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Photographer

aesthetix photo

Posts: 10558

Macon, Georgia, US

I was having a discussion last night with two other local photographers and the topic moved to erotic art.  We discussed some fine-line distinctions between erotic and pornographic, gave some examples, and then had to leave due to closing time.

Just curious what other people here would consider erotic without being pornographic.

Aug 02 06 04:24 pm Link

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Alexis_Kennedy

Posts: 1308

Portland, Oregon, US

I find it so interesting that people are always looking for this invisible line where 'art' ends and pornography begins.  There is no line, it all mixes together and greatly depends on who the viewer is.  What I consider breathtaking would probably be considered smut by a lot of people.

But who cares?  If I personally find a special meaning in something, even if that meaning is just great jerk off material, then kudos to the creator.  Photographers should create work that holds power for them and if the rest of the world likes it too then it's just a bonus.

Aug 02 06 04:37 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

Create first. Let others react, second. Play the name game last, if at all.

Aug 02 06 04:38 pm Link

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ILLIXIT

Posts: 65

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

pornography is boring and redundant...
erotica is salacious and creative.

Aug 02 06 04:40 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

ILLIXIT wrote:
pornography is boring and redundant...
erotica is salacious and creative.

Could you be a little more vague please?

Aug 02 06 04:43 pm Link

Model

Muse Anya

Posts: 344

Sunnyvale, California, US

ILLIXIT wrote:
pornography is boring and redundant...
erotica is salacious and creative.

That's pretty much the way I see it.

Aug 02 06 04:47 pm Link

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jason ssg

Posts: 117

Rockford, Illinois, US

ILLIXIT wrote:
pornography is boring and redundant...
erotica is salacious and creative.

It's neat how people can say these things and seem to believe them without worrying that it still always means- "eye of the beholder."

What one finds creative, another may find boring, and there may be plenty of incredibly unique but totaly profane and inarguably pornographic images out there, as well as plenty of artistic nudes that look exactly like every anceint Roman or Greek sculpture- redundant, often boring, but not what I would call pornographic.

Stick to this- there is no definition that always fits, there is no definitive line...
there is no spoon...
there is no Dana, only Zuul...

Aug 02 06 04:49 pm Link

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tobias35

Posts: 9

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

the difference between pornography and erotica as i see it..is that pornography shows now evidence of the creative hand and eye of an artist..erotica deals with aesthetics that can only be present at the hands of and artist..
eg an erect penis taken by mapplethorpe is art..taken by my girlfriend aint art!

Aug 02 06 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

ILLIXIT

Posts: 65

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Could you be a little more vague please?

of course.

erotica is what pornography isnt

Aug 02 06 04:54 pm Link

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DarioImpiniPhotography

Posts: 8756

Dallas, Texas, US

One of my wedding clients asked me to take down their wedding sample photos off my website because some pastor's daughter was perusing my site and found this pornography:

[images removed per moderator request -- we must be in the Bible belt part of the internet]

I hate the Bible belt.

Aug 02 06 05:02 pm Link

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byReno

Posts: 1034

Arlington Heights, Illinois, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Could you be a little more vague please?

OK!  I like one not the other. smile

Aug 02 06 05:03 pm Link

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ILLIXIT

Posts: 65

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

DarioImpiniPhotography wrote:
One of my wedding clients asked me to take down their wedding sample photos off my website because some pastor's daughter was perusing my site and found this pornography:

https://darioimpiniphotography.com/fineart/_1012573an.jpg
https://darioimpiniphotography.com/fineart/blackforest00a.jpg
https://darioimpiniphotography.com/fineart/midnightodyssey00a.jpg

I hate the Bible belt.

Shite
The porn that i browse eats that for a nice light snack...

Very lovely images.

Aug 02 06 05:05 pm Link

Photographer

aesthetix photo

Posts: 10558

Macon, Georgia, US

DarioImpiniPhotography wrote:
One of my wedding clients asked me to take down their wedding sample photos off my website because some pastor's daughter was perusing my site and found this pornography:

So rather than stop after she found the first nekkid woman, she kept looking until she found 3?

Yep, sounds like every pastor's daughter I ever knew....

Great pix by the way.

Aug 02 06 05:05 pm Link

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DarioImpiniPhotography

Posts: 8756

Dallas, Texas, US

Yeah thanx.  I guess my point was, the definition of pornography is directly proportional to how much of a prudish religio-freak you are.

