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Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Check this out.

http://www.pmpmyllc.com/private.html  (18+)

In the group of five, the picture in the center and lower right are mine.

http://www.kruegerphoto.com/fig9.htm  (18+)
http://www.kruegerphoto.com/fig27.htm  (18+)

If you look on the lower left, my name appears in tiny print below the menu. I don't consider that a credit for the pictures since she gives her own email address as the "Photographer".

Sucks, donit?

-Dave

Jul 12 06 05:03 pm Link

Photographer

Jean-Philippe

Posts: 397

Austin, Texas, US

Social pressure.... let's send email and ask for credit and copyright notice.

Jul 12 06 05:06 pm Link

Photographer

Tonino Guzzo

Posts: 62

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Send an invoice...about 12 years ago i was driving downtown Vancouver and my wife sitting in the passenger seat...freaked right out!..."turn the car around,isn't that your image on the Bill Board" to make a long story short, invoice was paid within 2 months $15000.00

Jul 12 06 05:14 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

I sent a nasty message:

From: Dave Krueger
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Your use of my work

Some of the images you have on the below webpage are copyright protected material created by me.  Furthermore, the implication that you are the producer of those works can be construed to be fraud.

http://www.pmpmyllc.com/private.html

Please remove them immediately.  In fact, I suggest you remove all unlicensed copyrighted material from your site(s).

Dave Krueger
------------------------------------------
Huntsville, AL
http://www.kruegerphoto.com
[email protected]
256-881-5481

Jul 12 06 09:02 pm Link

Photographer

Myke Newman

Posts: 31

Memphis, Tennessee, US

That's just lower than low. People just hate be honest these days

I hope everthing works out for you in this situation.

Jul 12 06 09:36 pm Link

Photographer

Myke Newman

Posts: 31

Memphis, Tennessee, US

Their web site looks kind of cheesy

Jul 12 06 09:37 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Warneka

Posts: 10

Chicago, Illinois, US

That is crazy.  I do not know how another " photographer" could call your work theirs.

Glad you found it.


PS.  WOW ~ they have a real sad, sad website.  I would not hire them to clean my apartment.


Good catch.

Patrick

Jul 12 06 09:43 pm Link

Photographer

Darrell

Posts: 716

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Dave Krueger wrote:
Check this out.

http://www.pmpmyllc.com/private.html  (18+)

In the group of five, the picture in the center and lower right are mine.

http://www.kruegerphoto.com/fig9.htm  (18+)
http://www.kruegerphoto.com/fig27.htm  (18+)

If you look on the lower left, my name appears in tiny print below the menu. I don't consider that a credit for the pictures since she gives her own email address as the "Photographer".

Sucks, donit?

-Dave

whois -h whois.crsnic.net pmpmyllc.com ...
Redirecting to MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE

whois -h whois.melbourneit.com pmpmyllc.com ...

Domain Name.......... pmpmyllc.com
  Creation Date........ 2005-04-16
  Registration Date.... 2005-04-16
  Expiry Date.......... 2007-04-16
  Organisation Name.... Pam Lavergne
  Organisation Address. 8140 Storm King Peak
  Organisation Address.
  Organisation Address. Littleton
  Organisation Address. 80127
  Organisation Address. CO
  Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... Pam Lavergne
  Admin Address........ 8140 Storm King Peak
  Admin Address........
  Admin Address........ Littleton
  Admin Address........ 80127
  Admin Address........ CO
  Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
  Admin Email.......... [email protected]
  Admin Phone.......... +1.3039727215
  Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ YahooDomains TechContact
  Tech Address......... 701 First Ave.
  Tech Address.........
  Tech Address......... Sunnyvale
  Tech Address......... 94089
  Tech Address......... CA
  Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
  Tech Email........... [email protected]
  Tech Phone........... +1.6198813096
  Tech Fax.............
  Name Server.......... yns1.yahoo.com
  Name Server.......... yns2.yahoo.com


Yahoo hosts it so send Yahoo a DMCA Notice of Infringement (NOI), they will shut it down pretty fast.

