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So far ive done one TFCD shoot and im going to talk to a photographer about another one today. What is a reasonable amount of money to ask for for a shoot? i know im very in experienced ad its a bit cheeky of me to start asking for cash so soon, but just incase he decides im worth paying for, or for future reference, coud someone tell me what kind of cash i can expect.... in british £ please  much love alex xxx Jul 10 06 10:02 am Link I dont think it would be wise to expect payment if you have no experience...You will be let down... Jul 10 06 10:07 am Link Experience or no experience is not important. Rates are determined by what you are willing to work for, and what your customer is willing to pay. There are no "standards." It's all based upon what you are worth in the eyes of your customer, what you are willing to do to earn the money, and upon the reality of the cash constraints of the people who want to hire you. The customer can pay you in more ways than money. Will you also get the photos? ... and if so, are they of a quality you would be willing to pay your own money for? If the photographers photos are worth $500 to you, and if you are worth $500 to the phographer, then it sounds like a TFP to me. Jul 10 06 10:16 am Link I have to agree people don't want to pay you unless you've had some experience or your port shows diversity or something that they like. Jul 10 06 10:17 am Link okay, thanks:). So once ive got some experience under my belt, what could i expect? to start with? Sorry to be so persistant lol Jul 10 06 10:18 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: BULLSHIT... Jul 10 06 10:18 am Link okay, thanks:). So once ive got some experience under my belt, what could i expect? to start with? Sorry to be so persistant lol Jul 10 06 10:18 am Link okay, thanks:). So once ive got some experience under my belt, what could i expect? to start with? Sorry to be so persistant lol Jul 10 06 10:19 am Link listen what they say about it mattering what kind of job and the client's cash constraints is true. First off don't expect anything anytime soon really, if you have no experience. just pound the pavement and get a good port. then go out with a set rate....say 150 an hour for non product shoots. Then see where that takes you. You may get it, you may have to settle but once you start getting paid shoots you will have a better idea of the market. ~Flip Jul 10 06 10:26 am Link I think the group has been persistant. You don't have much experience and your portfolio shows it. My advice would be to go find the best photographers in your area and shoot with them - even if you have to pay them. Than you can optimize your portfolio for the type of work that you want to do and THAN you can worry about getting paid work. Today, your rate it Time Only - TFXX. I hope this isn't viewed as harsh. Just my view. Take it for what it cost you. Jul 10 06 10:28 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: Dee wrote: HahahaHAHAHA ... Dee, you crack me up. Jul 10 06 01:20 pm Link .... in british £ please I don't even know where to make that little symbol with my keyboard... There is alot of work you are going to be doing with your modeling as time goes on, and don't EVER stop learning and experimenting with things, but the best way to determine rates is by basing it on your competition. Rates here in my little rural part of the US are MUCH different than modeling rates in the big cities. Also, if there is someone that you can turn to that is a good professional photographer that is willing to help you learn and grow, try to find them. Jul 10 06 01:32 pm Link Ummm. Modeling. What do you want to do? I have a day job and did shoots after work or whenever my photog had a cancelation. Pay? Runway work is going to pay different than print than promotional. what you can do, will help with looking at what you can expect pay wise. Someone said find a "GOOD photographer" That means someone besides yourself taking a picture with a web cam or camera phone. Once you get decent images, put some expierience. Do a couple shoots, get used to a photograher, than hire a stylist and MUA. With a photog a mua at least, they can add on to what you can do. As far as pay. I have people ask for my rates. I don't charge per say. If the photog was to sell my image, i would get a portion. So it's like getting paid...I've got cool images and didn't pay to have them done. Others paid the same photographer $500 to get images like mine. Figure out what you want to do, then go from there. Jul 10 06 01:51 pm Link akrofchak wrote: As a UK photographer I never pay models. If there is any money going around it is coming from the client and the client will pay the model (although I may end up as a middle man). I would never suggest a model I have never worked with before to a client as I would have no idea how good they would be. It's my reputation on the line with the client in that case. I have worked with models I have never met before but they have been hired by the client. Jul 10 06 02:41 pm Link I think the real question is: How much should YOU be paying an experienced photographer for a real photoshoot? Jul 11 06 08:45 am Link akrofchak wrote: Alex, everyone began somewhere. Modelling as a hobby can be great fun and (for a few people) may lead on to professional opportunities. When I first modelled, in summer 1974, I certainly didn't expect to still be modelling in 2006 . Jul 11 06 09:57 am Link Extreme Photo wrote: Haha ... what's a "real" photoshoot? Do you mean the kind where some guy spent a lot of money for "real" equipment? Or the kind that charges naive girls a couple of thousand for a "real portfolio" , comp cards, and a web page without traffic, or some bogus modeling certificate? Jul 12 06 06:32 pm Link Hi Alex Great look! Maybe once you get experieced try in London... there might be more work, also the Fetish events - if you develop that way Experience is very important, of LIFE as well as modelling especially in these circles