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Too much insincere tagging?
I see compliments in portfolios that are completely lacking, giving these models and photogs false hope. Looking at cheese cakes poses that are overposed that I'd see a 14 year old girl doing is really doing more harm than good, isn't it? I am no Scavullo, but, damn. Too many people tagging just to be popular, just as they do in MySpace. Too many are more concerned with adding Friends and Tagging so that they can feed their egos than to create great images. How can the achieve more if they think that they are given thumbs up on junk that they post? Aug 16 06 07:23 am Link Agree: a lot of unsincere tagging; however, MM has no shortage of sincere flaming!! Aug 16 06 07:27 am Link Weather it's junk or not is your own point of view. And it's a very negative and condescending point of view at that. The work in your own portfolio doesn't qualify you to ridicule anyone. Others may think the stuff you dislike is great. You are not the arbitrar of what's good or not, so this post is nonsense and nearly irrelevant except to point out that you are being bigoted and narrow minded. This post is no better than the photos you criticize as being unworthy. Remove your ego and personal opinion from the judgement of what's good or not and let the market speak for itself. Everyone is at their own level as models, photographers and artists -- we all start somewhere and hopefully we are all growing with our experience. There's room for everyone. Aug 16 06 07:34 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Oh, how true. Aug 16 06 07:40 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Wow, almost instantenous confirmation!! Aug 16 06 07:40 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: No not a Scavullo, the cream always rises to the top it does'nt need your help in doing so. Aug 16 06 07:45 am Link Stevens Photography wrote: Haha ... that wasn't a flame. It was a defense of everyone here who's doing what they love and trying to improve. Aug 16 06 07:47 am Link So far... NOT a recepient of 'insincere tags' here. Everyone who's posted comments on my page and pics are pretty much right on...  Aug 16 06 07:49 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: I agree completely. I see "Amazing!!!" when the image hardly rises to below average, much less amazing. But that's the nature of this site after all. Nothing's going to change. Now, if people want to have unrealistic expectations, that's their deal, they'll discover reality pretty soon. Aug 16 06 07:50 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: I love the way that CA people are so much into calling people bigots and that we need to just 'be nice' and 'accept' mediocre. Maybe that is why so many people can not achieve in the REAL WORLD because they are not told the truth about their efforts. Your post was a good example that it is 'condescending' to have an open discussion that people need to stop stroking the egos of people for posting junk. Aug 16 06 07:51 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: I believe most of the posts you are complaining about are given with sincerity. Aug 16 06 08:02 am Link Art=Subjective. What YOU like maybe what another dislikes so another persons opinion differing from yours is just as valid as your own. If you percieve it as false praise because YOU dont like the image it matters not a jot tbh. Oh I would also point you the the blurb on the front page that does compare this place to myspace. Aug 16 06 08:07 am Link Were not all the same, each person has their own perspective of what a photo is to them and them, and they have the freedome to make their opinion known to that respective Model, Phoographer or MUA !! Im sure there are good and bad opinions to every person Mac Aug 16 06 08:16 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Loosen up when you started the jabbing in the first place? Aug 16 06 08:20 am Link I have to agree with click. There are so many good camera phone images on here, they do deserve the tags. Aug 16 06 08:24 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: Again I urge you to read the blurb from the front page that reads thus Welcome to Model Mayhem! Aug 16 06 08:24 am Link *yawn*...how many times has this issue been discussed? Honestly, im not impressed with your work either.....never would have told ya, but here you are opening it up for discussion when you criticize the masses..... Aug 16 06 08:26 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: Haha .. scroll up to your opening post. Aug 16 06 08:26 am Link As a comment to the OP, I see this as a place to give constructive criticism to those who are honestly trying. And sometimes that can amount to point out what they did right - even if it amounts to something pretty small. I try not to be too blunt so as to hurt people's feelings because I feel everyone here is sincere unless proved otherwise. I DON'T give high praise where I don't feel it is warranted but still I often sometimes feel moved by the tog's or model's efforts to make some sort of positive comment. And to the other readers of this thread, I consider MOST of the photographer's here as magnitudes of order above my own skill level. But ModelMayhem is a great learning tool for me to see what the great photographers are doing and that hopefully helps spur my own creativitiy so I can climb out of that "mediocre" category! LOL Aug 16 06 08:31 am Link most the images, posts and comments should be taken purely as a free source of comic relief. Aug 16 06 08:34 am Link Everyone needs a little love, It's all good, No harm done by a little Ego Fluffing. It's like telling unstylish Aunt Marge how nice her dress looks Just a harmless little white lie. Aug 16 06 08:49 am Link I will tell you one thing, yesterday a "model" on here got in her new pics, asked me if I liked them. I said "nope, I think they overdid the airbrushing on your face alot and you look fake" She got Mad at me for telling her the truth and hardly even acknowledges me now, when a day before she was all buddy buddy. I told her look if you want me to lie to you like alot of other people probably do, you might as well stop dealing with me.Has she been lied to so much that she cant handle it when someone tells her the Truth? But I still agree its all subjective, I dont like alot of stuff on here that people like and I DO like alot of stuff people dont. its the way life goes. Aug 16 06 08:51 am Link TrueHorror wrote: LOL.... I did the exact same thing with a photographer. Despite my classifying myself as an amateur, I am really picky about people over-Photoshopping to the point that there is no natural skin tone left (and yeah, my early work was just like that too). Aug 16 06 08:59 am Link Were all bozo's on this bus Aug 16 06 09:10 am Link OKC Photography wrote: