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Photographer

TMShots Photo

Posts: 43

MCMINNVILLE, Oregon, US

I just saw a picture that was quickly taken down after a complaint to the model on another site that made me ill!!  This model, female, 17 had a topless, back to the camera shot up and she didnt think it was an implied.  Now I know there are some of you that wont see anything wrong with this, You'll make yourself known as you comment to my rant.  But as it is, it is illeagal and rightfully so!  It is wrong and discusting.  I can not believe that there would be a photographer that would do such a thing and makes me just sick!! So what was the female models comment? Oh I'll be 18 in 14 days and I'll just put it up then.  IT WONT MATTER!!! IT WAS STILL TAKEN AS A MINOR!!!  So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???  Go ahead, make yourself known.  I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

Jun 26 06 07:22 pm Link

Model

Ana Paula

Posts: 61

That is not news! 16 and 17 year old shoot topless all the time in the fashion industry. Why are you so socked?

Jun 26 06 07:24 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

It's not illegal, but it isn't something we allow on this site because so many people mistakenly assume it's illegal and throw a big, hairy fit and we're too lazy to deal with your big, hairy fits.

theda,
MM MOD

And yes, this action is okay, artistic and you're making too big a deal out of it. Frankly, it's tiring reading all these woefully misinformed rants on underaged not-quite nudity.

Jun 26 06 07:24 pm Link

Photographer

TMShots Photo

Posts: 43

MCMINNVILLE, Oregon, US

theda wrote:
It's not illegal, but it isn't something we allow on this site because so many people mistakenly assume it's illegal and throw a big, hairy fit and we're too lazy to deal with your big, hairy fits.

theda,
MM MOD

Oregon statute makes it illegal in this state.  So yes, if the model is from here and she is doing it, it is

Jun 26 06 07:26 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
Oregon statute makes it illegal in this state.  So yes, if the model is from here and she is doing it, it is

Please cite that statute. I very seriously doubt that is the case.

Jun 26 06 07:27 pm Link

Photographer

Robert Randall

Posts: 13890

Chicago, Illinois, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
I just saw a picture that was quickly taken down after a complaint to the model on another site that made me ill!!  This model, female, 17 had a topless, back to the camera shot up and she didnt think it was an implied.  Now I know there are some of you that wont see anything wrong with this, You'll make yourself known as you comment to my rant.  But as it is, it is illeagal and rightfully so!  It is wrong and discusting.  I can not believe that there would be a photographer that would do such a thing and makes me just sick!! So what was the female models comment? Oh I'll be 18 in 14 days and I'll just put it up then.  IT WONT MATTER!!! IT WAS STILL TAKEN AS A MINOR!!!  So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???  Go ahead, make yourself known.  I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

Sure it's OK, what are some kind of prude. I bet you go to church and eat from clean plates. Did you brush your teeth this morning? What about your underwear, you never know if you're going to wind up in the emergency room and you need clean underwear or you might get laughed at. Did you use Tide or those funny little blue spuds that look like giant aspirin. What ever happened to those any how? Used to see them on grocery store shelves all over the country, but like everything seems to change when you least expect it to.

Jun 26 06 07:28 pm Link

Photographer

FKVPhotography

Posts: 30064

Ocala, Florida, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

Methinks...doth protest loudly....almost too loudly!.....I've seen more revealing minors on TV.....a back!!!.....next is a leg, a foot, a barehand....yes, you're right where does it stop!!

Jun 26 06 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
But as it is, it is illeagal and rightfully so!
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So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???

It is not illegal, it is ok it is artistic and you're making much too big a deal about nothing.

See the following:

http://www.kochgallery.com/artists/cont … y/Sturges/

Jun 26 06 07:39 pm Link

Photographer

Robert Randall

Posts: 13890

Chicago, Illinois, US

theda wrote:

Please cite that statute. I very seriously doubt that is the case.

I smell a run in with TX over this one, sharpen your pecils everyone.

Jun 26 06 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

ellusions photography

Posts: 56

Riverside, California, US

I agree with Giuliana. don't be so shocked to know that it happens all over. It seems to be it be best you stay in the confines of your state so it makes life easier for everyone else. This country is somewhat hypocritical when it comes to these things especially when it comes to underage drinking and what have you.
It would be great if people would spend their energy on those things that really hampers today's youth as opposed to someone who is just modeling.
My point is, don't bark before you bite. Find out what is right and wrong in your own backyard before attacking someone when you have no clue of their lifestyle.

