Posted by Jack D Trute: 
And move over,   I play God around here.

What Jack? You mean your poop don't stink?  Well, I still don't wanna step in it!  LOL

Posted by XtremeArtists: 
This Bey cat is too sensitive.

Cat?  where where?  Don't tell Jack! He might chase after it! 

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
If you have a tear in British Vogue but everything else is terrible then who are you going to show it to? 

I'd show it to the people at Italian Vogue, because they'd probably understand the decision to print my photo.  If it's good enough for Nicole Frankel, it's good enough for me.  For now.

Posted by Patrick Walberg: 

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
And move over,   I play God around here.

What Jack? You mean your poop don't stink?  Well, I still don't wanna step in it!  LOL

Posted by XtremeArtists: 
This Bey cat is too sensitive.

Cat?  where where?  Don't tell Jack! He might chase after it!   

Sure my poop has an aroma.  That is how you attract the ladies.
And who doesn't love to chase a pussy now and then.

Posted by Mary: 
A tear sheet  is usually worthless to me.  UNLESS.... The photographer is great, the model is great, the magazine is good quality etc.
......

.......models with lots of makeup and hooker shoes are not going in my book.    You can pay me to do it but I sure wouldn't do it for the tear. 

Wow,  look,  look,  an intelligent human.

True taste as seldom is the critic's share;
Both must alike form Heaven derive their light,
These born to judge, as well as those to write.
Let shuch teach others who themselves excel,
And censure freely who have written well,
Authors are partial to their wit,  tis true
But are not critics to their judgement too?

More from the Poope guy.

Posted by Jack D Trute: 

" But if the client gets a model who is a dog and you have to shoot in a closet with a bad tacky outfit then maybe even that shot in British Vogue is not something you might want to show.

Nope Mr. God...er, Dog spelled backwards...The quality of the publication IS the important matter.  Why on Earth would British Vogue lower itself just to show a mutt?  They wouldn't, and those putting their paws on the publication would expect nothing but the best quality...as that is their reputation.  That reputation becomes the Quality of the tear sheet, every bit as important as the money.

British Vogue would make a statement far beyond Kibble Monthly and to think it wouldn't is barking up the wrong tree.

Posted by area291:
Nope Mr. God...er, Dog spelled backwards...The quality of the publication IS the important matter.  Why on Earth would British Vogue lower itself just to show a mutt?  They wouldn't, and those putting their paws on the publication would expect nothing but the best quality...as that is their reputation.

British Vogue would make a statement far beyond Kibble Monthly and to think it wouldn't is barking up the wrong tree.

Cash money.  Duh.

British Vogue? Give me the tear.

Some college kid's glorified zine? I'll take the $200. (This is what I would consider a "terrible tear".)

Actually, he can keep the $200 and I'll just go get a better job.

- T

Posted by tdrmaquillage: 
Please and thank you.

British Vogue? Give me the tear.

Some college kid's glorified zine? I'll take the $200. (This is what I would consider a "terrible tear".)

Actually, he can keep the $200 and I'll just go get a better job.

- T

EXACTLY.  $200.00 isn't enough,  I want 3 times that amount and a guarantee in writing that my name will not be found in the magazine. 

Posted by Jack D Trute: 

If Jack takes a screen capture, he will have a tear. Wouldn't $200 bucks be better?

Posted by XtremeArtists: 
If Jack takes a screen capture, he will have a tear. Wouldn't $200 bucks be better?

Ding,  Ding,  Ding,
I did not know you had it in you.   Or did Mary tell you to say that so that it would just seem like you have a brain?

Woow boy,  I have a MM tear.   Just watch the cash roll in.

Posted by Jack D Trute: 

Posted by XtremeArtists: 
If Jack takes a screen capture, he will have a tear. Wouldn't $200 bucks be better?

I did not know you had it in you.   Or did Mary tell you to say that so that it would just seem like you have a brain?

I've been reading her posts and learning while I steal emoticons....

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
At least i'm not bilking girls out of their money, taking cheap porn pics of them, putting them on a paysite and telling them they're going to be stars.

Is that your Plan B?