yeah it just looked weird ya know? I use photoshop in creating SOME of my images but its used to create the actual look I want which is generally "UN-Natural" But this girls face looked like a drawing and her body did not. Aug 16 06 09:15 am Link in regards to the initial post...I get what you're saying. I have noticed people tag me some elaborate compliment but then I see they posted the exact same thing verbatum on other people's profiles too, like cut and paste. So I don't get too confident off those posts. Oh well, to each his/her own. Aug 16 06 09:19 am Link The truth hurts.. but I still want to hear it... Falsely kissing my ass does nothing for me but make my head big and makes my work suffer... You start to think you cant improve and that you can become contempt with the skill level your at... It doenst matter what level you are, you can always get better do it different , GROW... We can only grow with the negative AND the positive... like i alwyas say: ANY feedback is good feedback... we have to learn how to give it and take it... peace ridwan Aug 16 06 09:30 am Link I agree. i have seen tons of corny/cheesy poses and pics of models and wannabe photographers complimenting them and giving them false hope. And its the same for photographers with bad images, where models are complimenting there work and style. I have seen models with images taken with a cellphone get compliments. It's out of control. Aug 16 06 09:36 am Link Why does it bother you that they have 'false hope'? There is a niche for everyone in thise. Does it get you off to see people get discouraged and quit? Besides, when someone blindly you, you keep in mind their relative inexperience and/or lack or artistry and take it with a grain of salt if they have no idea what they are talking about. ...and in the case of the inverse, you sit up and pay attention when someone who knows what they are talking about gives you a critique. Maybe you should spend a little more time paying attention to your own work instead of worrying that someone that doesn't match your template is your sacred elitist domain. Aug 16 06 09:45 am Link Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? I seen you 'round for a long long time I really 'membered you when you drink my wine Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? I seen you walkin' down in Chinatown I called you but you could not look around Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends................ Aug 16 06 09:48 am Link I understand what the OP is talking about; I've noticed the same thing. In some respects, it does seem that people just want to be nice and encouraging. Which is OK, but does have its drawbacks as noted. On the other hand, when I first started tagging, I would get pretty involved in my critiques and one model privately messaged me and pointed out that I should message in the future when getting a little too critical (regarding a photo I thought that was very unflattering - for a model that's everything, I think). That made sense, and I have ajusted accordingly. On the other hand, the other one, one photog had only been shooting I think for less than a year and he get on and started a thread about how great his port was/is. So many of us went to see his work. It was very amatuerish, and we mostly tried to point out some things, and he was so indignant and shocked that he wasn't hailed as the best new thing since photoshop. Even when you tried to reason with him, with kid gloves and everything, he still stuck to his, er um, lofty view of his own work. So, your damn if you do, and your damned if you don't. But like I pointed out to him (in a message), that art is like sports in that 1) it takes constant practice and honing of your skills, and that 2) it is risky. Your exposing yourself to glory as well as injury. UMP - "Play ball!" Aug 16 06 10:28 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: I've noticed many instances where one person would tag a dosen people with the exact same message, if thats what you're asking. Aug 16 06 10:34 am Link I agree, but I have been lucky enough to have 90% of my tags and comments to be meaningful. Doesn't mean I don't erase some or change shots even if i have some great comments, but I think you get back what you put out. Aug 16 06 10:36 am Link Its all a matter of opinion, unfortunately most photogs on here are males, and many whether they like to admit or not are horny and like looking at the lovely models and cant seem to help and say "OMG your so HAWT" and so forth. Hell I have even done it a couple of times. Its the way the world works. Aug 16 06 10:42 am Link I don't like when people only tag me back to say thanks when I leave them a complimentary tag...I'd prefer to be sent a message instead, that's what I do. I feel like sending a tag that only says thanks has nothing to offer about my work, if the poster even looked at my port at all. I also feel like quite a few people tag just to get more exposure on MM...any opportunity to get their name and AV out there. While I don't do it, I don't mind that, to each his own...it's a dog eat dog industry and it's all about getting your name out. Aug 16 06 10:44 am Link Glamourpuss Make-UpHair wrote: I'm going to post on this thread JUST to get more exposure. No need to tag me or post false compliments on my port. Take a look at it though...and if you feel the need to compliment or add constructive criticism, please do so. I'm a big girl...I can take it. No cell phone pics. I promise! Aug 16 06 10:51 am Link Uh, do I EVER agree. Please see this thread to see how much. Aug 16 06 10:55 am Link OP - Does it really matter one way or the other. So some model gets a "wonderful work" tag for her webcam shot from some photographer with using his Canon A3. So she goes back and says "awesome" to his cruddy over shopped image of his dog. Neither are pros, both are sucking up. Why does it matter to you. Are you jealous. Do you feel left out. If so, just post a thread asking for meaningless comments cos you feel lonely. OR you could rise above it like a dove and leave them to it. Aug 16 06 10:56 am Link UnSeenYou wrote: yes! that's why little league coaches tell their players they are doing a great job! they are really just setting the kids up to fail! NOT. Aug 16 06 11:01 am Link I think the original poster was correct. He wasn't making a comment of how much better he was, just the fact that people comment far too easily on images that are obviously bad. As confirmed already in this post, people will start a flame war no matter the thread and no matter the point, as long as they get to be irritating. Maybe its the internet's way of hazing? Just silly. Either good or bad. The quality of my images doesn't influence my point or the OP. I do not need comments that make me feel that my images are better than they are. M Aug 16 06 11:09 am Link |
