Jayne Jones wrote:
What makes it?  Who determines what it is? 

Is not sexy sexy??  If a group of men can look at a picture of a woman and "want" her. . .is that not enough??  What the hell does it take people????????

Let's take me for example (ouch. . .putting my own head on the chopping block here. . .this could get ugly). . .
Is it because I'm fat that it is automatically assumed that I can't sell 1000+ men's magazines??  But the majority of men that meet me in person, and in picture, can agree and attest to my sex appeal.  So what's missing that rules me out as "men's magazine" sexy??

Thoughts. . .bring it on!

Well....right off the bat.....you're not fat!.....I'm fat..LOL.....you are full fugured and really sexy.....

But sorry to say....men's magazine seem to want only the "fit", "toned" and "buff"....seems like it's almost a fanatical ideal the average woman could only achieve by living in a gym.....and actually the few published models I've ever met did just that....none had a "job" it seemed....a couple were Hooter girls....or worked part-time....their main goal was working out....but what they all did have in common were well to do boyfriends....mostly older and in some cases, married....

Not to sound discouraging.....there are more specialized magazine out there that you might check out....but overall the market is limited....

David Linke wrote:
. . .Each publication has a concept of what their ideal pictorial girl will look like.  Finding some one who can fill that ideal is almost a mathematical equation. . . .

Something like  Blonde + fake gigantic boobs + Caucasian = hot???

Jayne Jones wrote:

Something like  Blonde + fake gigantic boobs + Caucasian = hot???

Jayne Jones wrote:
Is it because I'm fat that it is automatically assumed that I can't sell 1000+ men's magazines??  But the majority of men that meet me in person, and in picture, can agree and attest to my sex appeal.  So what's missing that rules me out as "men's magazine" sexy??

It seems that men's magazines have some very specific things the reader's want. Even though everyone isn't thin in the magazines, the sex appeal of the woman stems mostly from her body and secondarily her face. There's no forgiveness on body.Look at the fuller figured women who have been considered sex symbols Marilyn, Anna Nicole, and for black mags Buffie, Esther Baxter,  Melyssa Ford. The key seems to be the waistline. You cannot have anything they have to spend many hours trying to photoshop out.

As another poster stated, men do seem to settle for women they find attractive. Just because some guy on the street thinks you're sexy doesn't mean he wants to  actually see your body almost naked in a mag.He may date a lady like Monique, but really have a stronger attraction for  Beyonce, he just can't get her. Those magazines really seem to require the model to evoke an animalistic reaction from the readers.

People only want to see reality if they are forced. In female terms, you might date a man that looks like Rueben Studdard, but that's really only cause Tyson Beckford isn't around.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Who said you aren't sexy?  Actually, I think you have a beautiful face.  If you were closer, I would be happy to work with you.

Anna Nicole Smith was not petite.  I'm not sure you would make Playboy, but don't denegrade yourself.  You have an appealing look.

Thanks for the compliments.  I KNOW I'm sexy. . .the discussion is why MY sexy isn't "marketable."  But yeah. . .nor was Marilyn Monroe.

dee740 wrote:
It seems that men's magazines have some very specific things the reader's want. Even though everyone isn't thin in the magazines, the sex appeal of the woman stems mostly from her body and secondarily her face. There's no forgiveness on body.Look at the fuller figured women who have been considered sex symbols Marilyn, Anna Nicole, and for black mags Buffie, Esther Baxter,  Melyssa Ford. The key seems to be the waistline. You cannot have anything they have to spend many hours trying to photoshop out.

As another poster stated, men do seem to settle for women they find attractive. Just because some guy on the street thinks you're sexy doesn't mean he wants to  actually see your body almost naked in a mag.He may date a lady like Monique, but really have a stronger attraction for  Beyonce, he just can't get her. Those magazines really seem to require the model to evoke an animalistic reaction from the readers.

People only want to see reality if they are forced. In female terms, you might date a man that looks like Rueben Studdard, but that's really only cause Tyson Beckford isn't around.

I don't understand this concept of "settling" for women you find attractive.  Either you're attracted to someone or you aren't.  Most people are attracted to the same things in person as they are in print. . . or at least it would seem to me.

Just sayin. . .why is everything so based on size?  I have boobs.  A relatively small waist and thighs that make most weak in the knees. . .but all of a sudden it's not "sexy" enough??  Does not compute.

Jayne Jones wrote:
I don't understand this concept of "settling" for women you find attractive.  Either you're attracted to someone or you aren't.  Most people are attracted to the same things in person as they are in print. . . or at least it would seem to me.

