House of Indulgence wrote:
Most photogs are blowing off steam. They do it when talking about models and about other photographers. It is just another version of bitching about work. Like people do when talking about their 9 to 5 jobs.

I have only said bad thinga about models who really F'd up a shoot. But I have only said it when another photog has asked for a reference.

When photographhers talk crap about other photographers it is just an ego thing. Unless they have actually met the other photographer and they had a personality conflict and didn't get along.

-S

Hey you!

I get that, but these photographers were giving their names and everything, it just seemed very...brutal, I guess. And these girls looked great. I can't imagine all of what would be said about ME, afterwards.

Bunnie Page wrote:
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but I'm wondering why some photographers feel like talking crap about the models they've shot?

Many people simply love drama. Men. Women. Young. Old. Makes no difference. Some people are just drama-kings and drama-queens and love the gossip and the bullshit and the rumors and the crap.

I'm not clear on why. I suspect that it makes people feel special or important in some way. I find that most people who live their lives surrounded with melodrama tend to be low-self-esteem psycho-messes of human beings who need to validate their worth by making mountains out of molehills. They fabricate lives of psychodrama so they will feel like their existance is more important than it actually is.

On the other hand, if you already know that you are better than everyone else and a pile of your fecal-matter has more value than an equivalent quantity of brain-matter in other humans, you don't need their petty dramas in your life.

TheArchon wrote:
There are good days and bad days, great sessions and piss-poor sessions.  They come around to EVERYONE.  Ranting about it openly is nothing more than blame-shifting, to make one's self feel better about it; saving face in front of your peers.

If I myself have a problem with photographer/model and/or photoshoot, it is between myself and the person(s) involved.  It is simply no-one else's business.  To brutally rip someone apart publicly...it is not only potentially damaging to the other's interests, it is damaging to the agressor's reputation.  While it is anyone's right to have an opinion, it is also everyone's right to have some level of private anonymity.  Don't mention names to try to have someone effectively black-balled out of work.  It's deplorable.

That's pretty much how I felt. I didn't shoot with the guy after the phone call but he was directing me to her profile and talking about how horrible she was (the pictures looked fine, though), I guess maybe it was something personal.

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
So far every model I've worked with has been great.  If images don't work out... I don't blame the model, I'd blame the monkey behind the camera... the make up artist... KIDDING!  I don't just shoot with anyone and am fairly picky who I work with.  It's been great so far.  However, I have yet to shoot with someone from MM.  Go figure.

-PKD

I've shot with a few photographers, on here, who said I was the first person from MM, too...even those who have been around longer than I have. O_o

Hehehe, I've never used a make-up artist so no one can be blamed but me If I don't like the pictures it's usually because something I did (make-up/hair/bad facial expressions).

Bunnie Page wrote:
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but I'm wondering why some photographers feel like talking crap about the models they've shot?

I've had two potential photographers, recently, just go on and on about how every model they've ever worked with was "a nightmare" or how they couldn't pose/had a horrible wardrobe or no talent. Do the people (I'm sure some models do it, too - I just don't come in contact with them, as often) who do that believe it makes them look better? Really, I just don't want to shoot with someone who does that, because that's a pretty obvious sign that they'll do the same to me, later. Or just don't have a good attitude.

Just curious what others opinions are... Does that make you esteem them, in some odd way? Or just not want to work with them?

(and for the record, I love all of the photographers I've shot with! - I cherish the opportunity and experience of shooting with new people )

Maybe it's ego? The photog choose to work with someone and when things go down they're trying to save face. Or they're bullies? Think that they're better than the model? Or that it was beneath them to shoot with a particular model?
I don't know.. whatever the reason it's not ok to belittle someone like this in public. For all they know it was a fluke, an off day (everyone's entitled), on one side or the other and their disrespect may cost the model more that it would ever gain the photographer. All the photog has to do is not owrk with her again, the model has to do damage control for something she may not even be away of.

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I've seen it before. I think I'm a little too "nice" to enjoy it. I just sit there reading "aww, that's mean!"

StevesPhotography wrote:
You wont hear me complaining about other models. I am a strong believer in keeping the atmosphere positive during a shoot and that stuff just fouls the mood.
Besides, I have my wife to vent to

,edit> Hey, you're in OK too! Hi!

Hello fellow okie!

Hehehe, hey, at least your wife isn't going to not want to shoot with you, afterwards!

Photos By Deej wrote:
I just posted one of these threads you speak of.  I did not name names b/c I know that my personal experience with that model may not reflect the experience the model has with the next photogrpaher. 

Also, I posted b/c I've seen models bash photographers on the forum all the time so it's like a way to say, look models can be bad to work with too.

For the record I've had more good experiences with models than bad but I've been on a bad streak lately and I've not posted every single experience that was bad.

What exactly is the forum for then, if not to vent, gather information & learn from others?  If we're gonna start talking about what should and should not be posted in the forum then you're opening a can of worms b/c I've seen many posts that I personally felt should not have been on the forum but I believe in freedom of speech and expression.

I wasn't talking about the forum, I was talking about photographers who wanted to shoot with me, one in a phone call, telling me about how horrible the models he shot with were, which seemed like it was supposed to make me want to shoot with him more? Everyone has opinions, it just seems incredibly unprofessional to tell someone you want to work with about how much you dislike the other people you've worked with. If you (the photographer) have bad things to say about everyone you've shot with. What would make me think you wouldn't do the same to me, to the next person they shoot? (should I need to specify, I'm NOT talking about you, here)

chris paul wrote:
im an eoct (equal oppourtunity crap talker)
i never talk bad abut models that aren't there i usually do it to their faces

LOL, I didn't know you used the forums
You talk crap about me to my sister, don't you???

Capt Stu Beans wrote:
I think photographers talk more crap about other photographers.

That's been my experience too, but generally speaking I have found that photographers on the whole are the biggest bunch of crap talkers on the planet, regardless of who they're talking about.  I've never yet shot with someone I didn't get along with, but given how many unpleasant things so many of them say behind others' backs, I do sometimes wonder what kind of negativity is floating around out there about me that I'm totally oblivious to...