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
Everyone done with the pot shots? Good. Here's a few facts...

Monsante Bey,

The answers are not about YOU,  it is about the issues you brought up.
How many times do we need to tell you that?

(About the issues?  well except for my attempts at a MM tear sheet.)

Posted by Monsante Bey:  As far as "terrible tears," Look at my work, does it LOOK like I would produce a terrible tear?

hmmmm...are you really sure, you want to ask for a critique?..
i know i would never say something like this in this croud...

Posted by Patrick Walberg: 

Posted by RStephenT: 

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
You know what, i'm a go back to that slam Theda and Jack did about my work, because I had to breathe for a minute before I got banned.


You want to slam my work? Well take this into consideration.

Both of your profiles lack creativity.

I've been in print SEVERAL times.

Just based off my camera alone, I have lived in a 2,600 sq ft loft at $1,700 a month not counting utilities and incidentals, paid for my Explorer within 6 months  and WASN'T scraping by before I put myself in hiatus due to personal reasons. Hell I BARELY left the joint to do ANYTHING. I had Falcons, Hawks players, cheerleaders, personell people, etc... All coming through to my parties or just to hang out and shoot pool and play video games. You don't know me.

I was befriended by the best and the envy of a lot of photogs in my circle back then who are doing big and exciting things now because I pushed them to do those things.

Of course, you two wouldn't know this because you're just in your closed little boxes thinking you know everything. Playing "Neal and Bob" to each other.

So the next time you think about running your mouth about someone like you're the utmost authority, just shut up.

Maybe I am missing something, but is there EVER, EVER a reason to go on about what you make, how cool you are etc. and etc...   Is this the kind of impression you want to give other MM members... and Theda is right(God I hate to admit that) but I have seen way better work... are you serious?  Don't Answer... just go away.

What? Huh? Someone thinks they are cooler than the rest of us?  Hummm ... well I know what it's like to be dead ... it don't get any colder than that! LOL

....


....


....

That is until they get the shovels out and start burying me!


Jack, stop your digging! 

Patrick I'm with you.  The party life and a bunch of crap doesn't makeone cool. Beside cool is only three letters away from fool.  I think I have got it made because I am happly married for 14 years, have 2 wonderful little girl, a 1920 house in the country that is killing me, and it's taking me years to pay of my subaru that I put half down.  And the best party I threw this year involved tubing down a river and a blue grass band with the little ones dancing in the yard until the witching hour.

But get back on thread..

Tear sheet is great if it can get you the kind work you are looking for.  Money pays the bills.  Dude, the way you talk about models, you make them all sound like material hoes with the brains of a Barbie doll. Dang man, proffessionals haven't talked like that since the term "pin money" went out of fashion.

As for quality of photography I will not rag your work. I'll just say "all that sells is not art, and good art doesn't always sell.  but I can't make good photo without some money (or feed the little ones).

Posted by theda: 
Wow.

I really don't think this question is about the actual physical tearsheet verus $200. I think it's about being published OR being paid.  Only the most brain dead would rather have a $5 dollar magaizne than a $200 check. Only the second most brain dead would question that.

I hope...

This isn't about a black vs. white market. It's about the stature of the magazine. The only color that counts here is green, right?

Pionts taken and conceeded.  Most I agree, but I would add that I do this kind of work because I love doing it. 

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
Everyone done with the pot shots? Good. Here's a few facts...


If you don't know anything about the mag, don't talk bad about it, because you only sound like an idiot.

Black Mens, Smooth, and mags of that nature for the most part don't pay the models a red cent for their shoots. They're lucky to even get a hotel room and a plane ticket. But models flock to their mags in droves. Why? Exposure and tears, which have landed them paying jobs because the right people are indeed watching.

So obviously we're talking about 2 different markets, the black market and the white market. Plain and simple. You don't like it? Too effin bad, that's just the way it is.

Lastly, you again missed the point when I talked about my Atlanta lifestyle. It wasn't to say "look how cool I am," the emphasis was that if I was living like that off my camera, obviously I was doing something right.... GWC??? HAHAHA!!!I'll be that. At least i'm not bilking girls out of their money, taking cheap porn pics of them, putting them on a paysite and telling them they're going to be stars. lol

Now, carry on.

