Mike Bell wrote:
Why is it that new models think that modeling is a hobby and not a business.

Any comments.
Mike Bell

Perhaps because for many models and many photographers this is a hobby. Not everyone here is out to make a buck. For some it's art, for some it's fun and others hope to make a living.

Room for all.

Vic

Red Sky Photography wrote:

Perhaps because for many models and many photographers this is a hobby. Not everyone here is out to make a buck. For some it's art, for some it's fun and others hope to make a living.

Room for all.

Vic

I agree. I figure if I can get a good photograph out of a model who's just doing it for fun, then it's all good. Of course, I'm still new at this...

Chan Studio wrote:
Some of these so called "photographer" only carry a cheap camera with little knowledge of photography.

I just want to get this straight, if your not toting an expensive camera, your not a photographer?
Also what constitutes a cheap camera?  For years I shot with a 4x5 Linhoff and then I went to a Canon digital elph, just to learn "digital" So under those pretense...lots and lots of knowledge of photography(old school-film/polaroid)...but very little knowledge of photography(new school-digital/digital output)


Also I learned a lot about digital in less than a month and by the time 2 months passes I went to the 20D...but I sure am curious why its stated that a photographer is not a photographer if the carry a snappy-Q or holga or something else similar?

Also I learned a lot about digital in less than a month and by the time 2 months passes I went to the 20D...but I sure am curious why its stated that a photographer is not a photographer if the carry a snappy-Q or holga or something else similar?

If you are a serious about your work, would you use a P&S Camera for every thing?  Of course not. People who do photography or someone who is serious about photography, that individual will use better equipments.  Better equipments doesn't make you a better photographer but it does help things such as (better control, reliable, accuracy, faster).  This doesn't means real photographer sometimes don't use point and shoot camera.  But people who do serious photography stuff don't just have one camera, they usually have severals.

  - Mike

Chan Studio wrote:
If you are a serious about your work, would you use a P&S Camera for every thing?  Of course not. People who do photography or someone who is serious about photography, that individual will use better equipments

Terry Richardson

Mike Bell wrote:
If models think it's a hobby then they should tell us who shoot for a living that this is what they are doing and not waste the pro's time who shoot during normal business hours. And not say I'm only avaiable after work.

If you read profiles of both the models and photographers here you can certainly get an idea of who works full time and who does it as a sideline. Because someone does this as a hobby, doesn't mean they aren't serious about it.

Mike Bell wrote:
As clients don't want to hear that . THe hobbist both photographers and models should have a web page devoted to just that.

Why would a client ever hear that? If you have a client, don't you use a professional model through an agency who expects to be paid for her work. I've never had a paid model not show up for a shoot.

If you want to work with a new, untested model, you take your chances.

Nowhere on MM does it say PRO Models and PRO Photographers only. Perhaps you expect too much from this site.

McKenzie Bros Photo wrote:

I just want to get this straight, if your not toting an expensive camera, your not a photographer?
Also what constitutes a cheap camera?  For years I shot with a 4x5 Linhoff and then I went to a Canon digital elph, just to learn "digital" So under those pretense...lots and lots of knowledge of photography(old school-film/polaroid)...but very little knowledge of photography(new school-digital/digital output)


Also I learned a lot about digital in less than a month and by the time 2 months passes I went to the 20D...but I sure am curious why its stated that a photographer is not a photographer if the carry a snappy-Q or holga or something else similar?

McKenzie Bros Photo wrote:
...but I sure am curious why its stated that a photographer is not a photographer if the carry a snappy-Q or holga or something else similar?

LOL... as a photojournalist where getting the shot, or even any shot, is critical I have been know to shoot with a UK£1 [US$1.75] disposable happy-snap cam when I have been occasionally caught out and about without my regular gear or had a breakdown. I have also shot like that for camouflage where my regular cam would have attracted way too much attention. Guess that didn't make me a serious [or professional] photojournalist.

But is does, I admit, and when it has happened, get some occasional funny looks from various officials / police / fire, ect with the NUJ press card hanging around my neck and a throw-away cam in my hand.

It was true when first said and it still is now... "The quality of the job is not dependent on the tools but wholly on the craftsman."

Studio36

Mike Bell wrote:
Seems a lot of people are missing the boat. No one made mention of thet type camera used.
My gripe is the models that do it as a hobbie and think this is all fun and games. run with this one.

I do it as a hobby (that sometimes pays nicely).  It IS fun.  If it weren't, it wouldn't be worth having it as a hobby, would it?  Just because someone is an amateur model or photographer doesn't mean they don't take it seriously or work hard at it as a craft.  Income is not the sole measure of quality or passion.