo materials, even gave the artist money to do things.. last year I though modeling would be something close to what I did in music and I thought it would be a great addition to my business model...WRONG...True mangement should be a dedicated business..unless you are just so big you can staff it and run it from the a distance...

I help a few friends, but I think it did them more harm than good..

Managers are not like unless they are of the MAJOR typem in which case mose people on this site would never deal with that talent anyways...Except for a few "Industry types, like me who hire for client project"...We talk and deal with agents and managers all the time.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
I find a lot of photographers from online sites pass on models with managers because they are intimidated for some reason (from personal experience). I've had a few photographers contact my model here on MM and when she replied saying to contact her manager I never heard from them. I mean, it DOES make sense for an underaged girl to be accompanied by an adult or have an adult correspond for them. Makes me think the photographers had hidden agendas.

parent or guardian is preferable to an internet manager. personal management is not a job for most. booking is not the job of a personal manager, rather that is the job of an agency. very few, if any, models need a personal manager... and NONE require a personal manager without experience in the major leagues.

i don't know if you meet my criteria to be taken seriously or not, tiffany. i've not done research on you, so this is not directed at you specifically. it does go to the explanation of why photographers are very wary of 'managers'.

oldguysrule wrote:

parent or guardian is preferable to an internet manager. personal management is not a job for most. booking is not the job of a personal manager, rather that is the job of an agency. very few, if any, models need a personal manager... and NONE require a personal manager without experience in the major leagues.

i don't know if you meet my criteria to be taken seriously or not, tiffany. i've not done research on you, so this is not directed at you specifically. it does go to the explanation of why photographers are very wary of 'managers'.

Having been involved in management, I am slow to blanket all managers, just as I hate when people blanket all photgraphers.

I know some very good managers, and just because a manager is in the picture..They do not deserve to called SLUGGOS until they show that's what they are.

The internet manager is just as OLD as the internet model..and we all know from experience many of tese models are not the types many of us would work with sans a manager or not. All so called internet managers are not sluggos.

I also recognize many have given the profession a bad rap..but so have many models and photgraphers.

Fair is fair..

V

oldguysrule wrote:

parent or guardian is preferable to an internet manager. personal management is not a job for most. booking is not the job of a personal manager, rather that is the job of an agency. very few, if any, models need a personal manager... and NONE require a personal manager without experience in the major leagues.

i don't know if you meet my criteria to be taken seriously or not, tiffany. i've not done research on you, so this is not directed at you specifically. it does go to the explanation of why photographers are very wary of 'managers'.

He's right...mangers by law cannot sign a contract within the state of California and that's why models are with agencies.  I think these models who have managers are those who could not be with an agency and are being scammed into paying someone to "Handle" them, unless like stated above, they are a name in the business and really need a "business" manager.

It's like those who state that they want to model part-time...there's is no such thing...only those who work all the time...and we see them everyday on the covers of Vogue...only they get to model part-time, by the fact of taking time off.

And to the OPs addtion that the work isn't that great...yes I agree...and a "manager" looks good...so be it...it's probably them with a different voice.  I have seen so many do this very thing,  but it does work...hey that's why they call it acting!
To each his own, in the end.

Vance wrote:
Having been involved in management, I am slow to blanket all managers, just as I hate when people blanket all photgraphers.

I know some very good managers, and just because a manager is in the picture..They do not deserve to called SLUGGOS until they show that's what they are.

The internet manager is just as OLD as the internet model..and we all know from experience many of tese models are not the types many of us would work with sans a manager or not. All so called internet managers are not sluggos.

I also recognize many have given the profession a bad rap..but so have many models and photgraphers.

Fair is fair..