Without experience offering to work as a Pro Model is cheeky, yes! and if you don't pull it off well, it will count against you I suggest, unless the guy asked your rate and is willing to do say at least £40 per hour that you do it for expenses ...after you get REFERENCES and check them! This is Not the best place to ask Huni they are most all Americans as a Londoner (and experienced) my rate would also be higher than Grimsby ... unless you strick a lucky shoot.. so I can't say, no one not in Grimsby can. Ask the locals but £40 will get you working - AFTER you have more experience maybe up to £75 for non nude - if you are lucky - later remember you are 5' 4'' and that you are young SO dont do what you miight regret once those pics are out there Good luck! Jul 12 06 06:45 pm Link I really hate to burst your bubble, but don't expect to get rich or even make a living from modeling on the internet, at best you might be able to put asn occasional steak on the table. Most who make any sort of 'real' money are doing nudes and/or porn. Someone mentioned $150 per hour, but for that rate I can get a model fron a major, mainstream model agency. You are a very attractive lady, but like many you have a mistaken view of net modeling. About 90% of models on the net make little to nothing in the way of cash. That's why they come and go so frequently. Personally I've been active on the model/photography forums for a good 12 years, since there were only two of them and have paid a model in cash only once in the last five years and that was a small stipend. My advice? Find the best photographers in your area that you can find and offer to work with them for images. Get s many photo sessions you can as quickly as you can, post them and go from there. Once you have some excellent images, instead of quoting a rae, ask photographers what they are willing/able to pay, then negotiate. As a retired commercial photographer, I often asked commercial clients what their budget was for a particular project and went from there. Jul 12 06 07:17 pm Link OK If you want to charge, ask for 50 pounds. Here in CA, I would consider $100 minimum tip money as a thank you for helping. That's not a "paid" photo shoot, but a friendly gesture. Maybe Europe is more. Basically, I've never been asked to pay a model. They usually want my photos more than money. If someone is coming from out of town, I might slip $100 to offset expenses for a couple tanks of gas, or something like that. It's just to help out. Most young girls who want to model don't have much money, so it's a gentleman who should help out to make things work. Jul 13 06 01:18 am Link yup £50 for expenses etc is a good idea S but might be a bit much for average in that area... depends if the guy really likes you and has the money! you can try! Jul 13 06 01:21 am Link Experience does not matter all the time. Even if it does to the photographer you're working with, I understand that you are wondering what to ask for in the future, too, and most of these people are ignoring the question. If you are waiting to see if the photographer will offer to pay you, you shouldn't worry about it. It will probably go something like "I think I'll give you $X." Anyway, for a beginner.. I would say $25 an hour. I don't know how much that is in pounds. But, I started as a paid model. My first shoot ever was for $25 an hour. A few shoots later, I raised it to $50. But don't let your rate be set in stone. Now, I charge $50 an hour, sometimes more.. But someone contacted me saying he could only afford to pay $25 an hour.. I like his work, so I'm going to do it. Jul 13 06 01:30 am Link working for £15 or less per hour will make her look cheap also putting it up later is harder as she has more limited photogs to chose from in Grimsby than you ... far fewer than Bay area! Also, W you do nudes. Alex hasn't said she will do this and not posted any. Better, more classy, to just ask for expenses - a round figure like £40 / £50 esp after you get a few prof pics in port and a couple of shoots under your belt Big Fetish scene with 'fashion' element in UK even in the provinces also many many many gals that will shoot for CD! Look forward to seeing the images! ps Have you tried Net Models (more UK shooters on there) Jul 13 06 01:52 am Link I honestly think your experience is not that important, although it does help.  ) I think what matters most is your face, your whole look and how badly someone wants your face in their port. THAT is important. Not speaking of anyone in particular, but no photographer is going to pay for an unattractive face to add the their port. That is just common sense. Add a variety of looks with the best MUA, hair stylist and photographers you can find for a quality port and you can get paid jobs with the right look.Jul 20 06 02:57 pm Link This is my take on this: Who is getting the benefit of this shoot? If the photographer is gaining experience and maybe even practice with you and you getting nothing out of it, them the photographer should pay you. How much? I think that is something that you have to take to him/her and get into an agreement. Think of a number you can be comfortable with, find out how much other models in your area with your level of experience are charging and make a proposal. Be ready to support why are your rates 'x amount' but also, be willing to negotiate. A good 'business' happens when both parts feel they got a good deal. Also remember that on a TFP or TFCD, the photographer is also investing way more than his time. Now, if the photographer is somebody that will give you recognition just for the fact that you are working with he/she? In this case you are the one getting the benefit and I think you are lucky if you don't get charge for it. Like in no other business I been into, this is one were people are people and not just a money machine (for the most part) what it is fair for you should be fair for the photographer and vice versa. Talk and I am sure something good will came up from that. Rocke.- Jul 20 06 04:34 pm Link |