Jun 26 06 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

Robert Randall

Posts: 13890

Chicago, Illinois, US

Gilbert Echeverria wrote:
I agree with Giuliana. don't be so shocked to know that it happens all over. It seems to be it be best you stay in the confines of your state so it makes life easier for everyone else. This country is somewhat hypocritical when it comes to these things especially when it comes to underage drinking and what have you.
It would be great if people would spend their energy on those things that really hampers today's youth as opposed to someone who is just modeling.
My point is, don't bark before you bite. Find out what is right and wrong in your own backyard before attacking someone when you have no clue of their lifestyle.

What did you say?

Jun 26 06 07:43 pm Link

Photographer

ellusions photography

Posts: 56

Riverside, California, US

Bob
in simple terms
mind your own business and move on.
get it !

Jun 26 06 07:46 pm Link

Photographer

Vito

Posts: 4582

Brooklyn, New York, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
Oh I'll be 18 in 14 days and I'll just put it up then.  IT WONT MATTER!!! IT WAS STILL TAKEN AS A MINOR!!!  So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???  Go ahead, make yourself known.  I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

Everyone with any knowledge of the statutes would say it's legal. And when she does turn 18, she can repost the photos and they will be even more legal smile  Ask Tracy Lords.

But seriously, there is no statute in any state that prohibits even full nudes of any age, as long as they are not lavacious (sexually explicit or suggestive). We here all went thru this where nobody was able to produce a statute saying otherwise. It is common in the fashion/commercial world for 15-17 year old models in this style.

Jun 26 06 07:48 pm Link

Model

Erin Blair

Posts: 134

Hampton, Virginia, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
I just saw a picture that was quickly taken down after a complaint to the model on another site that made me ill!!  This model, female, 17 had a topless, back to the camera shot up and she didnt think it was an implied.  Now I know there are some of you that wont see anything wrong with this, You'll make yourself known as you comment to my rant.  But as it is, it is illeagal and rightfully so!  It is wrong and discusting.  I can not believe that there would be a photographer that would do such a thing and makes me just sick!! So what was the female models comment? Oh I'll be 18 in 14 days and I'll just put it up then.  IT WONT MATTER!!! IT WAS STILL TAKEN AS A MINOR!!!  So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???  Go ahead, make yourself known.  I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

Have you looked at any fashion magazines lately?  Most of those models are underage and do implied nudity all the time.  Besides, it was just her back, if you photoshopped out the strings of a bikini top, you would have the same thing.

Jun 26 06 07:51 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28735

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Just curious. If the legal age were 16, would you shoot it then? Would it still be "sick"? Or have you just been groomed to accept 18 as the cut-off?

Jun 26 06 07:53 pm Link

Photographer

Israel Kendall

Posts: 641

Trenton, North Carolina, US

Nude, or implied nude, neither are illegal regardless of age. I see no problem with this type of shot.

Jun 26 06 07:57 pm Link

Photographer

Bruce Talbot

Posts: 3850

Los Angeles, California, US

OP - Next time you fly, help yourself to that little bag in the seat pocket in front of you.

You'll feel better and tend not to annoy any of us who think otherwise.

bt

Jun 26 06 07:57 pm Link

Photographer

Dudley Watson

Posts: 1737

Roseburg, Oregon, US

theda wrote:

Please cite that statute. I very seriously doubt that is the case.

Hey, I'm from Oregon, and have never heard of this activity being 'illegal'.
Now, every so often the bible thumping conservatives try to pass legislation through state initiatives to 'tighten the loose pornographic laws' in Oregon.  They love to claim that 'Oregon has more liberal laws than Federal statutes'.
So, lets ask the question: If a photo is taken of a bare back, how do we know the model is "under age"?
TM, care to give your last name also??  Anyway, your on very shaky ground.  I and others would like to see you back up your words.

Jun 26 06 07:59 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45344

San Juan Bautista, California, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
I just saw a picture that was quickly taken down after a complaint to the model on another site that made me ill!!  This model, female, 17 had a topless, back to the camera shot up and she didnt think it was an implied.  Now I know there are some of you that wont see anything wrong with this, You'll make yourself known as you comment to my rant.  But as it is, it is illeagal and rightfully so!  It is wrong and discusting.  I can not believe that there would be a photographer that would do such a thing and makes me just sick!! So what was the female models comment? Oh I'll be 18 in 14 days and I'll just put it up then.  IT WONT MATTER!!! IT WAS STILL TAKEN AS A MINOR!!!  So where will it stop? implieds with 16? 15?  Is this where our profession is heading???  Go ahead, make yourself known.  I just dare someone to comment saying this action is ok, artistic and I'm making too much out of nothing.

