Demarcus Freeman wrote:
[Cigarette smoke is acrid, funky, and offensive just like many, many of the other odors in this world.  I for one, would prefer to never have to deal with any of them ever again.

And the thing I love about a free country is your have the freedom to turn yourself into a "bubble boy" and live in a sealed, streril enviornment if you wish. Nobody is forceing you to go into anyplace you do not like for the smoke, b.o. and random farts that may be drifting around. You have the freedom to lock yourself into large plastic bubble where nobody can offend you. Just remember not to fart in your own little world.

Winn Photographics wrote:
And that is one of the reasons I choose to no longer live in Cali. I admit, there are some rude smokers. There are also polite smokers. There are are polite non-smokers and there are rude non-smokers. The rude non-smoker is the one I have little sympathy for. The ones that go out of their way to approach a smoker smoking in an area it is legal to smoke in and then bitch about the smoke. I didn't ask them to join me and they were not there when I lit up. They made the choice to approach a smoker (and I'm not referring to me standing in the doorway of the entrance to a public building) and then complain.

Besides, you and I have gotten away from the topic of smoking during photoshoots.

Agreed.  There are rude people on both sides of the issue, and you get to tell some of them to go F themselves.

The legal place to smoke(a sidewalk in some states for instance), may not be the polite place to smoke though.  You are entitled to smoke nearly anywhere you want outside, but.. are you polite enough to make a little extra effort to make sure it bothers the least amount of people possible?

To the OP(to get back on topic): I really don't even want them to smoke outside my door, and I'd be even more happy if they'd make an effort to get rid of the funk before they came back in, just like I would if they had bad BO or crapped their pants.

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
You keep your offensive odors to yourself, and I won't fart in your face and rub my BO on your forehead.

Why so many people use perfume then? The smell of perfume is sickening to me. At least cigarettes have a purpose other than the smell. The purpose of perfume is to just smell bad.

Bohan Photography wrote:
is smoking fun? how do you convince yourself to keep doing if it's an acquired taste? i tried it one time and it was not pleasant at all to suck hot smoke into my lungs.

You tried it once? I'm afraid acquiring a taste and an addiction takes more commitment than that.

Bohan Photography wrote:
is smoking fun? how do you convince yourself to keep doing if it's an acquired taste? i tried it one time and it was not pleasant at all to suck hot smoke into my lungs.

You tried it once? I'm afraid acquiring a taste and an addiction takes more commitment than that.

Winn Photographics wrote:
And the thing I love about a free country is your have the freedom to turn yourself into a "bubble boy" and live in a sealed, streril enviornment if you wish. Nobody is forceing you to go into anyplace you do not like for the smoke, b.o. and random farts that may be drifting around. You have the freedom to lock yourself into large plastic bubble where nobody can offend you. Just remember not to fart in your own little world.

Haha.  I just knew that writing that sentence was going to leave an opening for someone(simple?) to take what I said out of context and try to jump on it dramatically.  I even considered writing: "I realize of course that this is an unrealistic expectation in the real world", but.. I like to be right.  Thanks for being predictable

I like you though, so I'll give you an opportunity to go back and respond to the entire argument rather than taking the tiniest piece of it out of context to try to make yourself look good.

I'm waiting.... *taps foot*  hurry along now...

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
To the OP(to get back on topic): I really don't even want them to smoke outside my door, and I'd be even more happy if they'd make an effort to get rid of the funk before they came back in, just like I would if they had bad BO or crapped their pants.

If you are so concerned with the smell of your friends why do you invite them at all? What if one of them passes gas or, what's even worse, comes wearing perfume?

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
I'm waiting.... *taps foot*  hurry along now...

Actually it has been quite fun discussing this topic with you. I can tell you are an avid non-smoker but you had the ability to see some of my point. As I did see some of yours. To keep with the original thread, I do not smoke during a shoot if it bothers anyone in the room. Outdoor shoot I stay downwind during my smoke breaks. If nobody is bothered during a studio shoot then all are welcome to smoke as they wish as long as it does not interfere with the photos. Have a good day. I am lighting up and off to work. 

Fotticelli wrote:

Why so many people use perfume then? The smell of perfume is sickening to me. At least cigarettes have a purpose other than the smell. The purpose of perfume is to just smell bad.

To most people perfume smells good.  Cigarette smoke is offensive to nearly everyone who doesn't smoke.

They're(cigarettes) like farts.  Everyone hates your fart but you.

Winn Photographics wrote:
Actually it has been quite fun discussing this topic with you.

Agreed friend.  Have a good day at work.

