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Why do Photographers do these Things?
I've noticed a few things that some photogs do on their profiles that perplex me a little. Why do they do these things: 1. List every gosh durn model they've ever worked with along with the model's ID number (half of whom are no longer members of this or the "other" site). 2. Cut and paste endless testimonials from emails models sent to them. 3. Post pix of them and models posing together. 4. Post pictures of themselves "at work" in the studio. 5. State they they are not looking for dates or relationships. These things are pretty annoying, I think. Jul 11 06 08:29 pm Link 1. Its like a resume. Makes us look like we're THE SHIT man. 2. See #1 above. 3. So we can rub it in the faces of suckers who have regular suck ass day jobs but get paid twice what we do. 4. Gives observers the voyeuristic thrill of the "behind the scenes" candids. 5. Allows us to disarm the defensive models who are drawn to us because we're THE SHIT man. ;^p Jul 11 06 08:51 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: I just make up the names and numbers. You mean some are actually real? Westview Photographics wrote: Hey, I either paid or threatened models to give me those and gosh durn, I am going to use them. Westview Photographics wrote: They just want to tell stories of how they touched a model once. Westview Photographics wrote: Why should I post pictures of what I do when editing or printing? Westview Photographics wrote: What? Lying is fun. Westview Photographics wrote: See you just did it. Jul 11 06 08:53 pm Link DarioImpiniPhotography wrote: LMAO! Jul 11 06 09:19 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: It's about credibility and demonstrating experience, I think. Also, I do it so that a potential model might recognize someone they know on the list. If they ask one another about me, it's free advertising! Westview Photographics wrote: Quick and dirty references? Westview Photographics wrote: To prove that they've actually been within arm's length of an attractive woman? Westview Photographics wrote: See? I'm legit! Seriously! I work in a STUDIO! There's no way a photographer with a studio could possibly be a lecherous bastard! Westview Photographics wrote: Covering their tracks. Jul 11 06 09:26 pm Link A list isn't a bad idea. Makes it easy to check for references. And yes, I'll take pictures of my studio for lighting references. Rest of the stuff is crap though. Jul 11 06 09:27 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: Damn! I don't do any of these things! I guess I'm not a photographer then. Jul 11 06 09:28 pm Link 1) Its all about references. I want my clients comfortable with me and I encourage them to contact other models that I have worked with. You also get to showcase more of your work on sites like these. 2) This is free advertising. If someone tells you that you did a good job, let everyone else know. I do seek permission to use the quote though. 3) While this isn't normal it does put a name to the face and might make the model more comfortable with who they are dealing with. 4) Same as 3. I think it makes things more tangible. I wouldn't put these types of images on this site or my primary pages on my website though. 5) This one is just silly and unprofessional. For most of these things I think models should be doing the same thing. 1. List every gosh durn model they've ever worked with along with the model's ID number (half of whom are no longer members of this or the "other" site). 2. Cut and paste endless testimonials from emails models sent to them. 3. Post pix of them and models posing together. 4. Post pictures of themselves "at work" in the studio. 5. State they they are not looking for dates or relationships. These things are pretty annoying, I think. Jul 11 06 10:48 pm Link I dont do anything on the list Should I start so I can be a real photographer?.....or just keep things how they are Jul 11 06 10:57 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: The models I've worked with are either TFCD or are paying me for the shots. The ones I list are, without exception, great people and I want to promote them in whatever little way I can. 2. Cut and paste endless testimonials from emails models sent to them. Haven't done this yet. I've thought about it, but I'll get permission first, and my profile is already too long. 3. Post pix of them and models posing together. I'm not a model, I stay behind the camera. But if you're referring to certain photographers who post pictures of themselves here playing "horsie" with the model, I can't say anything because (a) they can shoot circles around me and (b) the models seem to be enjoying themselves. 4. Post pictures of themselves "at work" in the studio. Haven't yet, but not a bad idea. Shows that I'm not a hideous creature from the deep and gives potential clients an idea of the shooting environment (i.e., my studio is a nice room, not a damp basement or a wronkled sheet hanging against a wall). 5. State they they are not looking for dates or relationships. Because, unfortunately, some "photographers" are. Not so much here, fortunately, but certainly on places like MySpace where unsolicited messages asking about modeling can be a little creepy. And because some models think they can give you the same passive-aggressive drama BS they give to boyfriends. 