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No Nudes, No shoot, no money???
I enjoy meeting and shooting with some younger models with limited experience. Iwonder if they understand that most folks who have shot for a while just look on when they see the NO NUDES post in a profile. Do you think they believe that proclaiming their purity will get them the glamour edgy shoots. How many photogs are shooting victorian fully clothed, no skin shots out there?? Just wondering if you would all keep me abreast of the current tensions in the business. I'm sure to get a stiff jolt or two here from some who are firm in their convictions and some who are a little skimpy in their coverage of the topic. SC Jul 20 06 10:15 pm Link It mainly depends on the type of photographer. If you're doing art or nude photos - the answer is obvious. If you're doing commercial work, why should it matter? Either the model does or doesn't. There are two sides to this coin for the photographer and the model. For the commercial model: 1. She won't do nudes and still will get messages asking her to do nudes anyway. 2. She won't do nudes and the photographers that want nudes don't have to ask. But at least she will be targeting the market she wants. For the commercial photographer: 1. He doesn't waste his time asking for the wrong models. 2. The models that don't do nudes are probably better qualified for the type of work he's doing anyways. You realize that there's a preoccupation on the internet with nudes, how can I touch her, get her nipple erect, snatch wet with out offending or having her escort beat me up.... and so on. More to the point, now tell me why they're so concerned with bringing escorts in the first place? A model drops her clothes and 90% of the photographers may not care if she can pose, get a good expression or have her nails trimmed. It's easy. Much harder to get a model that knows what she's doing in front of a camera. Jul 20 06 10:51 pm Link No Nudes, No shoot, no money? Here's my take on that quote... No nudes?... well... that works for me... dont shoot'm... limited marketability... none in my port... No shoot?... not even... PLENTY of shoots... at least one every month for close to 15 years... No money?... that doesnt work for ANYBODY. Photographers (with talent and marketing abilities) will and should always be able to find a way (either directly or indirectly) to turn the images they capture into cash. Models (with potential) will always get the cash assignments, snag some complimentary images and tearsheets while networking and booking future paid gigs. That's the way the cookie crumbles...  Jul 20 06 11:13 pm Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: Actually, no I don't realize this. What I do realize is that there is a fascination on internet modeling sites with the thought that every photographer who wants to do nudes is some sort of a perv. Just as there are people in any walk of life with bad intentions, there are a few here. There are probably a great many more who simply have an appreciation of the art form. Interest in nudes as art is as old as art its-self. I think the "GWC Screamers" should just get a life because they seem to be a great deal more hung up on the issue than the art photographers and models. Jul 20 06 11:24 pm Link Well color me pervy: actually I'm a provert I take nude, erotic, and kinky, nude erotic, shots exclusively, and sell them to magazines and websites. This has been my market for years. I've made other sales; but no other market has proved as profitable for me. Do I touch models, yes if it's necessary, if it's unnessary no. Do I shoot nonnude models; mostly no, unless their paying me. DO I pay models: yes, unless their shooting for free for exposure,or paying me to shoot them. Do I solicit models that don't do nude work: rarely, but then only for a nonnude shoot . Do models that don't do nude work or just 'implied' solicit me: all the time: go figure? Paul Jul 21 06 01:09 am Link Will I book a model who does nudes for commercial work. Yes I would. Simple economics really. I prefer to work on a day rate basis so if the commercial work takes 4 hours I can do the rest of the day with fine art work which is sold as limited edition prints. That way the model gets a full days work I get the images I need for my client and images for my own personal fine art work. Jul 21 06 01:15 am Link ShadowCrafter wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. I'm a younger photographer, and I've always considered photography about creating an image which presents not only a subject, but an idea, or feeling through the styling and technical production of the image. As such, what difference does it make if a model wants or does not want to pose nude; it's their perogative, and no one should judge them either way for it. Have I shot varying degrees of nudity, yes, not of my own idea, mind you. I've shot head shots of elderly men as well. The experience is necesarilly different, but the process and results are no less rewarding either from a personal or professional standpoint. I'm not in the business of photography to get off shooting photos of naked women; such people are hobyists, not professionals, that they may make money from these photos is secondary. I tend to think of photography in terms of forms and lighting, and color if the image reccorded is color, and how these elements may be combined to express an idea. I'm not gay, a prude, or anything else someone may sling at me, but honestly, I've been more titilated by reading early 20th century Russian prose than I have by shooting models in any state of undress. When I'm shooting, I'm concentrating on working, social life and entertainment is another entity. Jul 21 06 01:30 am Link ShadowCrafter wrote: You make a good point. Jul 21 06 01:19 pm Link I do mostly fine-art stuff... non commercial. I love shooting nudes because I feel that the female form has infinite resources for interesting imagery. When I see "No Nudes" in a model's profile, I just move along. There seems to be an unhealthy puritanical attitude about nudity, especially in the US and the midwest in particular. It's a pity. Beyond insidious puratinism the major cause of the "No Nudes" declaration seems to be poor body image or low self esteem. I only take issue when a model implies that nudity would somehow lessen or compromise them. That is implicitly judgemental and feeds the low self esteem machine.... -CZ Jul 21 06 01:28 pm Link ShadowCrafter wrote: I would take a basic exception to the thought that 'most folks who have shot for a while just look on'. I have been getting paid for shooting since 1987 (I was 18 at the time) and have never used NO NUDES as a deterrant to contacting anyone. Of course, I do not shoot nudes anyway. Jul 21 06 01:48 pm Link rp_photo wrote: You forgot a few: Jul 21 06 01:55 pm Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: Thank you. Jul 21 06 02:01 pm Link I believe that whether a model does nudes is up to their own personal choice. I like models who choose to do nudes and I don't criticize model who choose not to. I do believe strongly that a model shouldn't put no nudes in their profile. I feel they should list what work they will do, not what they won't do. I don't photograph minors, but I don't put "no children" on my website. When a call comes in for work that I don't want, I politely refer the caller to a photographer who does do that kind of work. This business method is called networking. It is good, and is widely used by successful people. Jul 21 06 04:06 pm Link phcorcoran wrote: Gosh, I couldn't disagree more- no offense. The nicest thing a model can do from my point of view is put NO NUDES on their portfolio if they don't do nude work. That way I don't waste my time contacting them, and they don't get emails about work that doesn't interest them! Similarly if they only do paid work, etc., tell me upfront, I appreciate it. Jul 21 06 10:26 pm Link Marie-Eve Fast wrote: Great point!!! I am in your camp! everybody has limits, and everybody should respect those limits on BOTH sides of the lens! Jul 21 06 10:37 pm Link Ximena Bright wrote: You think? Jul 21 06 10:44 pm Link Ximena Bright wrote: I live and shoot in Nova Scotia- and if you're shooting outdoor nudes up here, ALL the nipples are hard! You don't have any choice in the matter:-) Jul 21 06 10:45 pm Link |
