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ChrisCorbettPhotography

Posts: 252

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

Here's one opinion:

"Art is not there to explain...but to awaken feeling in the heart of the person looking at it. A work of art must not be something that leaves a man unmoved, something he passes by with a casual glance. It has to make him react, feel strongly, start creating too, if only in his imagination. He must be jerked out of his torpor...."

                                                                                       Picasso


Was he right?

Jul 10 06 05:13 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

That is what art DOES, not what art IS.

Jul 10 06 05:45 pm Link

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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

Continuing with Brian's thought of what art isn't, art isn't something made by nature (which may cause Picasso's rush).

Art made in the likeness of other art isn't art, it's academic art.

Art isn't something discovered or found.  It isn't made by accident.

And art isn't "artsy" or "artistic."   It's just art.

More anyone?

-D

Jul 10 06 06:06 pm Link

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ChrisCorbettPhotography

Posts: 252

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
That is what art DOES, not what art IS.

So, if it doesn't do what Picasso suggests, it's not art?

Jul 10 06 06:18 pm Link

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d artiste provocateur

Posts: 457

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Art can be created by the common man, but rarely can it be defined by him.

LGL

Jul 10 06 06:21 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Continuing with Brian's thought of what art isn't, art isn't something made by nature (which may cause Picasso's rush).

Art made in the likeness of other art isn't art, it's academic art.

Art isn't something discovered or found.  It isn't made by accident.

And art isn't "artsy" or "artistic."   It's just art.

More anyone?

-D

I like the definition of art as "deliberate transformation".

Why not discovered or found? Objects that are found and put in a new context are art, Duchamp for example. Why not by accident? Accident is a big part of creative process: a brush stroke, chipping of the stone, clicking the shutter. Why not in likeness of other art? Picasso also said: "A mediocre artist borrows, a great artist steals." Warhol copied art from cans of soup.

Jul 10 06 06:37 pm Link

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ChrisCorbettPhotography

Posts: 252

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

But making a piece of lumber from wood is deliberate transformation.

Jul 10 06 06:48 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

ChrisCorbettPhotography wrote:
But making a piece of lumber from wood is deliberate transformation.

Beyond that it's just subjective judgement. A log (or a horse) cut in half can be art.

That is why I like that definition. It's not restrictive.

Jul 10 06 06:59 pm Link

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GWC

Posts: 1407

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Fotticelli wrote:
A log (or a horse) cut in half can be art.

I am confused! I thought it had to be black and white.

GWC!

Jul 10 06 07:07 pm Link

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ChrisCorbettPhotography

Posts: 252

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

Ageed, but you've got to do something to the piece of lumber, or horse. The transformation is what you do with it it seems to me. At the opening of the new modern art museum in Munich a few years ago, one exhibit room contained plywood boxes, that was it. Art?  I guess so.

Jul 10 06 07:07 pm Link

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ChrisCorbettPhotography

Posts: 252

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

GWC wrote:

I am confused! I thought it had to be black and white.

GWC!

It can be red.

Jul 10 06 07:09 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

GWC wrote:
I am confused! I thought it had to be black and white.

GWC!

You are thinking artsy.

Black and white is artsy.
Naked is artistic.
Horses cut in half is delibarate transformation and therefore art. Pay attention GWC.

Jul 10 06 07:46 pm Link

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Stephen Moskop

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

Art is the product of genius.

Jul 10 06 07:50 pm Link

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Stephen Moskop

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

Lumber may be deliberate transformation, but not art- unless Picasso signs it.

Jul 10 06 07:54 pm Link

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Arobeck

Posts: 175

Perth, Western Australia, Australia

hmmm ...art is  beauty even if that beauty has an ugly side,

*art is art when it makes the individual feel something from withinside emotionally (joy,fear,shock,sadness,etc)

*art is art when it makes you think,creativly,critically, or evokes thinking or said emotions.

*art is created, not nesscarily with intent of the above (eg I stumped my foot on a parking meter,,'DOH' damned parking meter, but wait look at the parking meter, its design, it's colour, what a beautiful thing that should incur this burden upon my foot and drain my wallet of coin, 'DAMN you parking meter, I love you and the wrath you incur on society, there must be a better way'  -and thus a photo was taken of the parking meter and a sculptor friend fashioned a parking meter from bronze and the pigeons were happy.

*art is not porn, because the rule say art cannot arouse.

*porn is not art, and vice verse because those are the rules and there are different threads for that sort of thing. Thus we cntinue to catorgorise in a vain attempt to understand and amuse ourselves until the meter maids depoisit coins in our slots and arouse us from oour beautyfull musings.

