Photographer
Satan Bug
Posts: 127
Hell, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Ransom J wrote:
sar·casm (sär'kÄz'Ém) pronunciation
n.
1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See synonyms at wit1.
[Late Latin sarcasmus, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein, to bite the lips in rage, from sarx, sark-, flesh.] Ouch!
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
What's wrong with nude?
We were born with Gods naked truth then we were clothed and bound with Satins shame. To be nude is to be shamed and judged. The beauty of Gods creation should be kept hidden. Because our bodys are "made of clay" and are of the materal world we must hide the horrable shame of our mortality proof of our original sin. We are no longer aloud in to the garden.
I say free Willy. It feels good to be nude. To see nude. To shoot nude.
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
ModelInstinctive wrote:
I don't agree...they love me. You are not a general.
Photographer
Satan Bug
Posts: 127
Hell, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Golden Light wrote:
What's wrong with nude?
We were born with Gods naked truth then we were clothed and bound with Satins shame. To be nude is to be shamed and judged. The beauty of Gods creation should be kept hidden. Because our bodys are "made of clay" and are of the materal world we must hide the horrable shame of our mortality proof of our original sin. We are no longer aloud in to the garden.
I say free Willy. It feels good to be nude. To see nude. To shoot nude. Amen.
Model
Stormy L
Posts: 40
New York, New York, US
Aaron Cantu wrote:
You said exactly what I was going to say... Very well said!!
Cantu Thank you
Photographer
J A M E S
Posts: 185
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
"Whoever knows himself is nude.
Nude because he lacks the clothing of false identity."
"Probably , however, he stays behind the mask of conformity in order to continue his assisgned role in the theater of life."
- William Carter, Illuminations
In my own words, I say that Nudity is Natural. Ashamed of the nude is ashamed of the natural. After all, we all have a birthday suit and it's the only one that we can't take off.
; }
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luv2bfitt
Posts: 725
Merrimack, New Hampshire, US
Satan Bug wrote:
Just wondering what the opinions are out there. Nothing at all, so long as it's woman. Nude women are works of art that are celebrated for their beauty, but nude men? That's different. Nude men are a stigma that are discriminated against because many women think of them as vain exhibitionists and many men feel they'll catch a stink of gay if they look....
Photographer
Satan Bug
Posts: 127
Hell, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
TSOJAW wrote:
"Whoever knows himself is nude.
Nude because he lacks the clothing of false identity."
"Probably , however, he stays behind the mask of conformity in order to continue his assisgned role in the theater of life."
- William Carter, Illuminations
Thanks! That's a cool quote.
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
Satan Bug wrote:
That's funny, I was thinking the same thing...lol Also not a general. If women loved men why do they send them off to war?
Photographer
Satan Bug
Posts: 127
Hell, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Golden Light wrote:
Also not a general. If women loved men why do they send them off to war? Generally speaking, it's men who usually concoct the atrocity of war.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
luv2bfitt wrote:
Nothing at all, so long as it's woman. Nude women are works of art that are celebrated for their beauty, but nude men? That's different. Nude men are a stigma that are discriminated against because many women think of them as vain exhibitionists and many men feel they'll catch a stink of gay if they look.... Ok so I ammend my previous staement. Nudes are ok as long as it's in black and white and shadowy and of a woman.
Color images, well lit images and images of men are either trashy, pornographic or they inflict the ghey!
Model
Stormy L
Posts: 40
New York, New York, US
Satan Bug wrote:
TSOJAW wrote:
"Whoever knows himself is nude.
Nude because he lacks the clothing of false identity."
"Probably , however, he stays behind the mask of conformity in order to continue his assisgned role in the theater of life."
- William Carter, Illuminations
Thanks! That's a cool quote. Agreed. Great quote!
Photographer
J A M E S
Posts: 185
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Ransom J wrote:
Ok so I ammend my previous staement. Nudes are ok as long as it's in black and white and shadowy and of a woman.
Color images, well lit images and images of men are either trashy, pornographic or they inflict the ghey! Nice image by the way...
Photographer
Divo Models
Posts: 5469
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Golden Light wrote:
You are not a general. Come again? Do you mean like an "Army" general?
It's all about establishing a professional relationship of TRUST and RESPECT. People will trust and respect another...when it is proven.
