Teresa Marez-Tatsch wrote:
I'm changing gears in a big way.  While I've been a figure model for many years, my goals are really changing.  Within the last year I have put serious time, money and energy into becoming a pro MUA.  I'm getting into The Aveda Institute's Cosmetology program in September and if I don't get in with the scholarship I'm competing for then I will of course be funding it with my own money along with financial aid, no doubt.  I guess my question is this:  Does having so much nudity mean that I may be taken less seriously by a more commercial audience?  I think I already know the answer to my own questions, but I'd like to get a general feeling from the kind people of MM.

Thanks alot!

Teresa

PS.  I do not intend to remove all of the nudity because I'm very proud of some of the peices I've participated in creating.

Well, you wouldn't typically use your modeling book as your MUA book anyway.
...and even on here, you could have (I'm pretty sure), both a modeling and MUA profile.

John

John Allan wrote:

Well, you wouldn't typically use your modeling book as your MUA book anyway.
...and even on here, you could have (I'm pretty sure), both a modeling and MUA profile.

John

John, this is true.  I'm thinking more of the association as my name would be involved in both.

Teresa Marez-Tatsch wrote:

John, this is true.  I'm thinking more of the association as my name would be involved in both.

Oh, I wouldn't give it much thought - you're nudity is pretty tame... and you'll ostensibly be working with industry people as an MUA also.... I kind of doubt a client would take the effort or have the opportunity to associate the project's MUA with a model that had some tasteful nudes in her port. Even if they did - can't imagine it mattering...

John

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
I cannot imagine how having modeled nude could have any effect at all on your future as an MUA.  I would think the modeling background would be a plus, if anything.

I have a lot of trouble understanding how modeling nude would have any effect at all on any career at all, unless it has to do with some fundamentalist religious organization, the U.S. military, or possibly television, where things are much more conservative than people think.

Show the work you are most proud of.

-Don

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
I cannot imagine how having modeled nude could have any effect at all on your future as an MUA.  I would think the modeling background would be a plus, if anything.

I have a lot of trouble understanding how modeling nude would have any effect at all on any career at all, unless it has to do with some fundamentalist religious organization, the U.S. military, or possibly television, where things are much more conservative than people think.

Show the work you are most proud of.

-Don

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
I cannot imagine how having modeled nude could have any effect at all on your future as an MUA.  I would think the modeling background would be a plus, if anything.

I have a lot of trouble understanding how modeling nude would have any effect at all on any career at all, unless it has to do with some fundamentalist religious organization, the U.S. military, or possibly television, where things are much more conservative than people think.

Show the work you are most proud of.

-Don

Caroline Ann Martin wrote:
I've been asking the same questions myself... Personally, I find nothing offensive about artistic nudes. (not pornography)  But in my personal situation, I've lost 225 lbs, am well known throughout the weight loss surgery community (I run several groups, am a public speaker on the topic, am now a personal trainer and am looking to publish a book and/or video on the topic of weight loss and exercise.)

I want to be remembered as the woman who lost 225 lbs and looks great - not as the woman who posed nude.

Still not sure whether I should do nudes or not.... (though again, for my own self, I find the curves of the human body very beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of, and yes, I am very proud of my body and how far I've come...)

Caroline

Carnie Wilson did & looked great 

Caroline Ann Martin wrote:
I want to be remembered as the woman who lost 225 lbs and looks great - not as the woman who posed nude.

And would you rather be known as the woman who followed her passions or the woman who lived her life based on fear of being judged?

Tim Hammond wrote:

And would you rather be known as the woman who followed her passions or the woman who lived her life based on fear of being judged?

Good point Tim!!!! And as I learned in one hard lesson, whether nude or not, some people will see my photos as though they were nude anyway.  (I've had some pretty intense feedback from men in the body building community based on completely clothed photos simply showing off my physique.)  So yes, part of it comes down to doing what I'M comfortable doing and what I enjoy!
Thanks for your input!
Caroline

SLE Photography wrote:

Carnie Wilson did & looked great 

Ahhh, but in none of her photos was she actually nude.  She wore a corset (sp?) in all the photos and there was no nudity at all... (I don't even think she had her nipples showing.) 

And just to add, this was also the same time when the media went crazy saying she'd gained 80+ lbs. (which she didn't, btw - I met her in person the day she did the Jay Leno show taping, and while she admitted to a 10 lb gain, that was all she could have gained at the most. She looked great - though her clothing wasn't flattering to her and did make her appear bigger that she was).

SLE Photography wrote:
Carnie Wilson did & looked great 

Caroline Ann Martin wrote:
Ahhh, but in none of her photos was she actually nude.  She wore a corset (sp?) in all the photos and there was no nudity at all... (I don't even think she had her nipples showing.) 

And just to add, this was also the same time when the media went crazy saying she'd gained 80+ lbs. (which she didn't, btw - I met her in person the day she did the Jay Leno show taping, and while she admitted to a 10 lb gain, that was all she could have gained at the most. She looked great - though her clothing wasn't flattering to her and did make her appear bigger that she was).

