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So, a photographer contacted me a little while ago about a shoot. He's out-of-state and wants to buy me a plane ticket. I would be staying with him for about four days. Of course I asked for references. He acted like a model had never asked him for a reference before. He said that he had not really been in contact with any of the two models he gave me contact information for - That they were onlymodels and not friends. So, it was full of "I don't know if this is still her e-mail address" and things like that. He did give me one of the girl's MP#, so I thought that would be the safest bet. However, the profile had a different name on it. I sent the girl a message anyway, and it was not who he said it was. I wrote back telling him that. He said that he had not been in contact with her since she left, but she's his friend on myspace, so "if I can find his site..." "If you can track her from this fine, if not this is starting to become more trouble than it might be worth though I understand your concern even if it is unfounded." Why not send me a link? "She is also on Model Place under ####" .. The number is different this time. And it really is her. It's a little frustrating because he's not really cooperating. I think he's a nice guy. Maybe just made a mistake with the number the first time. What do you think? Has anyone else had any problems with getting references from models or photographers? Jul 20 06 01:41 pm Link Is this the mutual acquaintance we've discussed before? Jul 20 06 02:08 pm Link Randall Fox wrote: No, he gave about a dozen references and they all checked. This is someone else.. Jul 20 06 02:18 pm Link Good, I'm glad to hear that. Does this one have a portfolio with credits to the models. Maybe that would be a way to check him out. He sounds kind of flaky but then I'm just an old fart that tends to be over protective... Jul 20 06 02:25 pm Link This guy sounds like a major flake. If I work with a photographer, I know their name and it's easy enough to look them up. Same thing the other way around. Type in "Neyrissa" on Google, for example, and there I am. Simple. Jul 20 06 02:50 pm Link I haven't tried to google him. He's on a couple modeling sites and uses the names of the models, but not any ID numbers or anything. Maybe I could google some of the models he's worked with, but wouldn't it be easier if he just gave me some more information? I'm not a detective this week. Well, anyway, I'm just waiting to hear back from the model on MP. Jul 20 06 07:01 pm Link A photographer should be willing to offer references at any moment, and they should be a mix of recent and others that answer emails promptly. I know model acquaintances that say if they have a bad vibe about a photographer they usually don't shoot with them. This person has a couple of red flags already...and you're asking for our input, that alone should tell you something. Jul 20 06 07:14 pm Link RayAndrews wrote: No, I have not recieved any bad vibes about this guy. I'm just frustrated that it took so long for him to give me a good reference. Jul 20 06 07:30 pm Link You should get a real job and go back to kiddygarden Jul 20 06 07:32 pm Link CaliforniaCamera wrote: I have a job that I recieve a paycheck for, with taxes taken out, if that's what you mean. CaliforniaCamera wrote: And I really don't know what that is. Is that some kind of slang for kindergarten? Jul 20 06 07:36 pm Link Your bright as a dull black light..another KIDDY topic..handle it freaky earth-ling Jul 20 06 07:38 pm Link [ I was venting out of frustration and asking if anyone else has any similar stories to share. :0).
Jul 20 06 07:39 pm Link CaliforniaCamera wrote: :0). Jul 20 06 07:48 pm Link If the guy isn't willing to cooperate by providing you with references, then it's probably not a situation you really want to be a part of. This won't be your only modeling opportunity, it's not as though you're asking for anything unreasonable. Listen to your tummy kid, you're intuition is there for a reason. If something doesn't make sense in your gut & in your head...just walk or run away from it. Whatever you do, good luck! -Bearz Jul 20 06 08:21 pm Link IM SORRY BUT NO MATTER HOW LOVELY AND AWESOME YOU ARE, ÃND YOU ARE, THERES NO WAY YOU WOULD EXPECT THESE UNPROVEN 'PHOTGRAPHER'S TO BUY PLANE TICKETS AND HAVE YOU STAY WITH THEM ITS JUST NOT KOSHER NOT THAT IT Never ever ever is IT JUST REALLY RARELY EVER IS! you get tons of work locally so can the photog - or let him come to you! IMO ITS NOT WORTH EVEN CONSIDERING IT UNLESS ... THEY ARE bIG nAMES YOU CAN SEE THEIR WORK & REPUTATION - LIKE THEY ARE IN PROFESSIONAL ORGANISATION ETC AND you HAVE PERSONAL RECOMMENDATIONS OTHER WISE IF AY OF YOU INSIST ON CO OPERATING WITH SUCH UNKNOWNS (WHO OF COURSE WILL URGE YOU TO THINK YOU ARE BEING A NUISANCE ASKIMG FOR MORE INFO OR REFS AND JUST GIVE IN - THATS IF THEY are UP 2 NO GOOD) STAY IN A MOTEL not NOT not WITH THEM PLEEEEEEEEEEEZE ANOTHER POINT ACTUALLY talk TO THE GIRLS GIVEN AS REFS OK AS E-MAIL ... EVEN A WHOLE PROFILE, REALLY COULD BE anybody gOOD lUCK sorry its capitals i didnt look up until the end!! Jul 22 06 03:55 am Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: Do not shoot with him. Period. Jul 22 06 04:03 am Link You know, if a photographer works with 100 models, and kills 90 of them and stuffs the dead bodies into the deep freeze out in the shed, he's still got 10 solid references. That's more than enough, right? Jul 22 06 04:20 am Link Dave Wright Photo wrote: I would also do a criminal offender database look up...so I'll know if they were arrested at 15 for drug possession. Jul 22 06 04:31 am Link Why are you staying with someone you don't even know? He could have been a decent guy to the 10 models he uses as references and then turn around and decide to start his career as a rapist-torturer-murderer with you. REFERENCES - USELESS COMMON SENSE - PRICELESS JAY carreon PHOTOGRAPHER Jul 22 06 04:33 am Link CaliforniaCamera wrote: This coming from a guy that shoots trees . . . Jul 22 06 04:38 am Link