Jul 10 06 08:09 pm Link

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Stephen Dawson

Posts: 29259

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Brian Diaz wrote:
That is what art DOES, not what art IS.

Art can only be defined by what it does. Or what the artist attempted to do.

Any attempt to complete a sentence beginning with, "Art is..." must trespass on the affect it has on its viewer.

Art is subjective, not objective. Though Ayn Rand's writings about esthetics do challenge my assertion.

An artist wants to affect his audience at an emotional level. The measure of art is its ability to do so.

And that becomes its definition.

Jul 10 06 08:09 pm Link

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Isys Entertainment

Posts: 1420

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Art is humanity and creation...

Or maybe the destruction of reality

Jul 10 06 08:11 pm Link

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Done and Gone

Posts: 7650

Chiredzi, Masvingo, Zimbabwe

I found myself in conversation with an indigenous Ecuadorian from a village in the Andes. He said "You seperate your artists from the rest of your society. In my village the potter makes beautiful pots, the weaver weaves beautiful blankets, there is beauty in everything made in the village. No one there considers themselves an artist, they are just doing what they do for the village. When it is time for music, all join in. No one considers themselves a musician, the village is playing music together because that is what we do there."

I like this idea. It probably does not help define art though. I was in MOMA in San Francisco with a friend. We heard a sound, like a labored grunting. We thought it might be someone that needed help so we searched for it. We came to a room in the museum. Large and open, with sets of clothing fastened to the walls and pairs of shoes on the floor underneath each outfit. In the center of the room was a cluster of school desks in disarray, the small ones we used in grade school. At the far end of the room, pushed up to the wall was a teacher's desk. The grunting sounds were a repeating tape coming from a speaker in the desk. My friend was very annoyed at the waste of a room for such rubbish. I told her she did not appreciate the art. She said "What Art?" I said "Somebody talked MOMA into giving them an entire room in the museum to put this shit. The art is not the art, the art is the talking them into it!" NOW she was annoyed at me too!!!

Jul 10 06 08:15 pm Link

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Arobeck

Posts: 175

Perth, Western Australia, Australia

Isys Entertainment wrote:
Art is humanity and creation...

Or maybe the destruction of reality

no it isnt or at lest not always.

Jul 10 06 08:15 pm Link

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Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

art is something that sits on its ass in a museum.

Jul 10 06 08:16 pm Link

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Stephen Moskop

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

Stephen Dawson wrote:

Art can only be defined by what it does. Or what the artist attempted to do.

Any attempt to complete a sentence beginning with, "Art is..." must trespass on the affect it has on its viewer.

Art is subjective, not objective. Though Ayn Rand's writings about esthetics do challenge my assertion.

An artist wants to affect his audience at an emotional level. The measure of art is its ability to do so.

And that becomes its definition.

Art cannot only be subjective.  If art is subjective, then what becomes of the critic?  How do we know what to put in museums?  What will be our cultural legacy?

Jul 10 06 08:17 pm Link

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HarveyT

Posts: 491

Sacramento, California, US

Sometimes when I see a work, I find myself angry at the content.  I felt something, so it must be art...
If I don't get some sort of feeling, or my attention isn't captured, then the message wasn't conveyed.

Jul 10 06 08:20 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

HarveyT wrote:
Sometimes when I see a work, I find myself angry at the content.  I felt something, so it must be art...

You mean like a parking ticket? I collect them.

Jul 10 06 08:25 pm Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Art is anything you can get away with!

Jul 10 06 08:28 pm Link

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Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

What is "art", is a suitable subject for discusion in Art Appreciation 101. Elsewhere it is wasted breath.

Jul 10 06 08:36 pm Link

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jackfrost

Posts: 67

Austin, Indiana, US

Art is life--emotions shared through love, hate, loss, passion...Some share their art through a camera, drawings, music, dancing...some even share their art through sex! Art cannot be defined with one true meaning. With each day the artist gets more creative, more expressive, more powerful--but only if it's real. To the admirer, art will forever be anything we men and women choose it to be, just as I choose words to be my art.         

Staying Creative Under The Lens

- Jack Frost

Jul 10 06 08:36 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

Stephen Dawson wrote:
Art can only be defined by what it does. Or what the artist attempted to do.

No, there are many good "art is.." definitions out there. "Art is a critique of the world" is a good one. It implies an intent and relating something to something.

When you describe what a particular piece of art does to you, you are just describing how that particuar piece makes you feel. Or what you expect that a piece of art should  do to you.