Incorrect.  She kept a BELOW BUST corset on to cover her scars & some loose skin.  She posed topless AND bottomless above & below the corset.
In some photos she's not wearing the corset at all & has some other item covering the scar areas.  There's a very faint scar around her aereolae where she had her breasts lifted.
Non-corset full frontal nude:
http://www.hogrockcafe.com/Carnie%20Wilson%20Nude.jpg
Corset nude w/nifty sleeves:
http://www.hogrockcafe.com/Carnie%20Wil … de%202.jpg
different corset nude:
http://www.hogrockcafe.com/Carnie%20Wil … de%204.jpg
standing full frontal in the purple corset:
http://www.hogrockcafe.com/Carnie%20Wil … de%201.jpg

Teresa Marez-Tatsch wrote:
I'm changing gears in a big way.  While I've been a figure model for many years, my goals are really changing.  Within the last year I have put serious time, money and energy into becoming a pro MUA.  I'm getting into The Aveda Institute's Cosmetology program in September and if I don't get in with the scholarship I'm competing for then I will of course be funding it with my own money along with financial aid, no doubt.  I guess my question is this:  Does having so much nudity mean that I may be taken less seriously by a more commercial audience?  I think I already know the answer to my own questions, but I'd like to get a general feeling from the kind people of MM.

Thanks alot!

Teresa

PS.  I do not intend to remove all of the nudity because I'm very proud of some of the peices I've participated in creating.

It's really quite simple - have two separate portfolios/profiles: one as makeup artist and one as an art model.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Treagen Kier wrote:
nudity-commercial


2 different directions, 2 diff markets.

one won't effect the next "usually"

which pays more on a regular basis?

I have yet to get far enough into my makeup to tell you.  I charge minimal rates right now so that I can get practice on as many people as possible, and enough to keep my box adequately replenished.  This will change as I become more experienced and also as I finish my schooling.

It's kinda hard to compare the income for less than a year of makeup artistry to 11 years of modeling experience.  I predict that the makeup will surpass the modeling as I become more skilled.  Let's face it.  I'm not getting any younger. 

JAY carreon wrote:

It's really quite simple - have two separate portfolios/profiles: one as makeup artist and one as an art model.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Most definately.  That would be an obvious thing to do.  My concern is that commercial clients may have some preconcieved notions about nude modeling that may not be in my favor.  The community I live in is pretty small and while its a pretty large city they have a pretty small town mentality.

Caroline Ann Martin wrote:
I've been asking the same questions myself... Personally, I find nothing offensive about artistic nudes. (not pornography)  But in my personal situation, I've lost 225 lbs, am well known throughout the weight loss surgery community (I run several groups, am a public speaker on the topic, am now a personal trainer and am looking to publish a book and/or video on the topic of weight loss and exercise.)

I want to be remembered as the woman who lost 225 lbs and looks great - not as the woman who posed nude.

Still not sure whether I should do nudes or not.... (though again, for my own self, I find the curves of the human body very beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of, and yes, I am very proud of my body and how far I've come...)

Caroline

Congradulations!  I can't imagine what that feels like!  It must be amazing.  Thank you for your support.

T.

nrvphotography wrote:
You have a right to be proud; it is so creative and very well done!

Thank you.

Teresa Marez-Tatsch wrote:
I'm changing gears in a big way.  While I've been a figure model for many years, my goals are really changing.  Within the last year I have put serious time, money and energy into becoming a pro MUA.  I'm getting into The Aveda Institute's Cosmetology program in September and if I don't get in with the scholarship I'm competing for then I will of course be funding it with my own money along with financial aid, no doubt.  I guess my question is this:  Does having so much nudity mean that I may be taken less seriously by a more commercial audience?  I think I already know the answer to my own questions, but I'd like to get a general feeling from the kind people of MM.

Thanks alot!

Teresa


I think you need to have a range /variety of shots and styles...

PS.  I do not intend to remove all of the nudity because I'm very proud of some of the peices I've participated in creating.

Teresa Marez-Tatsch wrote:

Most definately.  That would be an obvious thing to do.  My concern is that commercial clients may have some preconcieved notions about nude modeling that may not be in my favor.  The community I live in is pretty small and while its a pretty large city they have a pretty small town mentality.

When I say "establish separate profiles" I do mean establish separate identities between the makeup artist and the art model.  You wouldn't necessarily market yourself as a makeup artist to the same people who you shoot nudes with and vice versa, would you?

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

modaphoto wrote:
Look at it this way in all you do.

If an angel from heaven came down to visit you, and asked to see your portfolio
what would you want in it?

Ok and if you dont believe in angels then change it to your mom or grandmother.

And there you have the answer to what you should do.

Well, I've always told myself that I'd never do anything that my mother wouldn't approve of.  I come from a pretty liberated and supportive family.  While I think that we are moral, our believes are not based on the whole Heaven or Hell thing.  I grew up believing that we are all here to learn lessons in life.  Those lessons are shown to us everyday, and the more true we are to ourselves the closer we become to God.  Without getting into the whole theological discussions about sinners and saints, I just want to remind you that we all have different beliefs.  I think that God rejoices in the diversity of those whom he created.  I believe that my intentions in life are good and that makes me a good person.  Regardless of whether or not I've got clothes on.

T.

Dominick-Destruction wrote:
I wouldn't. There is no need to after all, so why change or compromise even?
Your work is very good, As most have said yu wouldn't use the images for your MUA portfolio anyhoo... I think it's a HUGE plus to have been a model if yu are now persuing the MUA path. All the best of luck to yu hon.

xDDx

Thank you so much!