FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
I was looking at model profiles.....perhaps to find one or two for some TFP projects......and I ran across one profile that started....perhaps I didn't make myself clear....I won't do.....and she went on with all the things she won't do....which were considerable......then said, paid shoots only....expenses must be paid.....so on and so on....

While I do understand the models might get annoying emails......but to have an attitude on your profile seems to knock you out of any consideration for serious projects before you even get started.....

And perhaps it could be justified if she was some kind of drop dead gorgeous model with a lot of experience....and had a killer port.....but none of that was evident......

So I'm asking myself.....why even bother to join MM with that kind of attitude.....

yes i totally agree, i think alot of people on here would be considered very lucky if a good photographer made the decision to do tfp with them, letalone pay them, and yet they come accross all demanding with all the attitude.......its a joke sometimes. i love this site, i think its cool, but i think far too many people take them selves far too seriously......
the biggest turn-off for me is the list of conditions about having all ther job details and references and how they want raw files on cd afterwards and all that shit, and i understand why they might ask for it all, but when u start your profile with things like that before u even say hello, it suggests im going to get a team of lawyers and bouncers coming along to the shoot.........id say chill out, if u dont want to reply to some people then dont, but dont scare off any people who might actually do u a favour. i think the photographers should have all the 'conditons attached' considering they are the ones whos time and MONEY is at risk from a bad shoot.

Merlinpix wrote:
This is too easy: read the profile..chuckle...onto  someone without an attitude

i think his point was that models might be missing out on some jobs because the photographers would just move on like u said.......

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
I was looking at model profiles.....perhaps to find one or two for some TFP projects......and I ran across one profile that started....perhaps I didn't make myself clear....I won't do.....and she went on with all the things she won't do....which were considerable......then said, paid shoots only....expenses must be paid.....so on and so on....

While I do understand the models might get annoying emails......but to have an attitude on your profile seems to knock you out of any consideration for serious projects before you even get started.....

And perhaps it could be justified if she was some kind of drop dead gorgeous model with a lot of experience....and had a killer port.....but none of that was evident......

So I'm asking myself.....why even bother to join MM with that kind of attitude.....

Smoke screen.

Please tell me you didn't let it deter you from writing her.

Craig Thomson wrote:

Smoke screen.

Please tell me you didn't let it deter you from writing her.

Actually.....after seeing her profile.....it killed all thoughts of ever writing her.....that would be asking for problems.......and I'm not real good at following demands from someone with little or no experience who wants the world before having lived in it.....

Christine Summers wrote:
Dude, you think that's attitude?  Come to LA.  Everyone and their mother have attitudes...and they are just crazy here.  But I think part of the reason why is their daddies could afford a small country.

Been to LA.....and damn if there wasn't a tall blonde on every block.....I got whiplash from constantly spinning my head around...LOL

And....Darlin....if this "model" had half your looks......not only would I put up with her attiutude....I'd beg and grovel too.....LOL.....

I'd love to have you in front of my camera.....for real!

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
I was looking at model profiles.....perhaps to find one or two for some TFP projects......and I ran across one profile that started....perhaps I didn't make myself clear....I won't do.....and she went on with all the things she won't do....which were considerable......then said, paid shoots only....expenses must be paid.....so on and so on....

While I do understand the models might get annoying emails......but to have an attitude on your profile seems to knock you out of any consideration for serious projects before you even get started.....

And perhaps it could be justified if she was some kind of drop dead gorgeous model with a lot of experience....and had a killer port.....but none of that was evident......

So I'm asking myself.....why even bother to join MM with that kind of attitude.....

well if the photographers work seems to show off a good port as well,   you know it works both ways,   why should a model have to pay for a shoot if he / she isnt going to get the best quality in her eyes.

And.

Did you contact her or did she contact you first....

StevesPhotography wrote:
Heh, ya...Attitude.
How about the models who have nothing but horrible snapshots in their ports yet say "Paid Shoots Only!!"

*shrug* For all you know, they are getting plenty of paid work, but since they're being paid, they can't post the images in their portfolios.
Why does it bother photographers so much if a model wants to charge? If she has a look you really, really want, it'll be worth it to pay her. If not, just find someone else. If all a model wants is money and doesn't care about networking or experience or images, I'm quite sure she won't be crying into her cereal because she "lost out" on the chance to shoot with you for free.

Craig Thomson wrote:
Smoke screen.

Please tell me you didn't let it deter you from writing her.

Exactly. When a model loads her profile with "I won't"s, it's either a sign that she's too inexperienced to know what she's talking about, or it's an asshole filter. If it's the first, she'll learn. If it's the second, the fact that you're so offended that you're repelled from working with her means her plan is working.

Exactly. When a model loads her profile with "I won't"s, it's either a sign that she's too inexperienced to know what she's talking about, or it's an asshole filter. If it's the first, she'll learn. If it's the second, the fact that you're so offended that you're repelled from working with her means her plan is working.

It's not necessarily a sign of inexperience... it's most often a sign of that breed of people who are the common clay of the new west, you know, morons!

As far as the asshole filter, well if you are snotty up front, then generally only mean or desperate people will want to work with you, so it would have the opposite effect.

The best way to show how professional you are is by having great work on your portfolio not by rambling on for 3 hours about all your "do's and don'ts".  Some portfolio's read like they lifted them from a Cosmo "perfect mate" survey.

Jeff Bowlin wrote:
It's not necessarily a sign of inexperience... it's most often a sign of that breed of people who are the common clay of the new west, you know, morons!

A lot of the time the two go hand in hand.

As far as the asshole filter, well if you are snotty up front, then generally only mean or desperate people will want to work with you, so it would have the opposite effect.

The best way to show how professional you are is by having great work on your portfolio not by rambling on for 3 hours about all your "do's and don'ts".  Some portfolio's read like they lifted them from a Cosmo "perfect mate" survey.

I'm not talking about people who are snotty "up front," or have really bad images... I'm saying that if a model has a really good portfolio and is obviously very experienced, and her profile has a long list of the things she won't do, well, there's usually a reason: She's trying to weed out offers she won't be interested in, and she can afford to be picky. This still isn't always successful, but I can see why people do it. When I see an experienced model with "WILL NOT DO NUDES" in big bold letters, for instance, that doesn't tell me she's a diva, it tells me she probably has spent a ridiculous amount of time wading through requests to pose nude. As for the Cosmo people, well, I never said they were very professional, did I?