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html The instructions are pretty clear, and use the format to send Yahoo the NOI

Jul 12 06 10:49 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Darrell wrote:
Yahoo hosts it so send Yahoo a DMCA Notice of Infringement (NOI), they will shut it down pretty fast.

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html The instructions are pretty clear, and use the format to send Yahoo the NOI

Thanks for the info.  I did the domain search, but I'm not very good at interpreting the results and I didn't know about that policy page or the address to complain to.  I will give them a day or two to shut it down and then contact yahoo.

Jul 12 06 11:14 pm Link

Photographer

IllusionDigital

Posts: 578

San Francisco, California, US

makes me wonder where my photos are....

Jul 12 06 11:31 pm Link

Photographer

ramir

Posts: 326

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

that's why i always put my watermark on my photos. i have seen others steal my work before also and they even took the time to edit out my watermark. but they weren't claiming it as theirs but they used it for their layout for their personal website...

Jul 13 06 03:25 am Link

Photographer

ramir

Posts: 326

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Myke Newman wrote:
Their web site looks kind of cheesy

it sucks period, very ugly...

Jul 13 06 03:26 am Link

Photographer

Emerging Souls

Posts: 64

Saint Augustine, Florida, US

ramir wrote:
that's why i always put my watermark on my photos. i have seen others steal my work before also and they even took the time to edit out my watermark. but they weren't claiming it as theirs but they used it for their layout for their personal website...

That is also why digimarc is such a good idea. There is no way of editing it out. Plus they continuously do a web crawl looking for your work out on the internet and can tell you where its at and send you a report, so you know who is attempting to use it.

Jul 13 06 10:47 am Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

biatch slap ?

Jul 13 06 10:48 am Link

Photographer

Z_Photo

Posts: 7079

Huntsville, Alabama, US

do screen shots of the offense.  are your copyrights registered? i know a good photographer/attorney

Jul 13 06 10:55 am Link

Photographer

Sleepy Weasel

Posts: 4839

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Darrell wrote:
Admin Name........... Pam Lavergne
  Admin Address........ 8140 Storm King Peak
  Admin Address........
  Admin Address........ Littleton
  Admin Address........ 80127
  Admin Address........ CO
  Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
  Admin Email.......... [email protected]
  Admin Phone.......... +1.3039727215
  Admin Fax............

That's about 10 minutes from my house - should I pay her a visit? Sit outside her house and take a pic of her? Approach her Hard Copy style?

Jul 13 06 04:38 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Sleepy Weasel wrote:
That's about 10 minutes from my house - should I pay her a visit? Sit outside her house and take a pic of her? Approach her Hard Copy style?

That sounds like a great idea!  LOL!  But maybe we should give her a little time to take them down first.  big_smile

Jul 13 06 05:20 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Replys from the person in question:

----------------------------------------------------
REPLY 1:

I am so Sorry!  They were sent to me by another source as theirs!!!!!
I am not happy about that at all and will remove immediately.

Again, I am sorry.


----------------------------------------------------
REPLY 2:

Dave,

I really feel terrible.
 
The update to the PMP site should take place when my server re-boots...photos removed and I have also put a link to your webpage on my site for "superior photo gallary."
I have left a message for the gentleman who sent me the  photos (yours, and they are the only ones I did not shoot myself)...a "so-called" friend, he had requested he "support" me in some of my very amatuer photography.

Again, please know how very sorry I am, as it is not my character to ever pass off works of art as my own...I only thought I was helping another person in providing some advertisement for him!!!! 

I am humbled by your work and would never put myself at that level of artistry.



----------------------------------------------------

Ok, I guess I don't get it. 

First of all, if she's not a character to ever pass off works of art as her own, why does her website clearly imply that she's the photographer? 

Secondly, why is my name in tiny print off to the left if she thought they were the work of this "gentleman" who sent her the pictures?