Fotticelli wrote:

You tried it once? I'm afraid acquiring a taste and an addiction takes more commitment than that.

what made you want to commit to it though? after i tried it once, i decided i never wanted to do it again. obviously millions of people had a different first impression from mine. so what makes people keep at it til they like it?

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
Everyone hates your fart but you.

I think that is a gross generalization. You are projecting your views and feelings on others.

Bohan Photography wrote:
what made you want to commit to it though? after i tried it once, i decided i never wanted to do it again. obviously millions of people had a different first impression from mine. so what makes people keep at it til they like it?

I thought it made me look cool and if you saw my pictures when I was 18 you would understand why I needed all the help I could get.

Did you like olives or cheese when you tried them for the first time?

Fotticelli wrote:
If you are so concerned with the smell of your friends why do you invite them at all? What if one of them passes gas or, what's even worse, comes wearing perfume?

I was responding to the original post, and that concerned smoking during shoots.  With the exception of a few people.. I'm not working with friends.

On that note though.. if a friend did fart in my apartment, I'd tell them(in a good natured fashion) that they need to take that shit outside, or go to the bathroom, or *something*.  Wouldn't you do the same?  If not, how many farts would it take before you did?  Be careful in your answer.. we *may* meet someday lol.

As for perfume.. I'll just have to realize that they're wearing perfume to make themselves more appealing to the opposite sex, and that they probably feel good, powerful, and sexy at that moment.  Unless the smell is terribly offensive, I'm going to turn my thoughts towards.... uhm... other activities.  I'd rather moan than bitch.

Demarcus Freeman wrote:
Unless the smell is terribly offensive, I'm going to turn my thoughts towards.... uhm... other activities.  I'd rather moan than bitch.

Like those activities are not smelly. I think you are just an anti-smoking bigot.

All I'm asking is that you people leave us alone. We don't smell any worse than other people or their activities and the health threat issue is just nonsense.

Fotticelli wrote:

I think that is a gross generalization. You are projecting your views and feelings on others.

It is gross.  That's for sure.

Awww c'mon Fott.  Admit it.. sometimes you fart and sit there to see what it smells like.  You also scratch your balls and smell your fingers, pick your nose and look at the booger(just before you wash your hands I hope heh), etc, etc, etc.

We're all just animals baby.  I'm over the denial and on to acceptance.. join me.

Demarcus Freeman wrote:

It is gross.  That's for sure.

Awww c'mon Fott.  Admit it.. sometimes you fart and sit there to see what it smells like.  You also scratch your balls and smell your fingers, pick your nose and look at the booger(just before you wash your hands I hope heh), etc, etc, etc.

We're all just animals baby.  I'm over the denial and on to acceptance.. join me.

Sorry, don't know what you are talking about.

I don't think I want to continue this thread.

Just remember this before you turn up your nose at us smokers: you stink too.

Fotticelli wrote:
Like those activities are not smelly. I think you are just an anti-smoking bigot.

All I'm asking is that you people leave us alone. We don't smell any worse than other people or their activities and the health threat issue is just nonsense.

Hahah. Badussy is one of the worst smells in the world lol.  Are you willing to give them up?

Bigot huh?  You're the one who thinks that it's your right to smoke around other people whether they like it or not.  Maybe you need to go back and re-read the definition of that word.

You can't do something around other people that they find offensive, and then humbly request that they leave you alone when you instigated their response.

I support your right to smoke, but I don't agree with you that nobody else should be bothered by it simply because you have the right to do so and *you* don't find it offensive.

Fotticelli wrote:
Sorry, don't know what you are talking about.

I don't think I want to continue this thread.

Just remember this before you turn up your nose at us smokers: you stink too.

Sure you don't buddy.

When I stink I take a shower(so as not to offend anyone else with my odor).  When you stink you expect other people to enjoy it as much as you do.

Matt the Viking wrote:
I also Smoke heavily when im editing in front of the PC ... I recently cleaned my screen and discovered to my surprise and delight thet Im actually a colour photographer and the internet is not actually sepia as I had first assumed ....

I find that cigarette smoke puts a nice patina on my umbrellas and softboxes and as a result the light has this unique warm, golden quality to it.

Digital Basement Studio wrote:
People still smoke?????

Maybe they haven't heard.

Yes, the Hated French smoke like chimneys, eat cheese, fatty foods, and drink a bottle of wine a day, have four times the vacation time, a 35 hour work week and they live more than a year and a half longer than we do (in statistical terms, that's a lot). The Japanese smoke even more and they have the highest life expectancy in the world. Stress is the killer, not tobacco.
Don't get me wrong, I don't smoke myself, it just makes you feel like S*^t all the time, but I find the witch hunt mentality to be disturbing. Puritans and zealots never want anyone else to have anything they deny themselves.