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Coco from Houston
Posts: 177
Houston, Texas, US
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!!
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aye provide
Posts: 1330
New York, New York, US
Some folks like to view the "raw" no fills nudes????
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modaphoto
Posts: 100
Los Angeles, California, US
Many "models" look better with their clothes on CoCo
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Coco from Houston
Posts: 177
Houston, Texas, US
 okay but that still doesn't justify them as a "model". I put the quotes bcuz the model lines are starting to look burry to me now. I guess everyone goals are different which makes certain pictures appropriate?
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JM Dean
Posts: 8931
Cary, North Carolina, US
What is a model as you see it?
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Nigel Aves Photography
Posts: 82
Longmont, Colorado, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! I maybe wrong on this but I'm not sure that the nude bit is 100% correct, I think there's an awful lot of misguidance . I've looked at some ports and they are shall we say mediocre at best. But then you look at the tags and many are from photographers saying things like âstunningâ, âincredibleâ, âI want you in front of my cameraâ etc etc â¦.
The thing about nude pictures seems to be that no one will say the truth about them.
Just my thoughts on this touchy but true subject.
Of course the other aspect of this is âwhen does a person turn into a modelâ, whatâs the defining point? Is it the poise, the attitude, the willingness to do nude (no, can not be that otherwise every girl on Suicide Girls is a model!!)
Any thoughts on this?
Nigel.
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Coco from Houston
Posts: 177
Houston, Texas, US
JM Dean wrote:
What is a model as you see it? I say, it is too much to write but ultimately I believe modeling...
is where one either is showcasing themselves, product, or concept.
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ericphotonyc
Posts: 538
Brooklyn, New York, US
mod·el P Pronunciation Key (mdl)
n.
A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
(skips a bunch of other definitions)
One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, or photographer.
By definition, they are models, just like you are a model. Now just because you are a model doesn't mean you are a good model, or a beautiful model or an interesting model, but hell, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
One nice thing about websites like MM is that it is democratic. Everyone gets their voice. Everyone can post their work for the world to see. The more people taking pictures, the more pictures there are in the world. If people are having fun making pictures, isn't that the point?
The nude figure has had its place in art ever since there has been art. Look at Reuben's paintings. I don't think his models would make the cover of Maxim. In 100 years, where would you rather have your likeness, on the cover of Maxim or hanging in the Met, Louvre, Prado, etc?
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Nigel Aves Photography
Posts: 82
Longmont, Colorado, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
I say, it is too much to write but ultimately I believe modeling...
is where one either is showcasing themselves, product, or concept. Agreed, but in fairness that is excatly what the girls are doing that you talk about in your first post on this subject. They are showcasing themselves and then saying "I'm a model".
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modaphoto
Posts: 100
Los Angeles, California, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
okay but that still doesn't justify them as a "model". I put the quotes bcuz the model lines are starting to look burry to me now.
I guess everyone goals are different which makes certian pictures appropriate? Dont base your judgment on this site CoCo
this site is a joke
Go to www.Models.com
Yes I have a sense of humour
This site is to modeling as the little kid car (Utopia) ride at disneyland is to
Indy Racing
And I still believe that MANY of the "models" look way better with thier clothes ON
then off
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Coco from Houston
Posts: 177
Houston, Texas, US
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh?
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Nigel Aves Photography
Posts: 82
Longmont, Colorado, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh? Can not agree with that one little bit. There's a big difference between a "tastefully done" nude and a SG legs open nude. It's all in expression and poise of the model.
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ericphotonyc
Posts: 538
Brooklyn, New York, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh? I think in order for an image to be a true art nude, the model must be posed against a wrinkled bedsheet wearing angel wings.
If someone is utilizing the photos for pragmatic purpose, then it is porn.
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Bonita Photography
Posts: 402
Bonita, California, US
When the focus is not on the "privates" of the model. When a woman can view the work and appreciate it? Kevin
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Ye Olde Photographer
Posts: 547
San Juan, San Juan-Laventville, Trinidad and Tobago
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! Art history:
Western society likes images of nude women: this has been the case for centuries. The ancient Greek liked nude men and boys. The great Italian artist, Michelangelo, loved painting naked people so much that the decorated the entire ceiling of The Sistine Chapel in the Vatican with mostly paintings of nude men.
Check out this nude form 300 years ago:
http://www.artrenewal.com/asp/database/ … sp?id=2940
I guess we're just not out of this phase yet.
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Stephen Dawson
Posts: 29259
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
What one sees when looking from the bible belt, is very different from what one sees when looking from, say, Europe.
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ericphotonyc
Posts: 538
Brooklyn, New York, US
kevin atkinson wrote:
When the focus is not on the "privates" of the model. When a woman can view the work and appreciate it? Kevin Plenty of fine art focuses on model's privates. What is the first thing you notice when looking at David?
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Marshall Arts
Posts: 621
Los Angeles, California, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! Some people take bad pictures with their clothes on and all of a sudden think they're a model.