Third, why does she have to wait for her server to reboot for the changes to take effect?  That's not how my web host works...

Forth, she's saying this other gentleman requested that he be able to support her in her amateur photography by supplying her with pictures that weren't hers, but then she says she thought she was helping him with some advertising.

Fifth, she says except for mine, all the other pictures are hers.  Only two are mine and I'd venture to say that at least three others are stolen as well since they do not look amateur.  She probably doesn't know which are mine, although she has visited my website twice today...

I think it would have been less insulting to my intelligence if she had just taken them down without the attempts at explaining her innocence.

Jul 13 06 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Kevin Bargeron wrote:
makes me wonder where my photos are....

Frankly, I've found my pictures all over and that's probably true with most shooters who have pictures on he internet.  For the most part, it doesn't bother me.  A lot of people even provide links.  But, when someone else is taking credit for them or using them inside a paysite without my permission, I get pissed off.

Jul 13 06 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Z_Photo wrote:
do screen shots of the offense.  are your copyrights registered? i know a good photographer/attorney

I did screen shots, but will wait to she if she removes them before doing anything further.

Jul 13 06 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Dave Krueger wrote:

I did screen shots, but will wait to she if she removes them before doing anything further.

how long does it take her to take them down?

Jul 13 06 05:57 pm Link

Photographer

Sockpuppet Studios

Posts: 7862

San Francisco, California, US

She should lay off the crack pipe. She is full of it.

Jul 13 06 05:58 pm Link

Photographer

Sleepy Weasel

Posts: 4839

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

>>>>revs car for trip to Littleton....

wink

Jul 13 06 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

KM von Seidl wrote:

how long does it take her to take them down?

She claims her site won't update until her server reboots.  Anyone ever heard of a webhost that works like that?

Jul 13 06 06:13 pm Link

Photographer

Stonekey Photography

Posts: 507

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

Why did she/they even bother to credit you at all?  Yours is not the only photos on there that are lifted.  I have seen another one of the images thats on there somewhere else.  I never forget a picture, but I wish I could remember the photographer so that I could tell them that there image is being used without their permission.

-Bryan

Jul 13 06 06:32 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Bryan Patrick Coleman wrote:
Why did she/they even bother to credit you at all?

I'm not sure I'd agree that she's crediting me with anything.  Her site says in a large font Contact Photographer for information and gives her email address in the underlined link.

But you're right that she didn't put anyone else's name down and I don't think the other pictures are hers.

Jul 13 06 06:39 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Tracey Masterson

Posts: 553

Shelton, Connecticut, US

Yeah, send in Sleepy Weasel to 're-boot' her server.  What a load of BS.
Over in the stylist section we would have surrounded her house by now! lol
At least you are taking it in stride.

Jul 13 06 07:10 pm Link

Photographer

TheGift_

Posts: 15

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

Ive had several images stolen over the years. One guy thought it would be cool to use one to sell tickets to a fashion show in New York on ebay lol. Turns out it wouldnt have been worth it to take him to court because he did it with Paramount Pictures as well. Bye the time they got through with him there wasnt anything left. Life sucks sometimes doesnt it?

Jul 13 06 07:45 pm Link

Photographer

Stonekey Photography

Posts: 507

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

Clay Poole wrote:
Ive had several images stolen over the years. One guy thought it would be cool to use one to sell tickets to a fashion show in New York on ebay lol. Turns out it wouldnt have been worth it to take him to court because he did it with Paramount Pictures as well. Bye the time they got through with him there wasnt anything left. Life sucks sometimes doesnt it?

At least he got his in the end, even is you didn't get the personal satisfaction of a victory.

Jul 13 06 08:12 pm Link

Photographer

Joe Tomasone

Posts: 12612

Spring Hill, Florida, US

How'd you find out that your photos were being used?