V

there was no blanketing other than my statement that few, if any, models require managers. i offer advice and some career counselling to a few that have sought me out. i don't charge for it. i don't collect commissions. i don't book jobs. so i do understand that there are questions that arise for many 'new' models that could be answered by serious professionals. so, i don't blanket dismiss the concept of advisors. but personal manager? seriously? i have difficulty with seeing the need.

oldguysrule wrote:

there was no blanketing other than my statement that few, if any, models require managers. i offer advice and some career counselling to a few that have sought me out. i don't charge for it. i don't collect commissions. i don't book jobs. so i do understand that there are questions that arise for many 'new' models that could be answered by serious professionals. so, i don't blanket dismiss the concept of advisors. but personal manager? seriously? i have difficulty with seeing the need.

Sorry.I quoted you..But I should have said it wasnt directed towards you...

All I can say is that I agree with you in your views.However, here in CALI.which is not the real world.LOL ..I see a lot of things that are not needed going on and it seems to work in a great many situations.

Perhaps a lazy model? LOL..I have no idea...

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
I'm managing a model and she's just started her portfolio. I'm also booking her castings at the moment for upcoming fashion weeks and for an upcoming ad campaign. I work as a model as well and have booked all of my own work so I have the right network to manage her. I'm teaching her about the industry and how it works and doesn't work. She's also underage so it's good to have someone teach, guide and protect her.

She just wants to "try" modeling before heading out to agencies (who have expressed interest in her). I don't know why photographers would pass on working with a model with a manager. Would you pass on a model from an agency? I actually prefer agency models.

I find a lot of photographers from online sites pass on models with managers because they are intimidated for some reason (from personal experience). I've had a few photographers contact my model here on MM and when she replied saying to contact her manager I never heard from them. I mean, it DOES make sense for an underaged girl to be accompanied by an adult or have an adult correspond for them. Makes me think the photographers had hidden agendas.

I LOATHE model managers.   I'm glad MM has a policy against them.



I see a model has a sluggo, I avoid them like I would a 3 day old bowl of fish stew left out in the hot sun.

KM von Seidl wrote:

I LOATHE model managers.   I'm glad MM has a policy against them.



I see a model has a sluggo, I avoid them like I would a 3 day old bowl of fish stew left out in the hot sun.

Well at least it's warm 

oldguysrule wrote:
i don't know if you meet my criteria to be taken seriously or not, tiffany. i've not done research on you, so this is not directed at you specifically. it does go to the explanation of why photographers are very wary of 'managers'.

The proposition seems to be that if a new model, [or even a not so new one,] can't get a real agency to represent them then they somehow think a "manager" is the nearest substitute. It's not true but you can't convince them that it isn't.

Studio36

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
The model I'm "managing" is my cousin. She is interested in trying out modeling but doesnt want to go straight to an agency yet, incase she doesnt enjoy it. Her parents have given me consent to "manage" her.

Tiffany, your situation is different than most.  Generally when we see a model who has a "manager," especially on a site like this where we contact one & get responses from someone else, it's a photographer who "collects" models and generally does more to interfere with their work than help them, or a boyfriend or husband looking to control them.  Florida is one of those states where the term "manager" is heavily regulated by law & 9 out of 10 people using the term are frauds.
Not all managers are bad. but most os uf have run in to enough bad ones that it's left a foul taste in our mouths.
In your case, for instance, I would receive your responses VERY differently if I contacted your cousin & heard "I am her manager and you have to go thru me" vs "Hi, I'm responding for my cousin, since she is underage I assist with booking her shoots and handling legal details."

SLE Photography wrote:

Tiffany, your situation is different than most.  Generally when we see a model who has a "manager," especially on a site like this where we contact one & get responses from someone else, it's a photographer who "collects" models and generally does more to interfere with their work than help them, or a boyfriend or husband looking to control them.  Florida is one of those states where the term "manager" is heavily regulated by law & 9 out of 10 people using the term are frauds.
Not all managers are bad. but most os uf have run in to enough bad ones that it's left a foul taste in our mouths.
In your case, for instance, I would receive your responses VERY differently if I contacted your cousin & heard "I am her manager and you have to go thru me" vs "Hi, I'm responding for my cousin, since she is underage I assist with booking her shoots and handling legal details."