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aye provide
Posts: 1330
New York, New York, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh? I would say the standard of "lewd" in your town defines art from porn.
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Coco from Houston
Posts: 177
Houston, Texas, US
Marshall Arts wrote:
Some people take bad pictures with their clothes on and all of a sudden think they're a model. True true, but that doesn't bother me as much bcuz everyone has taken at least 1 picture in their life and thought deep down inside they looked good. It's when girls or guys take off their clothes and get bold and their images look like soft porn 
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miss z
Posts: 977
San Francisco, California, US
Ahaha! SOFT PORN. 
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Frozen Instant Imagery
Posts: 4153
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Coco from Houston wrote:
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh? flippant answer: it's artistic nude when it's black and white
more serious answer: it's artistic nude when the intent is to capture an idea or emotion that's something more profound than "oooh look, girly bits!". Gotta be a better way to express that idea, though.
As for what makes it "not raunchy or porn", I guess that's partly in the model's expression, partly in the pose, partly in the angles, and partly (considerably?) in the mind of the beholder. Someone from the Bible Belt might see any nude image as an invitation to damnation. Someone a little more enlightened may be more discriminating.
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Shyly
Posts: 3870
Pasadena, California, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! Clothing or not, someone who models is a model. You might not think they're a good model, or you might not approve of what they're modeling, but that doesn't negate the activity in which they are engaged.
What I've never really understood is the compulsion so many people feel to come on these boards and start threads with the specific intention of downing other folks. Why is that fun?
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kiana's place
Posts: 572
Citrus Heights, California, US
why are you so worried about what others do. Just worry about what you do and the rest will take care of it's self.
becides one can also say
Why is it when some girls keep their clothes on and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of fully colthed pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
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Done and Gone
Posts: 7650
Chiredzi, Masvingo, Zimbabwe
Do you want the people who don't meet your standards to just go away? I could have joined this site to display my snapshots or just to try to hook up. MM has a wonderful freedom to it, the possibilities are endless. Price to pay is all the stuff you have to get through to find your own fun. I used to lab assist at a junior college photography program. If we had sent the less talented or experienced students home how would they improve? Focus on your own goals and let others do the same.
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j-shooter
Posts: 1912
San Francisco, California, US
Michael Longeneker wrote:
Do you want the people who don't meet your standards to just go away? I could have joined this site to display my snapshots or just to try to hook up. MM has a wonderful freedom to it, the possibilities are endless. Price to pay is all the stuff you have to get through to find your own fun. I used to lab assist at a junior college photography program. If we had sent the less talented or experienced students home how would they improve? Focus on your own goals and let others do the same. nice!
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Bonita Photography
Posts: 402
Bonita, California, US
ericphotonyc wrote:
Plenty of fine art focuses on model's privates. What is the first thing you notice when looking at David? You have a point. We could take the definition of art to the extreme and anything would qualify. Beyound that it is all in the eye of the beholder. I've been in critiques were the photographer threw some trash in a pile and took shots of it. The instructor was ooh and aahing over the shots. I'm thinking a pile of trash is a pile of trash??? My definition of art nudes would be, again MY definition. If the nudity is only one element of the image that is combined with lighting, posing, background, etc. to create a successful image. Kevin
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jackfrost
Posts: 67
Austin, Indiana, US
coco , some wolud say your not modeling , but just doing a getto thang ! even though you might consider what your doing is modeling , just as some may think my photographer is not by stadards photography , some photographers on here are more graphic designers than photographers in my oppion , yet they are still photographers , modeling is someone who is showcasing something to veiw , either a product or themsleves either way they should be called a model .
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Jeremy I
Posts: 2201
Charlotte, North Carolina, US
I sense much hate in this thread.
People do what they want to do, why judge?
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Coco from Houston wrote:
Okay since beauty is in the eye of the beholder then what makes an artful nude not raunchy looking or porn???
Nothing really huh? Any car can be a getaway car... but does that make every car a getaway car? I think not. Now, can you tell me the difference between a getaway car and any other car?
Nothing really huh? Studio36
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Kentsoul
Posts: 9739
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! This sort of hypocritical boilerplate isn't even amusing anymore. If you have such issue with so many of the images here, perhaps YOU don't belong here.
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
ericphotonyc wrote:
Plenty of fine art focuses on model's privates. What is the first thing you notice when looking at David? That he has oversized and disproportionate hands.
Studio36
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Dark Magus
Posts: 7027
El Cajon, California, US
Coco from Houston wrote:
Why is it when some girls take off their clothes and take a picture they think they're all of a sudden a "model"???
I've seen my fair share of nude pics (on this site) and most of them are not sexy or classy AT ALL.
Please, someone help me understand!!!! I just have to ask this question: why do you care?
If someone wants to pose nude does that bother you? Why? If you pose in a berka covered from head to toe with only eyes and hands visible what does that say about you?