It's NOT illegal for a 17 year old to do an implied.  Being "disgusted" by it is only an opinion.

Jun 26 06 08:06 pm Link

Photographer

Israel Kendall

Posts: 641

Trenton, North Carolina, US

theda wrote:

Please cite that statute. I very seriously doubt that is the case.

Now that you've said this, you'll never hear from him again....

Jun 26 06 08:07 pm Link

Photographer

Virtue Photography

Posts: 29

Torrance, California, US

does anyone remember Jessica Biels picture spread when she was 17 ?

Jun 26 06 08:12 pm Link

Photographer

Cyberhawk Studios

Posts: 387

Mount Vernon, Washington, US

Um...that same model has a photo with clear erect nipples in her port. Which was is more explicit? I don't think there was anything wrong with the one that was removed. Granted, I would not have taken it, just because I don't need the hassle of proving my innocence, but most fashion mags are far more revealing.

Jun 26 06 08:14 pm Link

Photographer

500 Gigs of Desire

Posts: 3833

New York, New York, US

Models should only be photographed if wearing long pants and turtlenecks, and should all be over 25.

Jun 26 06 08:15 pm Link

Photographer

TrueBeauty

Posts: 45

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

There are greater pornographic things happening in our (and your) own backyard...Homelessness, poverty, abandonment of our seniors, Enron, etc., etc. We all know what the 'etc.' are. A young woman with a bare back is the LEAST obscene thing I can think of.

Just for the record...the biggest sexual organ in a human being is their brain. If you equate what you posted with obscenity then I think you'd be one to find pornography everywhere.

Jun 26 06 08:16 pm Link

Model

daxito

Posts: 21

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Vito wrote:
But seriously, there is no statute in any state that prohibits even full nudes of any age, as long as they are not lavacious (sexually explicit or suggestive). We here all went thru this where nobody was able to produce a statute saying otherwise. It is common in the fashion/commercial world for 15-17 year old models in this style.

What he said !

Jun 26 06 08:20 pm Link

Photographer

Vito

Posts: 4582

Brooklyn, New York, US

Cyberhawk Studios wrote:
Um...that same model has a photo with clear erect nipples in her port. Which was is more explicit? I don't think there was anything wrong with the one that was removed. Granted, I would not have taken it, just because I don't need the hassle of proving my innocence, but most fashion mags are far more revealing.

Um...how do you know what model it is? He never said it here.

Jun 26 06 08:20 pm Link

Photographer

Billy Pegram

Posts: 261

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

NC-17...how funny.  They can view all the sexual activity and gore...the films can throw at us... but artistic is dirty

Jun 26 06 08:20 pm Link

Model

daxito

Posts: 21

Miami Beach, Florida, US

John Jebbia wrote:
Just curious. If the legal age were 16, would you shoot it then? Would it still be "sick"? Or have you just been groomed to accept 18 as the cut-off?

What he said also...

( although in my personal opinion i think the 'cut-off' should be 21 for any nudes, just my opinion )

Jun 26 06 08:22 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
I smell a run in with TX over this one, sharpen your pecils everyone.

No, I've been down that road already, and I know where it leads.  Some ignorant person comes on the forum with a holier-than-thou rant, claims something that is perfectly legal is not, and is challenged to prove it.

At that point, one of two things happens:  he either gets belligerant and vague, or he exits from the conversation.  Neither of those shed any actual light on anything, his opinion is never changed, and he refuses to confront his ignorance and actually learn anything.

Been there, done that, wore out the T-shirt.  And besides, everyone else is doing so well this time, I can afford to keep my pencils in reserve smile

Jun 26 06 08:24 pm Link

Photographer

Kalle Mustonen

Posts: 148

Helsinki, Uusimaa, Finland

Come to Finland! We are all together naked here from the age 0 all the way up to 120 years! Well, at least when in Sauna... wink

But seriously... as said here earlier... doing porn is illegal under 18. Nudity isn't porn! Everyone, everywhere does it! (Well, except in those countries, in where women can't even show their bare legs or bare arms outside their homes. I hope we are not in there yet? Nope, we aren't.)