It's not about who hates who...that's an opinionated conclusion on your behalf. My portfolios are a "melting pot" of sexes, ethnicities, etc...
I'm an open-minded artist...that could give a rat's ass about the majority or general consensus...that is why I think people are comfortable with me.
I'm all about creating an artistic product to stimulate one's mind...not their penises.
HOWEVER, the GWCs are to blame for many of the problemsâ¦
Photographer
Satan Bug
Posts: 127
Hell, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
TSOJAW wrote:
Nice image by the way... Yeah. I like the color shots, too!
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
Ransom J wrote:
Ok so I ammend my previous staement. Nudes are ok as long as it's in black and white and shadowy and of a woman.
Color images, well lit images and images of men are either trashy, pornographic or they inflict the ghey! My you have some wonderful well lit full color nude images on your port. You joker! Ha Ha
Model
Stormy L
Posts: 40
New York, New York, US
luv2bfitt wrote:
Nothing at all, so long as it's woman. Nude women are works of art that are celebrated for their beauty, but nude men? That's different. Nude men are a stigma that are discriminated against because many women think of them as vain exhibitionists and many men feel they'll catch a stink of gay if they look.... And you're naked... so which is it?
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
TSOJAW wrote:
Nice image by the way... Thanks. Only because it's in Black and white though. That made it art!
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
Clothing is just a conspiracy by the government and corporations to keep the pockets of their top level leaders and shareholders filled with riches and opressing our freedoms while forcing children in China to work in slave-like conditions. Every time a woman buys a bra, panties, or a dress, she is lining the pockets of some fatcat somewhere living off the backs of children.
Clothing is also a tool of opression by the world's religions to make us feel shame and keep us in control.
All clothing must be summarily burned and future purchases should be banned until this changes.
Well, except for hairy, middle aged men. They should be mandated by the federal government to never undress in front of anyone.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Satan Bug wrote:
Yeah. I like the color shots, too! LOL!
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Golden Light wrote:
My you have some wonderful well lit full color nude images on your port. You joker! Ha Ha Your monitor needs to be claibrated. All my images are in black and white and shadowy. The only time nude is right is when it's "art" and that's when it's art! Ask GWC!
Photographer
Kentsoul
Posts: 9739
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
ModelInstinctive wrote:
Come again? Do you mean like an "Army" general?
It's all about establishing a professional relationship of TRUST and RESPECT. People will trust and respect another...when it is proven.
It's not about who hates who...that's an opinionated conclusion on your behalf. My portfolios are a "melting pot" of sexes, ethnicities, etc...
I'm an open-minded artist...that could give a rat's ass about the majority or general consensus...that is why I think people are comfortable with me.
I'm all about creating an artistic product to stimulate one's mind...not their penises.
HOWEVER, the GWCs are to blame for many of the problems⦠I almost fell off my chair laffing at this.
"I'm an open-minded artist...that could give a rat's ass about the majority or general consensus...that is why I think people are comfortable with me."
"I'm all about creating an artistic product to stimulate one's mind...not their penises. ~~~HOWEVER, the GWCs are to blame for many of the problems."
The problums of the world are caused by GWCs. ?? I am getting a nose bleede trying to stay with this aristocratic stuff. Us bottom feeders are not used to the altitude. Power to the penis and the nudes that help it stay strong.
Model
e-string
Posts: 24002
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Renee Haze wrote:
And you're naked... so which is it? You need to get your sarcasm detector fixed, my dear. 
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
e-string wrote:
You need to get your sarcasm detector fixed, my dear. There seems to be a bulk of malfunctioning sarcasm detectors in here. LOL.
Model
e-string
Posts: 24002
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Ransom J wrote:
There seems to be a bulk of malfunctioning sarcasm detectors in here. LOL. It does seem that way. Oh dear.
Photographer
YeagerVision
Posts: 175
Los Angeles, California, US
What offends me is that there is such a stigma around nudity. In my world, it doesn't matter. There are much more important things to worry about.
Why is it that those who yell the loudest about 'freedom' are the first to limit freedom?
If you believe that God created everything on earth, why do you think God would want to cover up his most perfect creation?