The first time someone picks up a camera and takes a picture is he a photographer? Yes! Is he a good photographer? Not likely. Would you hire him to take pics for your portfolio? Yes if you are a fool with your money. Advance the time 10 years and what we see is a more experienced photographer with better equipment. Same guy, just better now. He has been a photographer for 10 years.
If you are too ashamed or afraid or what ever to pose nude that is on you. The question you should be asking yourself is: if I canât pose nude does that mean I am not committed to being a model? Am I just a weekend model like a military reservist? On Americaâs Top Model there is the nude episode. I think that the one person who just will not participate even in simulated nudes goes home. That is because to be anything greater that yourself in this world there has to be a high level of commitment to doing what it takes. Nudity is part of the game. Lots of people would love to fly planes but never see the inside of a cockpit. Takes a lot of commitment to prepare yourself for a career as a pilot. The process weeds out the ones that do not have the commitment to succeed. It takes 2 years to train a Navy Seal. Most quit along the way. The job is hard and those who are in it for glory will not make it. Those who are committed beyond lip service wear the pin.
Where is your commitment to your craft?
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Oriental Silk
Posts: 535
London, England, United Kingdom
I am sure the OP meant well, but I don't really understand her point. Is it that less experienced model should be nurtured and encouraged through the process of constructive criticism until their portfolios come up to a certain standard? Is it that nudity is less credible that clothed modelling? Is it that MM should have admission criteria based on the quality of submitted work? This is a genuine request for clarification. My own opinion, for what it's worth, is that MM is a place where experienced and neophite can rub shoulders; serious discussion and fun provocation can be exchanged between people with shared or complimentary interests, but often wildly different views. For some people it is an aspect of their professional promotion, for others an occasional source of talent - for everyone, it should be a safe, welcoming environment in which to 'be' models, stylists and/or photographers at whatever level they have the desire and ability to attain. On the matter of nudity, that is and always has been a respectable option for models, particularly those who model for painters and sculptors. If anyone is uncomfortable with thier own naked body, then they do not have to model nude; however, others are comfortable with it and can recognise its significance in the history and practice of art. Please note that this does not mean any image, nude or clothed, has any merit other than what is deserves in its own right. ![https://www.solloway.demon.co.uk/web_images/akemi_avatar_1.jpg]()
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Dark Magus
Posts: 7027
El Cajon, California, US
akemi wrote:
I am sure the OP meant well, but I don't really understand her point.
Is it that less experienced model should be nurtured and encouraged through the process of constructive criticism until their portfolios come up to a certain standard?
Is it that nudity is less credible that clothed modelling?
Is it that MM should have admission criteria based on the quality of submitted work?
This is a genuine request for clarification.
My own opinion, for what it's worth, is that MM is a place where experienced and neophite can rub shoulders; serious discussion and fun provocation can be exchanged between people with shared or complimentary interests, but often wildly different views. For some people it is an aspect of their professional promotion, for others an occasional source of talent - for everyone, it should be a safe, welcoming environment in which to 'be' models, stylists and/or photographers at whatever level they have the desire and ability to attain.
On the matter of nudity, that is and always has been a respectable option for models, particularly those who model for painters and sculptors. If anyone is uncomfortable with thier own naked body, then they do not have to model nude; however, others are comfortable with it and can recognise its significance in the history and practice of art. Please note that this does not mean any image, nude or clothed, has any merit other than what is deserves in its own right.
![https://www.solloway.demon.co.uk/web_images/akemi_avatar_1.jpg]() Yeah, what she so eloquently said. (I think I love you)
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art of the muse- musart
Posts: 606
kiana's place wrote:
why are you so worried about what others do. Just worry about what you do and the rest will take care of it's self.
besides one can also say stands and applauds....!
well said!
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Huma
Posts: 9
London, England, United Kingdom
Macabre World wrote:
I maybe wrong on this but I'm not sure that the nude bit is 100% correct, I think there's an awful lot of misguidance . I've looked at some ports and they are shall we say mediocre at best. But then you look at the tags and many are from photographers saying things like âstunningâ, âincredibleâ, âI want you in front of my cameraâ etc etc â¦.
The thing about nude pictures seems to be that no one will say the truth about them.
Just my thoughts on this touchy but true subject. Interesting point and there is no doubt in my mind that the reasons my nude pics get so many views on model sites as opposed to the clothed pics are for all the obvious reasons.
However, it's actually the clothed pics that draw the most positive comments from photographers whilst I get a lot of great feedback on the nudes from FEMALE models. That's usually when I know whether a nude is good or not - if it gets lots of positive female feedback! Is that sexist?
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Wil with one L
Posts: 394
Malibu, California, US
Sorry to jump in this late....
if they are in front of my lens, they are a model.
if they are getting paid for it, they are a professional model.
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okay but that still doesn't justify them as a "model". I put the quotes bcuz the model lines are starting to look burry to me now. 