I never noticed that you even mentioned a magazine, I was making my comments very general...answering the questions at hand.  Now that you mentioned magazines I can honestly tell you, no, you would have to pay me my full rate to work for them...reason, I have never heard of them and they don't sound like they would provide tears I could use...has nothing to do with the "black market" it has to do with the quality of tear, the quality of photography, the quality of model and the quality of the magazine...also what is the distribution?  demographic?  who purchases the magazine?  are they the kind of people with big business that could bring me future work?  does it distribute to Art Directors?

Can you post a photo you have published in that magazine?  that would give me a better idea of what kind of tear you are talking about, your question is way to general otherwise.

Posted by Mary: 


Can you post a photo you have published in that magazine?  that would give me a better idea of what kind of tear you are talking about, your question is way to general otherwise.

My section hasn't come out yet, should be next month if not September. I have to check on that. When it does, i'll drop a scan or two in my port.

Yo Mz. Mary  I feel you about your rates. You got all the rights to be as selective as you are  BUT have to check you about the diss you given Teaze magazine  if it is the same one i get. The one I get has the glam models  but it has
articles and ads relating to the WHOLESALE BIZ of lingerie

Yeah you right it ain't that high class french silk shyt they peddle but hey we all can't be upscale some o us gots to be ghettoooooooo.

Posted by Mary: 

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
Everyone done with the pot shots? Good. Here's a few facts...


If you don't know anything about the mag, don't talk bad about it, because you only sound like an idiot.

Black Mens, Smooth, and mags of that nature for the most part don't pay the models a red cent for their shoots. They're lucky to even get a hotel room and a plane ticket. But models flock to their mags in droves. Why? Exposure and tears, which have landed them paying jobs because the right people are indeed watching.

So obviously we're talking about 2 different markets, the black market and the white market. Plain and simple. You don't like it? Too effin bad, that's just the way it is.

Lastly, you again missed the point when I talked about my Atlanta lifestyle. It wasn't to say "look how cool I am," the emphasis was that if I was living like that off my camera, obviously I was doing something right.... GWC??? HAHAHA!!!I'll be that. At least i'm not bilking girls out of their money, taking cheap porn pics of them, putting them on a paysite and telling them they're going to be stars. lol

Now, carry on.

I never noticed that you even mentioned a magazine, I was making my comments very general...answering the questions at hand.  Now that you mentioned magazines I can honestly tell you, no, you would have to pay me my full rate to work for them...reason, I have never heard of them and they don't sound like they would provide tears I could use...has nothing to do with the "black market" it has to do with the quality of tear, the quality of photography, the quality of model and the quality of the magazine...also what is the distribution?  demographic?  who purchases the magazine?  are they the kind of people with big business that could bring me future work?  does it distribute to Art Directors?

Can you post a photo you have published in that magazine?  that would give me a better idea of what kind of tear you are talking about, your question is way to general otherwise.

Posted by Monsante Bey: 
You want to slam my work? Well take this into consideration.

Both of your profiles lack creativity.

I've been in print SEVERAL times.

Neither of which has anything to do with the quality of your work. It could be great; it could suck. Trying to justify it based on a personal attacks and having been in print is silly. (Bleep, I've been in print far more than SEVERAL times, and it doesn't make my work any better.)

Posted by Monsante Bey:
So the next time you think about running your mouth about someone like you're the utmost authority, just shut up.

Always good advice. Why aren't you taking it?

Posted by Monsante Bey:
Bottom line, stay on the topic and leave the personal attacks to the rookies, aight? I don't have time for that.

You had time to make them, though, didn't you? (See above.)

Posted by Kevin Connery: 
(Bleep, I've been in print far more than SEVERAL times, and it doesn't make my work any better.)

Just type "Damn," "Shit" or "Fuck." You confused me with "Bleep."

Posted by Brian Diaz: 

Posted by 00Philip00: 
You guys have got to quit,... I just blew slobber all over my monitor from laughter... (dribble)

Would you say that we have you in tears?   

Ahhh, GOOD one