Aug 02 06 05:07 pm Link

Photographer

ILLIXIT

Posts: 65

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

jason ssg wrote:

It's neat how people can say these things and seem to believe them without worrying that it still always means- "eye of the beholder."

golly gee... youre right

it is neat.

Aug 02 06 05:08 pm Link

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FemmeArt

Posts: 880

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

why do we have to draw lines?

Aug 02 06 05:09 pm Link

Photographer

ILLIXIT

Posts: 65

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

gotta start somewhere...
separation adds variety
& which may be to some (depending on the beholder and their eyes... )
the spice of life.

Aug 02 06 05:14 pm Link

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Odins Eye

Posts: 1925

West Wendover, Nevada, US

Pornography: any sexually explicit writing and/or picture intended to arouse sexual desire.

Erotic Art: any artistic work including paintings, sculptures, photographs, music and writings that is intended to evoke erotic arousal or that depicts scenes of love-making.

Erotica: from the Greek eros, "love", are works of art, including literature, photography, film, sculpture and painting, that deal substantively with erotically stimulating or arousing descriptions. Erotica is rather a modern word used to describe the portrayal of human sensuality and sexuality with high-art aspirations, differentiating such work from commercial pornography.

I write a paper based on this all the time, again and again and again. I have a friend with a foot fetish. To them, Payless Shoe ads can be Erotica or Pornography.

Why? Because they are aroused by pictures of Shoes, Socks, and Feet.

Aug 02 06 05:14 pm Link

Model

Muse Anya

Posts: 344

Sunnyvale, California, US

DarioImpiniPhotography wrote:
https://darioimpiniphotography.com/fineart/midnightodyssey00a.jpg

That is the first "woman on a bike" images I've seen that I like.  Very nice lighting.

Aug 02 06 05:17 pm Link

Photographer

Lightwork Photography

Posts: 208

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Andrew Kaiser wrote:
I find it so interesting that people are always looking for this invisible line where 'art' ends and pornography begins.  There is no line, it all mixes together and greatly depends on who the viewer is.

Precisely, Watson!  Actually, I'd make one distinction.  If you think you're making porn, then you are....art, pretty much the same.  To paraphrase Bill Clinton "It's the intent, stupid."

Look at Christine Kessler (PLEASE).  She's one of my few alltime heroes of art, and big swathes of what she does are all about the SEX...often without even a *gasp* breast in sight.  If what she does isn't art, then there ain't no such thing.

http://www.christinekessler.com/photohome.html

Is it porn?  Frankly, who cares?  If you don't like somebody's music, you call it "noise".  If you don't like art with sexual content, you call it "porn".  To me, the only porn is the stuff that's about money.  Baywatch...now THAT is porn.  Not a nipple in sight, but the whole thing is all about sucking in ad revenues by teasing people who'd never be caught dead watching Nina Hartley (not that I'd ever know who THAT is).

Yes? No?

Dario: Unbelievable nudes up there, by the way, especially that first one.  You're welcome to put my wedding pictures up with those if you'd like!

Aug 02 06 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Make pictures..

It's a guarantee some will call them porn.. (Even if you shoot buildings or rocks)..

It's a guarantee some will call them shit..

And one or two fools will declare it art..

*shrug*

Aug 02 06 05:32 pm Link

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IDtenTANGO

Posts: 263

Denton, Texas, US

In erotica, sex is the subject.  In pornography, sex is the object.

Aug 02 06 05:53 pm Link

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Aug 02 06 06:13 pm Link

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d artiste provocateur

Posts: 457

Madison, Wisconsin, US

It's all disguisting!  We should bannish the mere thought of such...

Aug 02 06 06:15 pm Link

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Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

FemmeArt wrote:
why do we have to draw lines?

So that people can feel okay about what they like and the art they make.

eg: "Porn is something other people like."

Aug 02 06 06:33 pm Link

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Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

ILLIXIT wrote:

of course.

erotica is what pornography isnt

No wonder nobody takes photographers seriously.  I don't either and I am one.

Aug 02 06 06:35 pm Link

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Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
So that people can feel okay about what they like and the art they make.

eg: "Porn is something other people like."

Aug 02 06 06:36 pm Link