Jun 26 06 08:25 pm Link

Photographer

Ray Savage

Posts: 926

Encinitas, California, US

TMShots Photo wrote:
I just saw a picture that was quickly taken down after a complaint to the model on another site that made me ill!!  This model, female, 17 had a topless, back to the camera shot .

Is it just me....or has MM been invaded by do-gooders trying to save the world lately?

WTF?

Excuse me?....it was her BACK!  I wouldn't personally do such a shot with anyone under 18, but geez.....grow up, people.

R

Jun 26 06 08:39 pm Link

Photographer

Timeless Photos

Posts: 305

Peterborough, New Hampshire, US

Well I for one saw the image.  She simply had her back to the camera with her bikini bottoms on and her bikini top presumeably removed. Nothing was even close to showing anywhere. Had she tied a string around her rib cage, with the bow at the back you would not have even known any different.

For all we know, the bikini top was still on as her hair was covering any potential neck strap. Her back string could simply have been moved to the front, similar to countless sunbathers on the beach.

For what it is worth, she has some other very nice images in her portfolio and her whole collection shows a very good balance.

Jun 26 06 08:50 pm Link

Photographer

Silly Camera Man

Posts: 984

Atlanta, Georgia, US

How sad! I veiwed this same image and have been chatting with the model in question for several years. Disgusting? you bet it is!

Its disgusting that a young woman who has been hard at work on her chosen career for a good portion of her life already, someone who takes pride in the hard work she obviously puts into her shoots to be subjected to such redicule! That shot was tastefull, beautifully done and something that she posted non doudt because she was proud of it.

The photographer did a wonderful job on the image, the model, i'm looking forward to shooting myself in just a few months and i hope to be able to create work with her just as good!

  In case the model in question reads this, worry not, you're a well liked and respected person in this little community of ours! If some huge sin was committed on your part, then i'm offering myself to burn in hell forever in your place, LOL! Best of luck to ya and dont forget, there be freid oysters waiting for you!

Jun 26 06 09:31 pm Link

Photographer

W__

Posts: 170

Bloomfield, Connecticut, US

Right now OMP has a minor with a bad picture. The way it is being handled it really looks like a sting between law enforcement and OMP.

It may not be. It may be. If it is good. Too many pervs taking advantage of minors. If it is not then child protective services should be called.

In this day and age everyone should be cautious of posting images of minor that are on the line. Release or parents are no safety guard.

-Beebe

Jun 26 06 11:40 pm Link

Photographer

DAntony

Posts: 95

Pasadena, California, US

Makes me think a few years back when Brooke Shields was just a mere pre teen and how she starred in "The Blue Lagoon " and "Pretty Baby" for all the USA and ...GULP, world to see! Acting  in semi nude scenes and being portrayed  in a house of ill repute! It blew over. Made her more of star and most people have forgotten about it ! I'm having another glass of wine! Is there something else more interesting and pertinent to talk about?

Jun 26 06 11:48 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

The defination of "implied" is emotionally loaded. I've had people snort down their nose at me with some lame excuse like "yeah, but she was nude in the photo, even if you can't see anything, so that's nude.

I personally think it's not proper or in good taste to shoot children in sexy or suggestive poses. But hey, that's just me.

People become mature and emancipated adults at various ages. It's more a matter of emotional and character maturity than anything. Legal is only for legal. Legal does not fit too close with what's right or wrong.

For most people, adulthood happens around 20, sometimes earlier, and sometimes  later. Some people never mature. Some people are mature at any age. Most people start having sex when they are 15 or 16 now.

So what?

I personally find busybodies who rant and poke their nose into other peoples personal affairs to be offensive.

So what?

If someone pokes their nose too far over MY fence, I'll cut it off.

Jun 27 06 12:39 am Link

Photographer

A Fine Fiction

Posts: 331

El Paso, Texas, US

Wasn't Thora Birch 17 in 'American Beauty?'

Jun 27 06 01:11 am Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

DAntony wrote:
Makes me think a few years back when Brooke Shields was just a mere pre teen and how she starred in "The Blue Lagoon "

Bad example. She had a body double.

Jun 27 06 01:25 am Link

Photographer

aesthetix photo

Posts: 10558

Macon, Georgia, US

Christopher Ambler wrote:

Bad example. She had a body double.

Milla Jovovich didn't use a body double in the sequel.  She was 15 when filming began.

Jun 27 06 01:32 am Link

Model

SarahSvetlana

Posts: 46

Goleta, California, US

everybodys talkin all this stuff about me..why cant they let me live? thats my prerogative...hehe

Jun 27 06 01:38 am Link