Photoman754 wrote:
A model with 'some experience' wants to do a shoot with me for 3 hours. She wants $200 that includes $50 for travel expenses, a CD, and some prints. Casual attire so it is not like swimsuit or lingerie or anything like that.

I'm rather new here and I know this thread has been discussed before but is that what I will need to expect to get models?

I don't think my work is that bad to need to pay that much of money, time and effort to get someone that likes to model to do a shoot with me?

Counter offer: $50 travel expenses, a CD and a coupon from Walmart for a print.
Tell her when she gets paid, she don't get no CD or prints.

Cristal Steverson wrote:
She cant expect to get $ and a CD and prints.
You are being too nice.

That's what I am always told.

Cristal Steverson wrote:
I have been around a minute and paid 200+ for a 3 hour shoot with clothes on... and I am worth every penny

If I shot 300 images... and I am sure everyone is going to jump on me for this... I like to have all the images... unedited.... edit what you like... and I'll take those too... I edit (or not) most of my images myself (trust me, I'm a doctor ) but I TFCD very very very very very rarely so I dont have to go over this very often.

Cristal, you have a great deal of experience and bring a lot more to the shoot than a new model with only minimual experience. In a three hour shoot with you the chances are great art is going to be created. In a three hour shoot with a new model who really knows whats going to happen. Its one thing to pay top dollar for experience and talent, which you have a great deal of, and to pay top dollar from someone who is new and unproven. BTW, your port is awsome!
Tim

John W Cochran wrote:
Some want their cake and to be able to eat it. IMHO that is too much.

WoW!....so the saying must be true....Great Minds Think Alike!....LOL

Photoman754 wrote:
I made a counter offer but to no avail.

Btw, on CD's to the model, what is expected? Do you expect them to be cropped, blemmishes removed, adjust contrast/color/etc if necessary. If 300 photos are taken, how many would you expect to get on a CD?

When I shoot I prefer to get all the shots taken, untouched.
Then pick out the once I like and have them corpped and all that, or have the photographer pick out the once that he/she likes and fix them. I prefer to do all my retuching my self, so I get the pics just the way I like them. But if your not a wissard in photoshop it might be a good idea to have someone else do them.
But if she askes for a cd + prints and 200, that`s a bit much. If you are not selling the pictures later, your loosing money.
But this is only my opinion!

Photoman754 wrote:
A model with 'some experience' wants to do a shoot with me for 3 hours. She wants $200 that includes $50 for travel expenses, a CD, and some prints. Casual attire so it is not like swimsuit or lingerie or anything like that.

I'm rather new here and I know this thread has been discussed before but is that what I will need to expect to get models?

I don't think my work is that bad to need to pay that much of money, time and effort to get someone that likes to model to do a shoot with me?

Tiffin is not that far from me and you don't need to pay those rates.  Although you're probably a little too far east to draw models from Indiana (Ft. Wayne?), you are located a convenient distance from Michigan.  There must be at least 1000 models within convenient driving distance in your area and at least some of them will shoot TFCD, especially if you pay travel costs. 

Contact some of them and see what shakes.

Also, attend Boyd's Birthday Bash at Collingwood Art Center in Toledo on July 29.  You'll meet models, primarily from Bowling Green, and photographers.  It's a chance to shoot with different models, meet others and chat/network with everyone attending.  The thread is https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=41183

If you haver any questions, ask me or write to Boyd, the man behind Visions of Excess  Studio.

And keep up the good work!

Tim Little Photography wrote:
Its one thing to pay top dollar for experience and talent, which you have a great deal of, and to pay top dollar from someone who is new and unproven. BTW, your port is awsome!
Tim

Thanks Tim, you are too sweet!

Art Schotz wrote:

Tiffin is not that far from me and you don't need to pay those rates.  Although you're probably a little too far east to draw models from Indiana (Ft. Wayne?), you are located a convenient distance from Michigan.  There must be at least 1000 models within convenient driving distance in your area and at least some of them will shoot TFCD, especially if you pay travel costs. 

Contact some of them and see what shakes.

Also, attend Boyd's Birthday Bash at Collingwood Art Center in Toledo on July 29.  You'll meet models, primarily from Bowling Green, and photographers.  It's a chance to shoot with different models, meet others and chat/network with everyone attending.  The thread is https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=41183

If you haver any questions, ask me or write to Boyd, the man behind Visions of Excess  Studio.

And keep up the good work!

Thanks. I will be at the shoot on the 29th and have been booked for all but about 2 hours. I am looking forward to it.

Thank you for all that have responde. I appreciate your comments.

Philip Hall wrote:
I am not big on paying for my and or her portfolio work.  But I don't have a problem with providing CD with twenty or so sucessful shots that I will maximize in photoshop, and a print or two.  If expences were involved and I really liked the look I would pay for them.

With the price of gas and if there is a model that interests me, I have no problem helping with gas money which I am currently doing for some TFP.