It's the stigma which frightens most people. Dr. Laura, the puritian reincarnate, has nude photos of her circulated everywhere. After a couple months, it all goes away, and she's as popular as ever, spouting off the same inconsistant BS.
There are SO many nude images on the internet, that it's unlikely that anyone will remember yours, even if it's graphic or inappropriate. Here's a tip: don't strike a pose you'd be embarrassed by if there's a camera pointed at you.
If for some stupid reason, society decreed that the female elbow way risque and need to be covered up all the time, we'd be as freaked out by the elbow as we are by the boob. It's SO friggin' arbitrary!!!!!!
Perhaps every model should have one, full frontal nude shot of his or her portfolio. There. Here I am naked. Can we move on????
Another rant by YeagerVision
Photographer
Divo Models
Posts: 5469
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Golden Light wrote:
I almost fell off my chair laffing at this.
"I'm an open-minded artist...that could give a rat's ass about the majority or general consensus...that is why I think people are comfortable with me."
"I'm all about creating an artistic product to stimulate one's mind...not their penises. ~~~HOWEVER, the GWCs are to blame for many of the problems."
The problums of the world are caused by GWCs. ?? I am getting a nose bleede trying to stay with this aristocratic stuff. Us bottom feeders are not used to the altitude. Power to the penis and the nudes that help it stay strong. I don't understand your response or your spelling:
"problums" "bleede" "laffing"
Hopefully you're located outside of the states...otherwise you need to repeat the 5th grade.
"The problums of the world are caused by GWCs. ??"
Who mentioned the "world?" I haven't checked out your portfolio yet...so I wasn't referring to you. Don't be so paranoid.
Nudes are great depending upon intention...but your defensive response proves otherwise...I was hoping to relate to you.
Photographer
johnkphotography
Posts: 78
New York, New York, US
Nudes are great. Its all the pretentious fine art "dressing up" of the naked body that rubs me the wrong way. The idea of the "sexless" nude, or a lack of sexuality in nudes is pretty crazy. It enforces the idea that sexuality is shameful and beyond the pale of artistic expression.
How a whole aspect of our being can be inapropriate to express in art is befudling as art is supposedly our means of self-expression. So my thoughts on nudes as they are traditionally done are that it reinforces a victorian ideal of women without sexual presence or desire and reinforces the notion that being able to instinctively dissociate the sexual part of your being from all other parts of you is a desireable thing.
My feelings on newer nudes, such as the work being done by Richard Kern, Christopher Gorman, clayton Cubitt, Tony Ward, Andres Serano and many other photographers who are contributers to the "Nerve" school of nudes is that they still are having a hard time fighting against the public consesnsus that vulvas are naughty and no serious artist would ever take a picture of one unless it was in Black and white, on film, with a view camera, in a natural setting, hand printed, and they had an MFA as well as a beard and a barret tilted at a jaunty angle.
I just wish photographers werent so afraid to express part of their sexual nature in their art. There are indeed a few photographers on this site who produce outstanding work and are not stuck in the fine art trap. There are also some fine artists who are able to take the nude to the next level and avoid the cliche that afflicts the overwhelming majority of nudes. But in the long run, few people have vision that goes beyond black and white photos of naked ladies prancing about the studio or in nature. They use shadows to conceal their vulvas and often breasts as well as a way to keep from confronting the issue of sexuality in art. I hope that all of those artists (I used to be one myself) are able to look inside and figure out what they really want to say and avoid the cliches that come with the capital "A" in Art.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
johnkphotography wrote:
Nudes are great. Its all the pretentious fine art "dressing up" of the naked body that rubs me the wrong way. The idea of the "sexless" nude, or a lack of sexuality in nudes is pretty crazy. It enforces the idea that sexuality is shameful and beyond the pale of artistic expression.
How a whole aspect of our being can be inapropriate to express in art is befudling as art is supposedly our means of self-expression. So my thoughts on nudes as they are traditionally done are that it reinforces a victorian ideal of women without sexual presence or desire and reinforces the notion that being able to instinctively dissociate the sexual part of your being from all other parts of you is a desireable thing.