BlindMike wrote: Maybe it's a Cali!! thing. Jul 22 06 04:56 am Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: Four days? Jul 22 06 05:03 am Link Craig Thomson wrote: I think pretty much all of the trees out here are ugly Jul 22 06 05:04 am Link Wynd, After your very rocky start here, you have almost proved that your not a total asinine dunce. Try not to die okay kiddo? Jul 22 06 07:58 am Link Dave Wright Photo wrote: I see we're definitely making some headway with those photographer/model trust issues. Jul 22 06 10:09 am Link CaliforniaCamera wrote: Wow, I hope you get banned Jul 22 06 10:13 am Link You could not pay me enough to stay with some strange man, out of state, alone, for four days. It seems you're a little uncomfortable about this, and if you go out there and aren't comfortable, any images aren't going to be that good; nothing is as unflattering as discomfort. Just my two cents. ~Keeper Jul 22 06 10:39 am Link E|||B wrote: I really don't want to get into this again. We continue to have the conversation on the forum. All the Internet people (models and photographers) line up on one side, all the (primarily) non-Internet people line up on the other, and the shooting begins. Jul 22 06 02:52 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: C'mon TX, you and I haven't had a good fight since we decided to become friends. Marcus Klinko and Indrani are on here. Doesn't get much more successful than that in the pro game. Jul 22 06 03:00 pm Link I have to say I've had some problems finding email addresses for some models I've used. Internet models seem to come and go, change their email addresses or delete their profiles from where they used to be. One of my problems is I hate bothering a model for a reference after it's been six months or a year that I've shot with her. She got paid to stand in front of my camera for so many hours, not to answer emails about me for the next two years. But I don't like the fact of staying with him for four days or him giving you URL's that aren't the names he said it should be and then it getting even stranger. Sometimes a photographer can just be having trouble keeping contact wth his references, but in this case I'd say he's trouble. Jul 22 06 03:41 pm Link When in doubt, put forth worst-case scenarios and weigh the results. What is the worst thing that can happen if you DON'T go? You will not make that money (a drop in the bucket in a lifetime) and he will be pissed off but you will be safe and ready to move on. What is the worst thing that can happen if you DO go? We don't know the answer and it might not be pretty (like you). Why do references have to be from other models? Surely he has references with regards to his charector, criminal record if any etc? No references, you stay home. The world isn't done with you yet ,;~} Best wishes, Michael Jul 22 06 03:58 pm Link Granted, I've never paid a model to come see me, but you'd think if a photographer could spring for a plane ticket during peak vacation season, that photographer could also spring for a couple nights at a Super 8. Jul 22 06 06:06 pm Link Trust your instincts. I'd recommend not going, unless you have a good escort. Jul 22 06 06:36 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: None taken. But it's very common for a photographer, who is buying a plane ticket for a model, to shoot with that model for more than one day. Heck, I worked with a photographer for nine hours today and we're trying to schedule another shoot ASAP. There are a lot of ideas running through the minds of artists. Jul 23 06 03:05 am Link In all fairness, nobody can force their rules on you, Wynd. But, this is an open forum and people are pretty much allowed to express their opinions, open their big mouths, all that kind of stuff. You're also allowed to call people fucking stupid if you don't like what they have to say... but when it comes down to it, it's just two people expressing opposing views on a particular situation - two sides of the same coin. Wynd Mulysa wrote: Jul 23 06 03:24 am Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: I am merely but an apiring professional photographer (if there is such a thing). Anyway, as a professional, I maintain files of models with whom I have worked. Information like source of which I was first contacted with model, membership #, phone number, email address, etc. Granted, people do change info, contact #'s and such. If I were to be asked for references, I ought to take it upon myself to check with the references I intend to give you, as the person asking for it. I would contact the reference to be sure it's ok for you to check with him/her about me, etc. That way, I would have confirmed the status of the contact info which I would be passing to you. You are taking on too much work to make sure of the legitimacy of the photographer's "references". That ought to be his/her job. You must really want to shoot with this photographer. Consider your safety first. Then again, Jul 23 06 03:50 am Link Wynd, considering the threads you have previously started concerning photographers touching you inappropriately, and a photographer suddenly springing on you at the last minute that it's a bondage shoot and they want to include your escort in the shots too, and you going along with this stuff and not leaving or saying anything until later, is it shocking that people are assuming that you need advice because you don't always make the smartest decisions regarding your personal safety? You've been okay so far...because you've been lucky. ONLY because of that. As such, I'm not sure it's your place to be calling other people "fucking stupid," especially when they're trying to look out for you and you've shown again and again that you're not doing a great job of that yourself. Jul 23 06 04:15 am Link |
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Don't see why you'd want to photograph those when you seem to have a wide variety of beautiful girls willing to work with you. Seemed a bit harsh to me too. Maybe someone had a bad day and had to let it out on an innocent person...?
