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WG Rowland wrote: What about spanked monkeys? Aug 16 06 05:32 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: HAHA!! I was two FFox tabs away from: Aug 16 06 05:33 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: kinky! Aug 16 06 05:35 pm Link You guys are lovers, right? Shhhhhhhhhhh... I gotta rep to think about. Aug 16 06 05:36 pm Link Black Ricco wrote: Yep, this gets out and you're instantly a dem.. Aug 16 06 05:45 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: lmfao! Aug 16 06 05:47 pm Link Yep, this gets out and you're instantly a dem.. Libertarian, maybe... a dem... NEVER! Aug 16 06 05:50 pm Link Industry. Y'mean like the way the cover shooter for Men's Health gets a little more than the office manager and on a contract under review for renewal semi-annually? Here today, gone tomorrow. No, wait. I've got another one. Maybe I'll get the cover of the color supplement to the New York Times for $1000 or freelance a shot into The Philadelphia Inquirer for $100. Once. Yeah, that'll cover costs. Why come here? Well, as I consider it, a modeling agency is a temp agency. Shall I count the times I've heard, "I'm listed with the such-and-such agency" only to get shoe staring when I ask what work they get? Maybe they'll answer, "Well, I've done Milan." Yeah. Two years ago. I've heard that one half a dozen times. It's not to say they don't do good work. It's just that the business is irregular. It cuts down my costs by eliminating the middle man. If the client wants to pay for an agency and organize everything else up so all I've got to do is to press the button, let him. But, it doesn't always work out that way. (Oh Shit! I should've said that all models work for free. No, really.... Please. Work for free. :->) Aug 16 06 05:53 pm Link I been surviving for over 20 years in the business so I guess I qualify as a working pro. The reason I am on mm is multi fold. I believe that the best photographers are the advanced amateurs. Those photographers have the freedom to âplayâ, experiment and see the world differently. As much as we would like to brag about shooting for the big the clientsâ¦most donât allow you the creativity we would like to express. Also most art directors are young and just out of school and see the world in todayâs terms like a lot of MM photographers. So to me MM is a tremendous source of visual ideas. I too have read the negative comments by the so-called pros and I think it comes from the arrogance of some of the new photographers on MM. The old pros have spent 100âs of thousands of dollars to get where they are. Now someone can buy a digital camera and a computer and hang out a shingle. The pros believe that the newbieâs have or are not willing to pay their dues. Last week I was teaching a class and was showing a woman how to shoot in studio. This was her first lesson with studio strobes. (No experience beside program mode on location either) Half way through the class she says that she thinks now she can start charging models to shoot. Got to admit I was insulted that she thinks this job is so easy. When I teach beginning models and photographers I ask them to name another career where you can buy a tool and profess you are a pro. You canât buy a wrench and call yourself a plumber!!!! Billy Aug 16 06 05:56 pm Link Hey thanks for the notes. I agree that a lot of people are buying cameras and shooting on auto mode and trying to charge clients, I get at least one or two emails a month from these guys saying I need to pay them to build my portfolio yada yada yada.... If I want to hire a photographer to build my portfolio I'll let him/her know. Photography is more of an art form than plumbing and in the same breath that a lot of these industry pros say they have paid their dues and buoight thousands of dollars in equipment, they are soo very quick to remind me that they started shooting before I was born they had their first job at 15 or 16, or they opened a small studio with two clients that's it two, or the photographer who was being sent agency modles while he was still in HS. What dues did they pay back then is what I want to know. They had a tallent, got a break and got lucky, yes they have worked very hard in the past 20 years to keep it up but some of us are getting our breaks right now too I never ment to hang a shingle when I picked up a camera but it looks like that is what is going to be on my next tax return. I never thought I could charge anyone they come to me. Aug 16 06 06:30 pm Link Some of us are just looking over the parapet to see how close the barbarians are to the gates. Studio36 Aug 16 06 06:59 pm Link what's the industry ? Aug 16 06 07:05 