My feelings on newer nudes, such as the work being done by Richard Kern, Christopher Gorman, clayton Cubitt, Tony Ward, Andres Serano and many other photographers who are contributers to the "Nerve" school of nudes is that they still are having a hard time fighting against the public consesnsus that vulvas are naughty and no serious artist would ever take a picture of one unless it was in Black and white, on film, with a view camera, in a natural setting, hand printed, and they had an MFA as well as a beard and a barret tilted at a jaunty angle.
I just wish photographers werent so afraid to express part of their sexual nature in their art. There are indeed a few photographers on this site who produce outstanding work and are not stuck in the fine art trap. There are also some fine artists who are able to take the nude to the next level and avoid the cliche that afflicts the overwhelming majority of nudes. But in the long run, few people have vision that goes beyond black and white photos of naked ladies prancing about the studio or in nature. They use shadows to conceal their vulvas and often breasts as well as a way to keep from confronting the issue of sexuality in art. I hope that all of those artists (I used to be one myself) are able to look inside and figure out what they really want to say and avoid the cliches that come with the capital "A" in Art. And for all my sarcastic statements and overall just being an insufferable asshole. THIS is what I've been thinking the whole time. Kudos for writing my mind and not knowing me.
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S
Posts: 21678
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
luv2bfitt wrote:
Nothing at all, so long as it's woman. Nude women are works of art that are celebrated for their beauty, but nude men? That's different. Nude men are a stigma that are discriminated against because many women think of them as vain exhibitionists and many men feel they'll catch a stink of gay if they look.... No kidding. I can't tell you how many times my male photographer friends have told me in one breath that they think my male nudes are the best work I've ever done, and in the next say that it makes them queasy to look at them. LOL! Go figure.
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
Ransom J wrote:
And for all my sarcastic statements and overall just being an insufferable asshole. THIS is what I've been thinking the whole time. Kudos for writing my mind and not knowing me. I agree. Nude is sexual. Porn can be art.
Photographer
johnkphotography
Posts: 78
New York, New York, US
Golden Light wrote:
I agree. Nude is sexual. Porn can be art. Amen!
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Henna Artist
Posts: 58
Portland, Oregon, US
nothing...as long as it isnt cliche and boring, which it most often is. the same poses, expressions and compositions. so SHE'S naked. it isnt interesting in the least if youve seen it a hundred times in a soft core porn movie.
Photographer
Divo Models
Posts: 5469
Atlanta, Georgia, US
luv2bfitt wrote:
Nothing at all, so long as it's woman. Nude women are works of art that are celebrated for their beauty, but nude men? That's different. Nude men are a stigma that are discriminated against because many women think of them as vain exhibitionists and many men feel they'll catch a stink of gay if they look.... I don't discriminate against men or women...I'm always trying to challenge the "norm."
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Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Golden Light wrote:
I agree. Nude is sexual. Porn can be art. Ok in all seriousness. (Sarcasm aside) I have no problem with art. I love viewing pictures of well done "art nudes" seeing the symetry and compisition, the form and lines and curves, the subtle lighting details and showdows that hide and expose at the same time. It's like a symphony on film. BUT what i do hate is like my colleague above stated, this bullshit attitude that nude is only ok when it appeals to some "higher plane" of observation. I've always thought art evoked strong emotion, passion and feeling. Last i checked lust was a feeling. Last i checked want and desire were strong powerful feelings and emotions that have driven mankind to do both wonderful and horrific things.
Sexuality and nudity go hand in hand. IMO my purpose should be to evoke an emotion from the viewer, whether it's wonder, amazement, lust, want, desire, humour, or whatever. if i do that my job is done.
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Divo Models
Posts: 5469
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Henna Artist wrote:
nothing...as long as it isnt cliche and boring, which it most often is. the same poses, expressions and compositions. so SHE'S naked. it isnt interesting in the least if youve seen it a hundred times in a soft core porn movie. Exactly...why do these GWCs emmulate material readily available on a google image search???
It's all about how a photographer distinguishes their intention towards their product.
Model
Muse Anya
Posts: 344
Sunnyvale, California, US
Nothing's wrong with nude. Just don't talk about it in front of people who are ignorant and will feel uncomfortable about nudes.....
Photographer
Divo Models
Posts: 5469
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Miss Anya wrote:
Nothing's wrong with nude. Just don't talk about it in front of people who are ignorant and will feel uncomfortable about nudes..... I agree.
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