Jason Bostic wrote:
I've also been troubled with some of the models here in Ohio, don't feel bad.  I will NOT pay that kind of money for just casual photos, there are enough people out there dying to get casual photos done TFP/TFCD that you can pack your portfolio full.  For the money she is wanting do some searching on here and OMP in the NE Ohio (Cleveland, Akron, Canton) area to see what you can find.  I am paying for an upcoming shoot $50.00/hr with a model that has a resume a mile long in promotional ads, magazines, tearsheets, and other prints.  That shoot will be everything from fitness, to swimwear, to lingerie and well worth it. 

Typically if I am bringing them in for the TFP/CD shoot we meet about an hour before the shooting starts, I have refreshments there at the venue, we do the shoot, we pick up and I pick up dinner or lunch somewhere while we review some of the shots.  Its inexpensive but a nice gesture. Models need to realize your expenses too.

I'm telling you... hire me... no more problems in Ohio

Photoman754 wrote:
A model with 'some experience' wants to do a shoot with me for 3 hours. She wants $200 that includes $50 for travel expenses, a CD, and some prints. Casual attire so it is not like swimsuit or lingerie or anything like that.

I'm rather new here and I know this thread has been discussed before but is that what I will need to expect to get models?

I don't think my work is that bad to need to pay that much of money, time and effort to get someone that likes to model to do a shoot with me?

In a major market like Houston, there are plenty of newer (and experienced) models that will shoot TFCD up to swimsuit level, even if you are an obvious beginner. You would prove P.T. Barnum right by agreeing to such terms!

Other markets may differ, and such terms may be more in line.

Cristal Steverson wrote:
If I shot 300 images... and I am sure everyone is going to jump on me for this... I like to have all the images... unedited.... edit what you like... and I'll take those too... I edit (or not) most of my images myself (trust me, I'm a doctor ) but I TFCD very very very very very rarely so I dont have to go over this very often.

Since Cristal expects to be jumped on I'll happily oblige.    Sorry Cristal, couldn't resist.

I understand your position here completely, but as a photographer who is trying to build an image and reputation this would be an unworkable arrangement for me.  For starters, I would never put an image out into the general public that I wasn't completely happy with.  Chances are that I'm not going to be happy with every image that was shot, and in truth I'd only likely find 15-20 images out of 300 that I felt were worth using.  I would always, however, be willing to sit down with the modes(s) and pick out a few images that they perhaps like more than I do, or shots that benefit their portfolio more than those that I pick.  In TFP, the idea is that both parties walk away with something of value.

Then, I want to make sure that each worthwhile shot is put through post production to improve it to the greatest degree possible.  Again, it's the photographer's image that is tarnished most by a poor image.  I've heard it said many times "Great model...crappy lighting."  I'd prefer to avoid that comment with my images.

As far as editting my images goes, we would have a problem there.  It's illegal to do so without the photographer's permission (since he owns the copyright) and I'd be pretty displeased.  This point alone could highjack this thread, so please look at other recent threads on this topic if you wish to continue the debate.

Beautiful portolio Cristal....

Vito wrote:

Counter offer: $50 travel expenses, a CD and a coupon from Walmart for a print.
Tell her when she gets paid, she don't get no CD or prints.

I agree. If they want pictures then they're not just your model, they're also your client. You're trading pictures for time. I'd tell her to deal with it on the $50 bucks, too.

Carpe Imago Photography wrote:
Since Cristal expects to be jumped on I'll happily oblige.    Sorry Cristal, couldn't resist.

I understand your position here completely, but as a photographer who is trying to build an image and reputation this would be an unworkable arrangement for me.  For starters, I would never put an image out into the general public that I wasn't completely happy with.  Chances are that I'm not going to be happy with every image that was shot, and in truth I'd only likely find 15-20 images out of 300 that I felt were worth using.  I would always, however, be willing to sit down with the modes(s) and pick out a few images that they perhaps like more than I do, or shots that benefit their portfolio more than those that I pick.  In TFP, the idea is that both parties walk away with something of value.

Then, I want to make sure that each worthwhile shot is put through post production to improve it to the greatest degree possible.  Again, it's the photographer's image that is tarnished most by a poor image.  I've heard it said many times "Great model...crappy lighting."  I'd prefer to avoid that comment with my images.

As far as editting my images goes, we would have a problem there.  It's illegal to do so without the photographer's permission (since he owns the copyright) and I'd be pretty displeased.  This point alone could highjack this thread, so please look at other recent threads on this topic if you wish to continue the debate.

Beautiful portolio Cristal....

I feel you, and agree that most photogs will agree but like I said, I dont do many TFCDs anyways.  Obvious things like the light didnt pop or my eyes are closed, yes please delete but everything else...

But then again, everyone has their rules, and these are mine.  Love 'em or leave em. Deal with 'em or pay my rates.  I pay the cost to be the boss (well at least my boss).  If you missed my pimple, and I healing brush it, and you dont like it, sue me... for all my shoes!

And thanks for the compliment!  Imma hard worker!