pm Link Dax wrote: A big castle where snotty Frenchies throw livestock down at the just who are on a quest given them by god to find the Holy Grail*.. Aug 16 06 07:07 pm Link Personally I think that most people like to hear about how other people like them. No one ever gives critisism just a bunch of butt kissers who never intend on collaborating. Why am I here then? Honestly, I model for fun and profit. I also have a love for experimenting with photography and I learn by looking. I learn about interesting locations and poses, about what lighting makes skinny girls fat and fat girls skinny. I learnabout the newest makeup experiments. I learn that you can shoot in laundry mat lighting and get a great image. I learn that photoshop has made models lazy and photographers numb. I learn that typing out comments like this to random readers somehow relieves stress from my day job. I also learn that I am really tired of seeing boobs and g strings......really tired. Harder to make a clothed model look good. I did make a friend in one photographer (Ed on my page) and he was a blessing. So there you have it, everything and nothing. Aug 16 06 07:11 pm Link Bridgette Marie wrote: You have a very stressful day job, don't you? Aug 16 06 07:13 pm Link I give this thread 90 posts. 100 tops. By post 101 this will be a completely serious discussion with actual working professionals getting upset (and people who really aren't working but want to appear professional by acting offended over the premise) and completely ignoring the mockery and cheesery. On page 3 it's gonna happen... Aug 16 06 07:19 pm Link I'd like to buy a vowel...  Aug 16 06 07:23 pm Link Yes I do. I am laughing and I needed that. :0 WG Rowland wrote: Aug 16 06 07:27 pm Link StudioMona wrote: *prays that the vowel is a big O* Aug 16 06 07:27 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: LOL.... Aug 16 06 07:30 pm Link StudioMona wrote: "I wonder how many sets of batteries I would need to buy to give StudioMona a big 'O'?" Aug 16 06 07:33 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: That's NOT FUNNY! Aug 16 06 07:49 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: as self-appointed AARP representative here... i'm outraged by the cheesery the mockery and the references to sexual function here! Aug 16 06 07:54 pm Link If you have to ask, then you just don't get it. Aug 16 06 07:54 pm Link oldguysrule wrote: Cheesery... Now I'm hungry. Aug 16 06 07:55 pm Link Caristo Photography wrote: If you dont get it you just have to ask... Aug 16 06 07:59 pm Link DeathbyNew-Wave wrote: Is that a polyester fried egg on your head? Aug 16 06 08:51 pm Link Not that I'm a pro or anything, there is NO INDUSTRY NO "BUZZ" and NO MARKET in Bellingham Washington. Shit there's hardly any models or photographers from here on any of the sites and I have surfed as many as I could find. Anyway, to me MM is like listening to the radio, mostly a torrent of pointless shit and then every once in a while something truly great and wonderful pops up. It could be a tip from another member, it could be an awesome image or idea. It could a comment that makes me realize what a difference in thinking there is between somebody who used to shoot transparencies and now shoots digital and someone who started with digital and will never use any film. There is an underlying positive force here that is building, and it is fun to watch it slowly pushing upwards. Aug 16 06 11:18 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: ::: Ya know, if this keeps up, I'll have to get off my duff and post some of the really good stuff. ::: Aug 17 06 04:30 am Link ...and that's the whole reason why I don't use Nikon cameras and anyone who knows that won't use them either because it's right there spelled out for you there's no way around it you can't deny it or get over it end of discussion period and-- Nowwaitadangminnit. This isn't "The definitive Canon vs Nikon thread." Oh, well. Consider this bumped... Aug 17 06 04:50 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: You're not psychic if you bump this to 90 all by yourself.. Aug 17 06 05:55 pm Link Psychotic, maybe. Aug 17 06 05:55 pm Link But not psychic.. Aug 17 06 05:56 pm Link Says the guy who made three separate posts from what could've easily been said in one. Trying to singlehandedly post your way there just to prove me wrong on a technicality, eh? You're so transparent.. Aug 17 06 07:02 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: Milquetoast wrote: humm doo dee doo ..... Aug 17 06 07:23 pm Link Bruce Talbot wrote: What?? Aug 17 06 07:36 pm Link We all know that 75% of men do it... and 25 % of men lie about not doing it... Aug 17 06 08:04 pm Link |