Gotcha! I was wondering why everyone here was putting down managers so much. Now I get it. Thanks!

AGFA Guy wrote:
"if you are interested in working with me/booking a shoot email my manager at manager@hotmail/gmail/yahoo.com"

I don't contact those. Let's be realistic - if a model has her "people" and I don't why would she want to work with me?

Yup, I'm so impressed with them I don't even bother.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
The model I'm "managing" is my cousin. She is interested in trying out modeling but doesnt want to go straight to an agency yet, incase she doesnt enjoy it. Her parents have given me consent to "manage" her.

Basically I'm just helping my cousin test the waters until she feels ready to move further in the industry or quit completely. I would never recommend an underaged girl to "freelance model" without the supervision and guidance of a parent, etc.

I've been able to have some success as a model by doing all of my own networking so I'm referring my cousin to my clients. I'm not an "internet manager" either. My industry relationships are with professionals from whom I've worked with in the past. Not met via email.

If my cousin were over 18, I'd give her advice but I wouldnt be the one to correspond with those who contact her. I'm managing my cousin because she is far too young and inexperienced not only in the industry but with life itself. So the wise decision is to correspond with those looking to work with her, to weed out GWC's and ones worse than them.

My cousin, her Mother and I met with an agency and their agent said it was wise of me to "manage" my cousin. I've heard the same from some of my clients and a couple other agents from different agencies. So if industry professionals think I'm doing a "Good job" then I guess I am and there is nothing wrong with managers as long as their doing the job right.

Not that I'm lumping you in with all the other so-called Internet "managers," but if I were to work with an underage model at least one of their parents would have to be there. Do you have power of attorney to sign a model release on behalf of your cousin? I also want to make sure the model has their parents permission and approval to be modeling in the first place.

  -P-

Pat Thielen wrote:
Not that I'm lumping you in with all the other so-called Internet "managers," but if I were to work with an underage model at least one of their parents would have to be there. Do you have power of attorney to sign a model release on behalf of your cousin?

I don't know about Tiffany, but real managers and agents do have power of attorney for their models.  If the models are underage, the POA has to be signed by the parents - which is a clear indication that they support their child in modeling.

Allen Coefield wrote:
OK...lets cut the crap and get to the bottom line.  I have the right to talk because I have managed models, hired models as a photographer and ran a licensed and bonded agency with a 92% placement rate over seven years.
   Most models who sign with a manager do so because they want help in their career.  Do you really think they feel the loss when someone says "I bypass any model with a manager?"  Nope, cause most of the time the jobs that would be coming from those folks are TFPs anyway and the rest of them are typically requests for content the models are not interested in.  So to say "I dont hire models if they have a manager" isnt hurting the models any.  Paying jobs mostly come directly from clients...who look for agents...so to not get offers from individual photographers isnt that much of a loss to these models.
   Managers are not agents.  It is not their job to get the models jobs.  It is their job to assist the model in career development.  Sometimes this means helping with business aspects and that includes job offers.  Managers are there to help make things easier and to develop for the model...not to play agent.  Good managers even help the models prepare professionally to find the right agent for that model.
    Will I hire or approach a model with a manager?  Sure..have shot four this week.  No problems, no egos.  I have found I am much more likely to have issues with an individual model than I would a manager who can set a model straight about copyrights, content and job performance.

id have to agree with you on all points

most MM photographers not working with a model is no loss to the model

photographers arent casting directors, nor are they hardly IF ever hired to cast runway shows, or projects, most of their work is TFP, or some spec shoot, or some paid nude/implied nude shoot of their own

Chili wrote:

id have to agree with you on all points

most MM photographers not working with a model is no loss to the model

photographers arent casting directors, nor are they hardly IF ever hired to cast runway shows, or projects, most of their work is TFP, or some spec shoot, or some paid nude/implied nude shoot of their own

i agree too!

AGFA Guy wrote:
I would also think they would be professional enough to have a real email addy not a hotmail/gmail/yahoo one.

What the &@*$ is wrong with yahoo?