Just sayin. . .why is everything so based on size?  I have boobs.  A relatively small waist and thighs that make most weak in the knees. . .but all of a sudden it's not "sexy" enough??  Does not compute.

The larger you are, the more things get out of order. It's just generally true. As far as people being attracted to the same thing in person/print I don't know. People make exceptions in real life that they don't have to make in a print magazine. They want fantasy, perfection, not scars, cellulite, stretch marks, etc. There are just different levels of attraction, different levels of sexy. For men's mags they are looking for what the readers want to pay for. For white mags, toned abs, big breasts, blonds,minimally pretty  faces ,etc. For black magazines shapely ass, flat stomachs, minimally pretty faces.Not relatively small waist. Small waist completely flat stomach. No rolls.The goal is to have people look in the mag and say "damn!! she's fine as hell! I wish my girl looked just like her"They are not looking for bodies you see everyday. They are looking for completely unattainable.

dee740 wrote:
The larger you are, the more things get out of order. It's just generally true. As far as people being attracted to the same thing in person/print I don't know. People make exceptions in real life that they don't have to make in a print magazine. They want fantasy, perfection, not scars, cellulite, stretch marks, etc. There are just different levels of attraction, different levels of sexy. For men's mags they are looking for what the readers want to pay for. For white mags, toned abs, big breasts, blonds,minimally pretty  faces ,etc. For black magazines shapely ass, flat stomachs, minimally pretty faces.Not relatively small waist. Small waist completely flat stomach. No rolls.The goal is to have people look in the mag and say "damn!! she's fine as hell! I wish my girl looked just like her"They are not looking for bodies you see everyday. They are looking for completely unattainable.

Thanks for clearing that up Dee.  Really appreciate it.

LL2 wrote:
My dear sista,

You are beautiful and in your own skin I celebrate you.  It's a cheesy market.  By the time they Photoshopped you to death, your momma wouldn't even recognize you.  They are looking to appeal to what they call a mass market.  Beer guzzling white men that oogle over the implant-laiden objectified model.  You are better off not going down that path and if you must there is a genre of those targeted to black and hispanic men.  We are not mad at curves and embrace real size women.  Don;t let anyone make you feel less than sexy.  A real man cannot determine true sex appeal from a photograph anyway.  Blaze your trail and claim your spot!

Peace and Blessings,

L.

Ok.  I don't feel I need hours upon hours of photoshop.  Not at all.  It's called clever wardrobe and posing.  Modeling fundamentals.

And I'm not allowing anyone here or there to steal how I perceive myself.  I've said time and time again I'm sexy as hell. . .and I dare. . .double dog dare anyone to say different.  Most actually agree.  I doubt they're being kind.

I just posed a question b/c quite frankly dammit I'm tired of shooting TFP.  I'd like a paid assignment or two and I don't feel like I should be made to feel out of line when a casting call is posted for a "sexy" model and I respond.  That's all I'm sayin.

Jayne Jones wrote:

Ok.  I don't feel I need hours upon hours of photoshop.  Not at all.  It's called clever wardrobe and posing.  Modeling fundamentals.

And I'm not allowing anyone here or there to steal how I perceive myself.  I've said time and time again I'm sexy as hell. . .and I dare. . .double dog dare anyone to say different.  Most actually agree.  I doubt they're being kind.

I just posed a question b/c quite frankly dammit I'm tired of shooting TFP.  I'd like a paid assignment or two and I don't feel like I should be made to feel out of line when a casting call is posted for a "sexy" model and I respond.  That's all I'm sayin.

who has been making you feel out of line?

dee740 wrote:
who has been making you feel out of line?

Let's not even go there.  I'll just say. . .just like photogs complain that models never answer emails. . .ditto baby.

But it's all good.  I have a fairy in my pocket.  *wink*

Jayne Jones wrote:

Let's not even go there.  I'll just say. . .just like photogs complain that models never answer emails. . .ditto baby.

But it's all good.  I have a fairy in my pocket.  *wink*

Oh I didn't expect you to name drop.. I just wanted to know where this was coming from or if anybody had actually told you that you should feel out of line.

Katy Goldapple wrote:
Whatever happened to having hips, thighs, and a butt? A lot of celebrities and models in men's mags have stick legs and a butt as flat as a freakin' pancake! Toned is nice but women are supposed to have some curves!

In the ethnic magazines curves are a must