6. Rant on forums about what other photographers do innocently instead of living and let live? Oops, how did that get in there? Jul 12 06 12:08 am Link Ruben Vasquez wrote: Jul 12 06 01:22 am Link Ruben Vasquez wrote: Jul 12 06 01:24 am Link Interesting to find a model that actually reads all that..as in my experience they don't.. Incedently, I don't make such lists. I let my pics do the talking for me.. And you're right, it is annoying. Jul 12 06 01:30 am Link Westview Photographics wrote: Maybe because it makes them happy? What makes you happy? Personally, there are so damn many things that I find annoying in this world, that I try to focus on the stuff that makes me happy rather than what pisses me off. But every now and then a good rant makes me happy too! Jul 12 06 09:03 am Link I put in a few models' names and MM numbers to show that I've worked with real people, and a prospective model can take the initiative to contact them for a reference if desired. Lots of models have security issues, particularly with hobbyists like me. So I thought that I was doing that out of courtesy and convenience. However, I don't put in pictures of myself. That would scare them away. Jul 12 06 09:38 am Link Westview Photographics wrote: What if you don't do any of these things, what then? Jul 12 06 09:50 am Link Westview Photographics wrote: compensation Jul 12 06 10:37 am Link Jul 12 06 12:35 pm Link DarioImpiniPhotography wrote: Tooo Freaking Funny Dude! "haaaaaa!" Just for that, I am going to post exactly that in in my profile! j/k! Jul 13 06 11:46 am Link Justin wrote: Hi Justin, Jul 13 06 12:01 pm Link maybe those photographers who do that are into the whole popularity and the whole "look i look cool" type thing, and plus some of them are probably living off of their reputation from years ago (when it was good), so in order to still look current, theyre probably draining people with various other things that will take away from the fact that maybe they havent worked with a new client in ages or they havent gotten a tearsheet or havent grossed any profit in ages. i have pics with some of my model friends, but that s@#ts reserved for myspace. and even on that, i'm very reluctant to really exploit my business and photography thing on my mypsace page, which is why i dont like saving models as friends on it. maybe theyre just into the whole "i'm hot hot hot look at meeeeeeee" thing, because thats the thing of the internet people these days. but the women (models) they actually go for that, they will get hyped up over reading all of that and seeing their self-portraits on there. i will never forget a certain female model who had hit me up to work with me called me and was asking if i had pics on my MM page so she could see me, and then somehow found my myspace page and saw them and only agreed to do it because i looked younger than she expected, and also because my name came off as if i was another race (other than african-american) Jul 13 06 01:42 pm Link The photographers with the most words and info have the biggest PENISES!!!!! Plus it gives then cred. That or they feel the need to pump up their profiles bcause they have a low self estime about their work. The flip side is models buy all that crap that is listed. They feel that if the person has that much info they must be the Shiznit. Most photogs do it because many viewers don't belive the work should speak for itself. The models want to be woowed and feel "special". Personally I think any propoganda a person puts on their page is BS. The BS I have put on my page is just that. BS. Jul 13 06 01:48 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: It's a little like wearing a wedding ring to a bar really, it's designed to make girls want us even more ... my favorite is to get the girl to the shoot and then when she asks if she looks hot, reply "meh, you'll do". Jul 13 06 01:57 pm Link 1. List every gosh durn model they've ever worked with along with the model's ID number (half of whom are no longer members of this or the "other" site). It's sort of like counting coupe, or maybe like checkmarks on a bedpost. "If all of these models worked with me, I must be damned good!" 2. Cut and paste endless testimonials from emails models sent to them. See above. Some they are afraid to let their work stand on its own, so need to add testimonials'. 3. Post pix of them and models posing together. See 1 and 2 above. 4. Post pictures of themselves "at work" in the studio. This one baffles me. With more than 50 years in photography, no one has ever paid me a dime for a picture of me, in or out of the studio. Maybe they need proof they were actually there? 5. State they they are not looking for dates or relationships. Hmmm, maybe it means they are not "looking for dates ...", but might be a little hopeful? Jul 13 06 06:19 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: Because they can .. Jul 13 06 06:22 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: I happen to like "behind the scenes" shots from really really good photographers. I plan to put some up myself just as soon as I get really really good. Jul 13 06 06:25 pm Link Everyone has his or her own agenda. So we should just accept everyone else's and hope that they'll accept ours.  Jul 13 06 06:31 pm Link Westview Photographics wrote: I used to wonder too...However, after learning how some photographers want to take advantage of models especially on non-released shoots, I don't think posting all the stuff is that bad. A few bad apples make models leary. We have also learned a typical manager type account has something to do with providing model references. Many freelance models have copied it and also included they're not looking for dates. Jul 14 06 03:03 am Link Westview Photographics wrote: I don't do any of these. As to the possibility of listing people worked with for references, if someone wants references, the pictures in your portfolio should link to these models. Gotta be honest here, I think these things are done because the photographs can't speak for the photographers or there are ego issues. "Look, I am an artist," "Look, how many people I have worked with and they are smiling in my presence." At best small cries for validation. Jul 14 06 03:30 am Link House of Indulgence wrote: LMFAO ! ! ! Too funny! Jul 14 06 03:54 am Link wrote: i was just thinking that I agree with you Jul 14 06 09:21 am Link Sorry but I do not do any of these things. bs Jul 14 06 02:46 pm Link Jul 14 06 03:31 pm Link this really is the dumbest post yet... Jul 14 06 03:35 pm Link the thread starter is no longer a member? hmm should have posted references in his or her profile. Jul 14 06 04:35 pm Link I don't understand why that stuff bothers anyone so much... Jul 14 06 04:36 pm Link |