Jul 13 06 08:21 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Tracey Masterson wrote:
Yeah, send in Sleepy Weasel to 're-boot' her server.  What a load of BS.
Over in the stylist section we would have surrounded her house by now! lol
At least you are taking it in stride.

OMG that stylist thread was like a scene from Frankenstein, complete with MUAs armed with burning torches and pitchforks.   It was CRAZY!

Jul 13 06 08:33 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Joe Tomasone wrote:
How'd you find out that your photos were being used?

She has my name on the page off to the left under the menu in tiny print.  I came across the site when I did a web search on my name.

Jul 13 06 09:42 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

I sent a message stating that since I know 2 of the images are stolen, I can safely conclude that the rest of them are also, and that a copy of the page has been saved for your lawyers.

Jul 13 06 09:59 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

Double post!!!

Jul 13 06 10:00 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

If you do, I want to see the video!!! lol

Sleepy Weasel wrote:
That's about 10 minutes from my house - should I pay her a visit? Sit outside her house and take a pic of her? Approach her Hard Copy style?

Jul 13 06 10:05 pm Link

Photographer

Southwest Photography

Posts: 288

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Dave Krueger wrote:

Frankly, I've found my pictures all over and that's probably true with most shooters who have pictures on he internet.  For the most part, it doesn't bother me.  A lot of people even provide links.  But, when someone else is taking credit for them or using them inside a paysite without my permission, I get pissed off.

That happens to me too; there are these people called "model managers;" one in San Diego, another in San Francisco who use my photos without permission as though they owned them. These people are just pimps.

Jul 13 06 10:12 pm Link

Photographer

Darrell

Posts: 716

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

ramir wrote:
that's why i always put my watermark on my photos. i have seen others steal my work before also and they even took the time to edit out my watermark. but they weren't claiming it as theirs but they used it for their layout for their personal website...

Digimarc will tell you where they are. I have seen digimarc in my web IP logs.\

Jul 13 06 10:15 pm Link

Photographer

HEF Photography

Posts: 1817

Jacksonville, Florida, US

Dave Krueger wrote:
I sent a nasty message:

From: Dave Krueger
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Your use of my work

Some of the images you have on the below webpage are copyright protected material created by me.  Furthermore, the implication that you are the producer of those works can be construed to be fraud.

http://www.pmpmyllc.com/private.html

Please remove them immediately.  In fact, I suggest you remove all unlicensed copyrighted material from your site(s).

Dave Krueger
------------------------------------------
Huntsville, AL
http://www.kruegerphoto.com
[email protected]
256-881-5481

You forgot in the letter that you are sending a carbon copy of the letter to your
attorney.  I would also send him/her a bill stating that if he wanted to continue
using the images please remit payment from enclosed invoice.

Jul 13 06 10:16 pm Link

Photographer

JM Dean

Posts: 8931

Cary, North Carolina, US

digimarc can be defeated if you know how.

Servers do not need to be rebooted to change static web content. She’s feeding you a line of BS. Is she waiting for Yahoo to reboot the server? She may be waiting a very long time.

I have also put a link to your webpage on my site for "superior photo gallary."

Why?

Jul 13 06 10:42 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

She's online right now... check this out;

Hi Carlos,

I have sent a message to Dave K. and I let him know how very sorry I was.
I was sent the photos from someone (a "so-called" friend) who said he would help me support me in my amatuer photography. 
I am in the process of getting my site shut down. 

I am terribly sorry - I do not and would not try to use anyone's superior talents (as his are) to pass off as mine.

Thank you so much...as soon as I can my site will be down.

Pam



Carlos Arturo Velarde  wrote:
Knowing two of the images you have on the front page belong to my friend
Dave Krueger, how can anyone know that you're actually a good, or at least
half-decent photographer? As far as anyone can tell, one misrepresentation
means all of them are misrepresentation and furthermore COPYRIGHT
INFRINGEMENT!

Dave has been notified and a copy of this page saved as proof for his
lawyers.

Jul 13 06 10:56 pm Link