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Photographer

All Seeing Eye

Posts: 10

Chicago, Illinois, US

Hello to all...

I am wanting to hear from photographers about how they approach working with new, inexperienced models.  Does anyone have any creative ways to stimulate gestures and expressions beyond simple verbal direction? ? ?  How do you get past that initial 'blank look' stage ? ? ?

Jul 07 06 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

BlindMike

Posts: 9594

San Francisco, California, US

Getting to know them helps.

Jul 07 06 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

Cassandra Panek

Posts: 1569

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

i demonstrate.

...that usually gets them laughing, if nothing else.

Jul 07 06 03:02 pm Link

Photographer

C R Photography

Posts: 3594

Pleasanton, California, US

All Seeing Eye wrote:
How do you get past that initial 'blank look' stage ? ? ?

There's a stage beyond the Blank Look stage?... yikes

Jul 07 06 03:05 pm Link

Model

Zakiya Soleil

Posts: 126

Kennesaw, Georgia, US

just make sure they feel comfortable. let them know its okay to relax and let loose. all you want them to do is evoke emotion...which isnt hard to do if you have a heart lol. if you have a "laid back" vibe, then that also helps.

Jul 07 06 03:16 pm Link

Photographer

Peter Dattolo

Posts: 1669

Wolcott, Connecticut, US

bottle of brandy, case of beer, wine.................



Actualy if they are comfortable and you talk to them beforehand about what your looking for in the photos, they know what you want for expressions (experienced models). For beginning models thats a whole different ballgame though.

Jul 07 06 03:25 pm Link

Photographer

Photo Girl Raquel

Posts: 170

Canby, Minnesota, US

I am not sure, but for me I think being female helps the females. I havn't worked with many males yet. We shall see if it is as easy with the guys.
I totally get out there and show them what I want. I make a total fool of myself first and just get them goofing off. If I want sensuality I turn on the music, and get the sensual mood going by demonstarting sensual. I just get into it as much as possible. It helps break the ice all around. Of course, I have only worked with 2 experienced girls ever.
I know if I were modeling I would love to know that I am safe. I am not going to be touched innapropriatly or oggled as such either, it's just establishing that trust, and letting the model get in the creative mood. Find out as much as you can about them.
Ok, I have done enough rambling and repeating myself.

Jul 07 06 03:26 pm Link

Photographer

Peter Dattolo

Posts: 1669

Wolcott, Connecticut, US

Photo Girl Raquel wrote:
I am not sure, but for me I think being female helps the females. I havn't worked with many males yet. We shall see if it is as easy with the guys.
I totally get out there and show them what I want. I make a total fool of myself first and just get them goofing off. If I want sensuality I turn on the music, and get the sensual mood going by demonstarting sensual. I just get into it as much as possible. It helps break the ice all around. Of course, I have only worked with 2 experienced girls ever.
I know if I were modeling I would love to know that I am safe. I am not going to be touched innapropriatly or oggled as such either, it's just establishing that trust, and letting the model get in the creative mood. Find out as much as you can about them.
Ok, I have done enough rambling and repeating myself.

And you were very sensual as you did that.   smile

Jul 07 06 03:36 pm Link

Photographer

Carpe Imago Photography

Posts: 1757

Dousman, Wisconsin, US

Always schedule a first meeting to sit down and have coffee...or the non-alcoholic beverage of their choice.  No problem with alcohol, but it doesn't mix with business.

We discuss what she wants to get out of the shoot, what I want to get out of it, her rules, my rules, the release, and just generally shoot the bull for awhile.  Usually takes an hour or 90 minutes, but is time VERY well spent.

Or I just strip to my tighty whiteys and do a little dance to impress her with my serious mojo.

(Oh don't be ridiculous, of course I'm kidding.  I would never wear tighty whiteys.)

Jul 07 06 03:36 pm Link

Photographer

Ryan Colford Studios

Posts: 2286

Brooklyn, New York, US

Synthetic Shadows wrote:
i demonstrate.

...that usually gets them laughing, if nothing else.

I find that the amount of laughing at me as I attempt to display what I want increases from shoot to shoot.  On the plus side, I usually get what I want AND laughter usually puts the model at ease.

Jul 07 06 03:38 pm Link

Photographer

Bjorn Lumiere

Posts: 816

Asheville, North Carolina, US

It's essential the photographer has a clear vision of what they're looking for & then be able to communicate that, as clearly as possible in a friendly manner to the model.