"what the artist attempted to do" I definetely disagree with that one. I attempt to do many things but but they just don't work.

Jul 10 06 08:38 pm Link

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BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

I think those who are interested in critiqing the creative expressions of others will define  art in the context of their critique.  For those interested in expressing their own creativity, all you really need to know is that art is.

Or, as Bayles and Orland put it, "To the critic, art is a noun. ... To the artist, art is a verb."

Jul 10 06 08:59 pm Link

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HarveyT

Posts: 491

Sacramento, California, US

Jul 10 06 09:01 pm Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

Tim Hammond wrote:
Or, as Bayles and Orland put it, "To the critic, art is a noun. ... To the artist, art is a verb."

I agree. More artn' less talk!

Jul 10 06 09:05 pm Link

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jac3950

Posts: 1179

Freedom, New Hampshire, US

Isys Entertainment wrote:
Art is humanity and creation...

Or maybe the destruction of reality

Art is the creative extension of our humanity.

Jul 10 06 09:08 pm Link

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Jim Goodwin

Posts: 219

Phoenix, Arizona, US

GWC wrote:

I am confused! I thought it had to be black and white.

GWC!

That is only part of it. If it is black and white, and one breast is showing, it might be art. If both breasts are showing, it is definately art.

Jul 10 06 11:44 pm Link

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Vermont Figurative Arts

Posts: 212

Burlington, Vermont, US

Art is a reflection of reality that has been filtered through human thought and emotion.

Jul 10 06 11:53 pm Link

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Doug Harvey

Posts: 1055

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Continuing with Brian's thought of what art isn't, art isn't something made by nature (which may cause Picasso's rush).

So the beautiful redwoods or waterfalls could not be considered art?

Jul 10 06 11:56 pm Link

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Posts: 59

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

I believe art is the depiction of one's mind onto a medium of some kind. The art in question can be beautiful, realistic, abstract, poorly done, or ugly. The quality of the art, and the feeling the piece provokes, is subjective; however, formal and academic standards can dictate how well the art was executed. The accuracy and skill of the artistry depends on how realistic the piece is to the artist's original "head image." If kept in mind, this philosophy does not allow for some to say, "That’s not art...," while others claim, "It's genius!" I've always taken offence to those who claim in a matter-of-fact way, "That’s not art!" That statement is a poor way of expressing one's distaste of a piece. It's a statement of fact where, due to the subjectivity of the medium, there is no "fact." Some have a very limited, uneducated view of art, yet they feel they can dictate what's art and what's not in an absolute statement. The better response to an unappealing piece would be: "I don't care for this piece or style," or even - "I don't like it."

I believe art can also originate from happy accidents, as these can lead to a new vision, and be used to construct an original, mostly intended, piece.

Jul 11 06 12:13 am Link

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Dean Solo

Posts: 1064

Miami, Arizona, US

Sad but true I have come to detest the term "art". Like the word love it is so cliche and abused. Me personaly, I am not interested in creating art, but I do want to make pictures that are both repulsive and desireous. What else is there?

Jul 11 06 12:23 am Link

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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

Doug Harvey wrote:
So the beautiful redwoods or waterfalls could not be considered art?

No, those would be considered "sublime," a category distinct from man-made "beauty."  Art is something made by humanity.

Kant's "Critique of Judgement" divides those things up pretty well.

-Don

P.S.  But a photographic interpretation of those things done well and with creativity might be art.  Depends on what the critics and art buyers decide.   Whatever decision they might make, the artist doesn't much care anyway.  He just makes the stuff.

Jul 11 06 12:45 am Link

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Isys Entertainment

Posts: 1420

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

jac3950 wrote:

Art is the creative extension of our humanity.

I like that smile

Jul 11 06 09:24 am Link

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A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

Yes ME TOO

ART ... SHOWS WE WERE HERE
suggests who we are /were

immortality or a moments fun, a process or a result

Art is life, like music

Dec 05 06 12:37 am Link

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R Michael Walker

Posts: 11987

Costa Mesa, California, US

ChrisCorbettPhotography wrote:
Here's one opinion:

"Art is not there to explain...but to awaken feeling in the heart of the person looking at it. A work of art must not be something that leaves a man unmoved, something he passes by with a casual glance. It has to make him react, feel strongly, start creating too, if only in his imagination. He must be jerked out of his torpor...."

                                                                                       Picasso


Was he right?

I think he also said "art is when I sign my name to something"..At least towards the end of his career he should have.

Dec 05 06 12:40 am Link