Jul 07 06 03:38 pm Link

Photographer

Cassandra Panek

Posts: 1569

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Colford Studios wrote:

I find that the amount of laughing at me as I attempt to display what I want increases from shoot to shoot.  On the plus side, I usually get what I want AND laughter usually puts the model at ease.

it's deliciously devious, isn't it? big_smile

Jul 07 06 03:40 pm Link

Photographer

lightsandshadow

Posts: 2200

New York, New York, US

Lots of talking.  I try to make them feel comfortable with me.  I throw in a few jokes, smile a lot and if verbal direction doesn't work too well, I will literally show the model the pose I want.  Not that usually gets them to smile because I look pretty silly striking a feminine pose with all my photo gear!

Jul 07 06 03:41 pm Link

Photographer

FemmeArt

Posts: 880

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I do the moonwalk, while juggling five cameras.  This usually breaks the ice...

Jul 07 06 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

Meehan

Posts: 2463

Merrimack, New Hampshire, US

I use complex verbal direction, simple is too easy...

Jul 07 06 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Iain Daddy

Posts: 37

Epsom and Ewell, England, United Kingdom

I always find that a cattle prod works and I have no problem with accusations of inappropriate touching... after 10 minutes of this they have just the right facial expression I am looking for...

Jul 07 06 03:48 pm Link

Photographer

Philip Gunderson

Posts: 40

Blue Springs, Mississippi, US

One thing I finds that helps it to talk to them, not at them. Small talk about how their day was, different interests, comments on the weather even helps. It may sound corny, but it works for me. If, as they happen to strike a pose while you may be 'almost ready to shoot' and it look interesting,tell them you like the way they're standing/sitting, the smile looks good, what ever they're doing at that moment looks great and you want to capture it. Sometimes the best shot isn't planned.

After a bit, show them a photo or two as it you're shooting. I find this makes them feel more like they're involved and ask for input. Granted you're in charge, but if you listen to their comments, they open up more and start to show an interest also.

The biggest share of my work, from time to time, is people who've never modeled before and this seems to help people to loosen up and feel comfortable.

Hope this helps
.

Jul 07 06 07:04 pm Link

Photographer

Philip Gunderson

Posts: 40

Blue Springs, Mississippi, US

One thing I finds that helps it to talk to them, not at them. Small talk about how their day was, different interests, comments on the weather even helps. It may sound corny, but it works for me. If, as they happen to strike a pose while you may be 'almost ready to shoot' and it look interesting,tell them you like the way they're standing/sitting, the smile looks good, what ever they're doing at that moment looks great and you want to capture it. Sometimes the best shot isn't planned.

After a bit, show them a photo or two as it you're shooting. I find this makes them feel more like they're involved and ask for input. Granted you're in charge, but if you listen to their comments, they open up more and start to show an interest also.

The biggest share of my work, from time to time, is people who've never modeled before and this seems to help people to loosen up and feel comfortable.

Hope this helps.

Jul 07 06 07:04 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45328

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Carpe Imago Photography wrote:
Always schedule a first meeting to sit down and have coffee...or the non-alcoholic beverage of their choice.  No problem with alcohol, but it doesn't mix with business.

We discuss what she wants to get out of the shoot, what I want to get out of it, her rules, my rules, the release, and just generally shoot the bull for awhile.  Usually takes an hour or 90 minutes, but is time VERY well spent.

Or I just strip to my tighty whiteys and do a little dance to impress her with my serious mojo.

(Oh don't be ridiculous, of course I'm kidding.  I would never wear tighty whiteys.)

Yes, I like this approach  ....  (not the tighty whiteys! lol) and find that it helps to meet before hand to avoid "no shows" the day of the shoot.

Jul 07 06 07:08 pm Link

Photographer

BlindMike

Posts: 9594

San Francisco, California, US

Carpe Imago Photography wrote:
(Oh don't be ridiculous, of course I'm kidding.  I would never wear tighty whiteys.)

Me neither. Underwear's overrated.

Jul 07 06 07:20 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45328

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Photo Girl Raquel wrote:
I am not sure, but for me I think being female helps the females. I havn't worked with many males yet. We shall see if it is as easy with the guys.
I totally get out there and show them what I want. I make a total fool of myself first and just get them goofing off. If I want sensuality I turn on the music, and get the sensual mood going by demonstarting sensual. I just get into it as much as possible. It helps break the ice all around. Of course, I have only worked with 2 experienced girls ever.
I know if I were modeling I would love to know that I am safe. I am not going to be touched innapropriatly or oggled as such either, it's just establishing that trust, and letting the model get in the creative mood. Find out as much as you can about them.
Ok, I have done enough rambling and repeating myself.

Something about having another female at the location or studio really does help!  wink

I'm very open to allowing the models to bring escorts.  Many times doing so has benefited the photography.  Also I do try to demonstrate the poses, and that gets them laughing!

Jul 07 06 07:33 pm Link

Photographer

D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

"Come on in.  I'm Don.  Take off your clothes and let's talk."

-Don

Jul 07 06 07:57 pm Link